baby-plains pics

[Anthon]

Here is a couple of pictures of my '07 radix :) She's 0.1.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3179/68147454uz4.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9517/kieliixv4.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5589/selkraitamy0.jpg

[Stefan-A]

Very nice pics. :) The snake looks great, I might have to consider getting a radix or two some day. ;)

[Sid]

Great photo and speciman. One that's high on my wish list.

[adamanteus]

You all already know how I feel about radix.....great pics.

[Odie]

:cool: snake man.

[drache]

very nice pics
and of course I love the radix

[zooplan]

There is no other forum with more pictures than this.
Thanks for sharing Anthon.
This makes this forum much more personal.

[Thamnophis]

Beautiful babies.

[Gijs & Sabine]

Great pictures and beautifull radix :)
I also love radix a lot.

[Snaky]

Very nice!

[Lulu Bennett]

wow! very nice pics you have there.

[anji1971]

So cute!! i just love 'em when they're tiny like that!

[zooplan]

It´s supprising to me every year again how small baby garters can be.
Even when I think those born last year are still quite small in comparrison to the breeders.

[Anthon]

yeah, she's such a lovely girl <3 and almost about 11 inches long already!

[Anthon]

She's quite a fat girl after eating a half pinky. ;)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7264/hirmuhxu1.jpg

[drache]

that's all it took to get her this tubby looking
she's looking even better than she did in early infancy

[Stefan-A]

Looking good. :)

Do you have any pictures of the enclosure?

[anji1971]

She certainly is growing up!! What a sweetie!!:):)

[mikm]

Very nice !! I may have to get me one of those too :)

Best,

[enigma200316]

Very nice looking snakes you have there Anthon!!!!!:)

[Anthon]

Do you have any pictures of the enclosure?

Here :)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9650/asumusrp6.jpg

[Snaky]

She looks good :)

What is the substrate you use?

[Anthon]

She looks good :)

What is the substrate you use?

It's just a.. Um.. what is it in english?! :D An economy wipe? :D:D

[drache]

It's just a.. Um.. what is it in english?! :D An economy wipe? :D:D

paper towel

[Anthon]

paper towel

All right. :D

Yeah it's just a paper towel.

[Stefan-A]

I see you use the same housing solution as I do. :) I have one of those and a homemade 22 litre glass terrarium. Just got two Geo Flat cages to replace both. Reduces the climbing opportunities a little, but not much. Anyway, it'll give the snakes a surface area 30% bigger than what the 21l Geo Maxi does.

[Anthon]

aftershedding. :cool:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/340/hirmuuuab9.jpg

[adamanteus]

Looking good, Anthon!:)

[CrazyHedgehog]

Here :)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9650/asumusrp6.jpg
watch these houses! I use them for quarentine and the pickeringi got out, pushed through the side of the lid I think!

[Anthon]

Ok, well she didn't escape. ;--D

Here's a couple of new pics (taken with my new phone, pretty good quality already, huh? ;)). She's about 60cm long now, and she might get a husband in September. ;o) (No, I wont put them together immediatly, she's still too little for breeding, I know.)

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/Adedaz/hirmu2.jpg


http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/Adedaz/hirmu.jpg
She lives like a queen now when she has moved to her new huge terrarium :D


http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/Adedaz/hirmuterra.jpg

And for those who understand finnish, that red sticker.. I just like to be dramatic :p

[adamanteus]

Wow, Anthon..... that's a nice looking radix now!

[Stefan-A]

She's beautiful. :) So is that terrarium.

[Anthon]

Ummm.. can you see all the three pictures?

[Stefan-A]

Two of the snake and one of the terrarium.

I've got a set of those stickers, too. :D

[Elliot]

Beautiful snake, she's really getting big!

[Lori P]

She's just gorgeous!!!!

[Garter_Gertie]

Isn't she the most darling little thing! Giving everyone the Peace sign! She's a happy little girl!

