Fitchi or Parietalis..more pics

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

can anyone tell??

[adamanteus]

I think parietalis, but then I'm not really familiar with fitchi.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

I think parietalis, but then I'm not really familiar with fitchi.
its spot are more orange then red tho

[zooplan]

its spot are more orange then red tho
...then it should be ´parietalis, ´fitchi is called to have clear red and yellow but no mixes.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

...then it should be ´parietalis, ´fitchi is called to have clear red and yellow but no mixes.
Hmm i need to know for sure because the larger one is 18 inches and i want to buy a female and mate them this year

[adamanteus]

It's a little late in the year now, Reed....and 18 inches is a little bit small.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

It's a little late in the year now, Reed....and 18 inches is a little bit small.
ok well then next year i need more votes for Parietalis to be sure it is one

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

any else know???

[GarterGuy]

Parietalis....parietalis.....parietalis.....pariet alis.....parietalis....is that enough?....LOL.:D Do really think they look like T.s.parietalis more than T.s.fitchi.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Parietalis....parietalis.....parietalis.....pariet alis.....parietalis....is that enough?....LOL.:D Do really think they look like T.s.parietalis more than T.s.fitchi.
ok sorry i just dont want to buy the wrong female

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

come on any1 else for Parietalis

[chloe]

Yes looks like Parietalis to me.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Yes looks like Parietalis to me.
hmm k i want a couple more votes for parientalis before i buy an adult female for them to mate

[ScimitarX]

Definitely parietalis, ive got an adult female that looks just like yours.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Definitely parietalis, ive got an adult female that looks just like yours.
really ill buy it from u if u want to sell it

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

1 more vote and ill be convinced?

[Elliot]

I agree with everyone else.

[Josh]

im sticking with fitchi:)

[Lulu Bennett]

im sticking with fitchi:)
just to make it awkward lol

[Josh]

lol
i just it looks like a fitchi

[Lulu Bennett]

lol to be totally honest i dont have a clue and i cant be bothered looking up the diff's lol its too late 2.25 am

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

lol to be totally honest i dont have a clue and i cant be bothered looking up the diff's lol its too late 2.25 am
k :'( lol its 6:30 for me :p

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

does any1 know an exact way to tell if its a red sided?

[Lulu Bennett]

you can try a google search? just put in each scientific name and one site that should come up is quite good but i cant remember the name of it lol sry

[Lulu Bennett]

its wikipedia the free encyclopedia lol

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

its wikipedia the free encyclopedia lolk thanxxxx

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

it didnt have parietalis or fitchi :((

[Lulu Bennett]

i have just been on it now and it had some basic info but no pics so just try a google search and some where on there it should have pics lol

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

i have just been on it now and it had some basic info but no pics so just try a google search and some where on there it should have pics lol
know where i could buy a adult female?

[Lulu Bennett]

lol i am in the uk so i am afraid not sry xxx

[Josh]

what do you have?

[Thamnophis]

Reed, I think (!) it is parietalis. But what you really need to know is where the snake is coming from to determine what subspecies it is.Please take a look at my site and go to the Thamnophis sirtalis-page.Than click on this button...http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/fotoos1.jpgThan look at the pics of both subspecies and try to compare them with yours.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Reed, I think (!) it is parietalis. But what you really need to know is where the snake is coming from to determine what subspecies it is.Please take a look at my site and go to the Thamnophis sirtalis-page.Than click on this button...http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/fotoos1.jpgThan look at the pics of both subspecies and try to compare them with yours.
whats your website name?

[ssssnakeluvr]

well......kinda leaning towards parietalis...only sure way totell is to know where the snake came from....fitchi are from utah, idaho, washington, oregon, and california.... parietalis are from the central U.S. up into canada. If you got it from a pet store you might be out of luck finding out where it came from.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

well......kinda leaning towards parietalis...only sure way totell is to know where the snake came from....fitchi are from utah, idaho, washington, oregon, and california.... parietalis are from the central U.S. up into canada. If you got it from a pet store you might be out of luck finding out where it came from.
ya but i doubt that the pet store would sell my a snake thats illegal to sell in california (where i live) o and any1 know what thamnophis's website is called?

[ssssnakeluvr]

http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/

thats thamnophis' website.... lots of pet stores don't know any better....have dealt with that here. check with them and see if they know where the snake came from...lots of places can sell if they are brought in from out of state...for instance rubber boas are native here...one of the local stores was selling them, but had paperwork showing they were captive bred out of state....best thing to do is find out where they came from. those 2 look like either species...northern red siders are real dark with a row of red spots...check out website photos of the garter snake dens, lots of them have jsut a row of red spots, and some even have very little to no red. valley garters have bright red, varying from red spots to red spots and speckling above the spots..... I don't think we will be able to tell for sure without knowing where they came from....also, scale row counts might help, count the scale rows near the head and at midbody...there could be some variation within the subspecies..would have to look it up to see..... :cool:

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/

thats thamnophis' website.... lots of pet stores don't know any better....have dealt with that here. check with them and see if they know where the snake came from...lots of places can sell if they are brought in from out of state...for instance rubber boas are native here...one of the local stores was selling them, but had paperwork showing they were captive bred out of state....best thing to do is find out where they came from. those 2 look like either species...northern red siders are real dark with a row of red spots...check out website photos of the garter snake dens, lots of them have jsut a row of red spots, and some even have very little to no red. valley garters have bright red, varying from red spots to red spots and speckling above the spots..... I don't think we will be able to tell for sure without knowing where they came from....also, scale row counts might help, count the scale rows near the head and at midbody...there could be some variation within the subspecies..would have to look it up to see..... :cool:
can u help me find they link for the red sideds pics?

[ssssnakeluvr]

The Narcisse Snake Dens in the Off-Season - gartersnake.info (http://www.gartersnake.info/articles/002163_the_narcisse_snake_d.phtml)
May 7, 2006 (Narcisse Snake Dens) Photo Gallery by Cindy Creighton at pbase.com (http://www.pbase.com/cindycreighton/may7)

here's a couple links....just did a google search....the 2nd on has a bunch of photos.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

The Narcisse Snake Dens in the Off-Season - gartersnake.info (http://www.gartersnake.info/articles/002163_the_narcisse_snake_d.phtml)
May 7, 2006 (Narcisse Snake Dens) Photo Gallery by Cindy Creighton at pbase.com (http://www.pbase.com/cindycreighton/may7)

here's a couple links....just did a google search....the 2nd on has a bunch of photos.
ya it looks like the ones in the mating ball except the ones i have, hve smaller bars but i think thats just cuz its smaller know where i can get a female?

[ssssnakeluvr]

I don't know of anyone with any adult females available. the males in the pics are large enough for breeding.... check with scott felzer....see if he might have one...he usually clears out some adults to make room for holdbacks.
Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com)

[Ameivaboy]

Reed,

they have adult red sideds at the east bay vivarium (some stub tailed checkered garters too) that would be your best bet finding a female and avoiding shipping costs.

I didnt look at the pictures but they better be red sideds as per state law illegal to sell fitchi as they are native here regardless if they came from another state.

[Thamnophis]

Try this link:
Thamnophis - Foto's (http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/sirtalis-foto%27s1.htm)

[joeysgreen]

When I was going through this debate with myself on some field finds, the fitchi have a red or dirty red spot on the cheek. This is missing in pariatalis and in your specimens.

Ian

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

When I was going through this debate with myself on some field finds, the fitchi have a red or dirty red spot on the cheek. This is missing in pariatalis and in your specimens.

Ian
hmm k thanx dude