What species, what sex?

[KITKAT]

Here are two new additions to my herp family.

They were at the Columbus show today, and were marked as "red sided garters".

I think they are concinnus... does everyone concur?

I also need help sexing them... I hope I picked out a pair, but I am not as good at this as some of you are... so guess away!:rolleyes:

Here is #1:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_one_091507_014.jpg

This is #2:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_two_091507_016.jpg

Please help sex #1:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_one_sex_091507_012.jpg

Please help sex #2:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_two_sex_091507_018.jpg

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Here are two new additions to my herp family.

They were at the Columbus show today, and were marked as "red sided garters".

I think they are concinnus... does everyone concur?

I also need help sexing them... I hope I picked out a pair, but I am not as good at this as some of you are... so guess away!:rolleyes:

Here is #1:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_one_091507_014.jpg

This is #2:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_two_091507_016.jpg

Please help sex #1:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_one_sex_091507_012.jpg

Please help sex #2:

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus_two_sex_091507_018.jpg
yea thats an oreon red-spotted

[Stefan-A]

Definitely looks more like a red-spotted than a red-sided.

[KITKAT]

Definitely looks more like a red-spotted than a red-sided.

Any ventured guesses for the gender of the two?;)

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Any ventured guesses for the gender of the two?;)
id say first is male secong im not sure maybe male

[Stefan-A]

Any ventured guesses for the gender of the two?;)
Not a chance. :D

[adamanteus]

Definitely concinnus... no doubt. As for sex, no guesses from me!

[Anthon]

Looks like a female to me. :D

[KITKAT]

Looks like a female to me. :D

LOL! Which one? There are two.

I hope that number one is female and number two is male. Number two seems "fuller" behind the vent compared to Number one... but wanted to see what others might think.

[Elliot]

I can't really help with the sexing, but they are pretty little snakes.:D

[Anthon]

LOL! Which one? There are two.

I hope that number one is female and number two is male. Number two seems "fuller" behind the vent compared to Number one... but wanted to see what others might think.

Oh sorry, I ment the second snake. But really don't trust me, it's just me. ;)

[enigma200316]

Definitely concinnus... no doubt. As for sex, no guesses from me!


I would say def. concinnus as well........as for sex I'm not sure, but I'd say probably both male, but #2 could be female.....once again not to sure....
sorry.............

[ssssnakeluvr]

definitely concinnus....as for sexing by photos, doesn't work on babies...gotta be closer to adult to be able to see the developed hemipenes.

[zooplan]

Best chance to get a sure sexing is to hold them in my hand.
Second best would be a photo view of the vent.
As Don said it would be better when they were nearer to adult and sexing by photos will never be 100%.

[Sid]

The first - female and the second appears to be a male. Hard to tell on the second one

[mikm]

KitKat, The second picture appears closer or magnified so that makes it a little more difficult. In any event I would say the first one does look male, not sure about the second one. I think another pic of just 'her' ;) tail end might help. They both look like very nice, btw :))

Best of Luck,

[brandon0133]

i have two gater snakes i just bought also,,,there both around 2 1/2 feet long,,theres beautiful and healthy,,i bought them from petco in NC,,,any ideas on what kinda of garter snake they are? i will post pics soon

[brandon0133]

ok heres a few pictures of my snakes,,just got them today,,any ideas what kinda garter snake they are? ones bigger then the other and ones more jumpy then the bigger one,,the bigger one will stay longer then the smaller one,,both are all over the tank,,i have a 175 gallon tank there in, im trying to figure out what sex these are,,there hard to get to stay still long enough to even notice any difference besides the size difference.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4839.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4840.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4838.jpg


http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4848.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4844.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4847.jpg

[zooplan]

the specimen on the third photo looks like a male.

[drache]

the first one looks like a parietalis to me, but I can't say with the second
possibly the second one will be going into shed soon
I think I agree with Udo on the gender

[ssssnakeluvr]

both appear to be parietalis....and I think they are females due how stocky they appear....but, we need photos of the belly by the tail to be able to better tell

[brandon0133]

ok one of the snakes is alot thinner then the other one,, thats why i figured one was a male and one a female,,,can a male and female from the same mother mate? or will that cause deformaties?

[ssssnakeluvr]

they can mate with no problems...just dont keep breeding their babies to each other and so on...

[brandon0133]

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4852.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4857.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4854.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4848.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/brandon0133/100_4851.jpg
these are the undersides of the two snakes i have,,anyone know if there male or female?

[Stefan-A]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/paretalis-e1.jpg


Anyone want to guess what this is?

[brandon0133]

mine look just like that,,lol,,,one of my snakes has eaten 1 minnow,,,1 feeder goldfish and two pinkies in the last 4 hrs,,,is this normal? can they eat to much?

[Stefan-A]

In the long run they can eat too much and get obese, but not from one feeding.

[zooplan]

Subadult garters can eat about 60% of their own weight in one meal.
First they will grow faster than thell become fat.
Fat females are called to produce small hatchlings.

[brandon0133]

thanks for everyones help i was just worried that he would hurt himself eating so much,,lol

[Bay_area]

Any ventured guesses for the gender of the two?;)

Put a messy bed in the enclosure, the one that makes it will be the female:pROTFL

My wife of 9 years, tells all my friends that I have never made the bed since we have been married:rolleyes: I do not Vacuum either:D

[zooplan]

Anyone want to guess what this is?
looks like a female
I´m 50% sure:D
Stefan, you should know thats hard to tell by a photo like that,
but I guess she is a female

[brandon0133]

i guess if theres any babies then we will know,,lol,,when do they mate? these two seem to always be together,,ontop of each other or wrapped around each other

[Stefan-A]

looks like a female
I´m 50% sure:D
Stefan, you should know thats hard to tell by a photo like that,
but I guess she is a female
Definitely a female. :D OK, so the picture lacks any clues as to the size of the snake, but the snake itself is 90-95cm long.

But what species?

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

parietalis, probaly a canadian parietalis

Definitely a female. :D OK, so the picture lacks any clues as to the size of the snake, but the snake itself is 90-95cm long.

But what species?

[brandon0133]

its about 3 feet long,,ones fatter then the other,,but there both about 3 ft long thtas counting whole body and tail, the one with the red spots in it is alittle smaller

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

3 feet is pretty long id have to go with both females

its about 3 feet long,,ones fatter then the other,,but there both about 3 ft long thtas counting whole body and tail, the one with the red spots in it is alittle smaller

[zooplan]

The difference in weight can also be a sign to difference in gender.
Most adult females are heavier than 100 gram most males are usually lighter.

[drache]

when I got my concinnus, they were the same size
I had them probed to make sure
but I hadn't seen a male that size before

[Stefan-A]

parietalis, probaly a canadian parietalis
How can you tell?

[brandon0133]

yeah ones alot skinnier then the other,,the smaller one has red on her/him also

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

idk looks like mine and ive seen pics on the internet that look like that

How can you tell?