[anji1971]

She's grown up beautifully................very pretty snake!
Love the new terrarium, too. :)

[Snake lover 3-25]

very pretty!!! nice enclosure!!!! what size is it???:D

[Anthon]

very pretty!!! nice enclosure!!!! what size is it???:D

Umm, about 60 cm. I don't know her weight, but I let you know when I do. ;)

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol what about the BIG one!!!???:D:D:p

[Anthon]

Ok so now she's about 80cm long and she weights 110 grams :D I'm getting a male radix in September, do I dare to put it into same terrarium immediatly (well, after quarantine) now when I know there's no parasites in my reptiles or is the female too small for getting babies?

[crzy_kevo]

very nice radix i want to get one of them some day

[Stefan-A]

Ok so now she's about 80cm long and she weights 110 grams :D I'm getting a male radix in September, do I dare to put it into same terrarium immediatly (well, after quarantine) now when I know there's no parasites in my reptiles or is the female too small for getting babies?
I wouldn't put them together. At 80cm, the female is big enough alright, but the male may just be a little on the small side.

[Anthon]

Are you sure, because the male I'll get is -07 too? :)

[Stefan-A]

Okay, then it shouldn't be a problem. :D

[Anthon]

yay :) by the way when the parents are 100% het axanthic and 100% het red albino then what would the babies be? Possible hets but how and what per cent?

[Anthon]

Ok so all of them would be 25% poss.het. red albino, 25% poss. het axanthic?

I still have a question about housing them together. So i's ok to put them together afer a quarantine? Even though it's still an evening? Do their biological clocks know i's not the breeding time yet (even though they didn't hibernate last winter) - so my female won't get gravid and when it's time to hibernate, she would be having babies in her stomach and I wouldn't know that? :confused:

And oh. I've heard that at least with most of the banded/florida water snakes (nerodia fasciata ssp.) they often breed succesfully when their lights and warms are off for the winter, without cooling period you know. Would this work with (plains) garters, too?

[Stefan-A]

I won't comment on genetics questions. :D

It should be okay to introduce them after the quarantine period. If you want be sure about them not breeding until it's "breeding time", don't introduce them until it is. :) Keep them separated until the brumation is over.

According to what I've read, it can work. There's an article (by Johanna Raulio) in an old Herpetomania, in which it is mentioned that in addition to turning off the lights and shutting off the heat, you should also cover the front of the enclosure with a blanket or something similar. You can get a copy of the article from the library of The Herpetological Society of Finland.

[Anthon]

OK :D

By the way how long should the quarantine be, or is it even necessary, when the snake is coming from Thmnophis-Zucht so I'm 99,9% sure there's no problems?

[Stefan-A]

I'd recommend it, just in case. I wouldn't want to speculate on how long is long enough, you might want to search the forum.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Very nice pics. :) The snake looks great, I might have to consider getting a radix or two some day. ;)

Stefan is right, the snake looks wonderful.

Stefan, get some freaking radic already.... I went from 0 of them to 6 in the past year.... and they are wonderfulllll.

[Stefan-A]

Stefan, get some freaking radic already.... I went from 0 of them to 6 in the past year.... and they are wonderfulllll.
No.

Everybody has a freaking radix. The only garter you can get here is freaking radix.

[Anthon]

No.

Everybody has a freaking radix. The only garter you can get here is freaking radix.

That's quite true :D But here is still just a handful of garter guys compared to, for example, corn snakes.

And this year here was one hatch (he sold the mother?), and they were radix, right? Or at least the mom was radix, didn't see any pics of the dad and he didn't say the species in his advertisement. =P

[Anthon]

Oops, how can I remove this message?

[Stefan-A]

That's quite true :D But here is still just a handful of garter guys compared to, for example, corn snakes.

And this year here was one hatch (he sold the mother?), and they were radix, right? Or at least the mom was radix, didn't see any pics of the dad and he didn't say the species in his advertisement. =P
I talked to him when he was selling them. For a while there, I considered buying one. I talked to him about the species he had, asked him to post a picture and I identified the mother as a radix for him when he did.

That's the problem here, nobody knows what the hell they have. Every garter snake is just known as "garter snake" and those that try to give a scientific name always use "Thamnophis sirtalis", because that was for a long time the only scientific name you'd find on Finnish garter sites. That's the equivalent of calling every species within Pantherophis "corn snake, Pantherophis guttatus".

[Anthon]

Yes! Right! Let's save the world, stefan ;)

[Stefan-A]

Aren't you getting more radix? :D

[Anthon]

Oh, well.. Well after that :D

... But at least they're pure and sure radix ;)

[Stefan-A]

True. It's an important first step, too.

[Anthon]

By the way, a friend of mine has just bought a pair of albino marcianus, so maybe we're getting those beauties within a few years :)

[Stefan-A]

Freya? :) Too bad they're albino, I could consider getting normal ones. But I guess the public wants the most unnatural-looking morphs that can be produced.

[Anthon]

Yes :) Well, actually I'm not sure which of them she'll try to breed, because she also bought a normal one. Click (http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Beltane&image_id=89303787)

[Stefan-A]

That's nice to hear. :) Now we just have to wait until she sells the normal one. ;)

[Anthon]

Well, I got my guy on monday and he ate immediatly. :) So because of that, he's probably not very stressed, and because he's a captive-bred individual from reliable breeder, I decided to put them together today. Hope you don't kill me. :) But if there appears any problems (which I doubt), I'll separate them of course.

He's the smaller worm behind.
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/Adedaz/hirmuhurja-1.jpg?t=1221660424

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/Adedaz/nimetn.jpg

He has some nice reddish spots, is it because he's het red albino?

(69th posting. :p)

[Stefan-A]

Looks nice. :)

It's a bit hard to see the size difference because of the perspective, but he does look small by comparison.

[Anthon]

Yep he's quite small (but I don't think he's too small) compared to the female even though their age difference is only a one day. ;) But I guess it's only because he's a male. I can take some better comparison-pictures later.

[Stefan-A]

Is the size difference more noticable than this?

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/snakesies08/sizeoldies1.jpg

To be fair, though, the female was a year younger and the male was pretty big (for a male). The female has grown at least 10cm since then as well.

[Anthon]

Nope, it's mostly like in that pic. You know, skinnier than the female, but not much shorter. And umm.. his head is smaller? :D

[Stefan-A]

That head size thing didn't apply to my parietalis male, his head was just as big as the female's despite the difference in body size, but I can see that it does apply to my vagrans male. :D

[Anthon]

But your vagrans male is a year younger than the females, isn't he? :D

[Stefan-A]

Yeah, but I'm talking about the relative size. :) When the female were as long as the male is now, their heads were bigger. I think. It could also just be that the eyes are closer to the snout on the male, making its head look smaller.

[Anthon]

How awful picture, but I wanted to take it as fast as possible - they don't mind being in a little plastix box. ;) But anyway, here you can see the difference.

They aren't sick (and not even in shed) even though they look like that in this pic, it's just because of flash and dirtiness of the faunabox. :D

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/Adedaz/dddd.jpg

[Aundrea]

awwwwwww they sure are cute!!! :D

[reptile3]

those are some cute snakes!!:)

[Anthon]

Hello,

I just noticed that the male is probably courting my female ! :eek:

I mean, it was next to her and his body was waving from tail to head.

Isn't it a bit weird time for this or is that normal for males to do it year round without female wanting to copulate?

[drache]

my vet tells me that in his experience many garters will mate in fall

[Stefan-A]

Hello,

I just noticed that the male is probably courting my female ! :eek:

I mean, it was next to her and his body was waving from tail to head.

Isn't it a bit weird time for this or is that normal for males to do it year round without female wanting to copulate?
My male tried year round to hump my female, even though she didn't seem interested at all. They eventually mated in May.

Filmed in December:
YouTube - Parietalis couple getting friendly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhwFRZjpOhw)