deformed pics

[CrazyHedgehog]

odd thing really, lively enough though, haven't got round to doing anything about it yet, although I know I should...

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/eyes.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/eyes2.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/eyes3.jpg

[Josh]

aww
that stinks.
thats why im going to get unrelated bloodlines for the most part:)

[Elliot]

So where in its mouth are its eyes?

[CrazyHedgehog]

aww
that stinks.
thats why im going to get unrelated bloodlines for the most part:)

the mother from Germany, the father from Chester UK, totally unrelated,
on a good note, there are 13 perfect babies:), just 4 not fully developed properly!:(

[Josh]

o well i thought that helps make no deformed ones.

[CrazyHedgehog]

So where in its mouth are its eyes?
in the top pic, see the bulges.. they are eyes, downturned in the mouth! pretty cruel really, I am mustering corurage to do something about it:(

[Elliot]

I know it sucks to do it, but you know it's for the best. Just do it quickly and painlessly. :(

[CrazyHedgehog]

o well i thought that helps make no deformed ones.
It probably helps to have unrelated, but not always the reason:(

[Lee]

What is the quickest way to kill a deformed animal? A large rock smashing it, or severing the spine quickly with a large knife right below the head?

[Josh]

decapition i here

[Elliot]

What is the quickest way to kill a deformed animal? A large rock smashing it, or severing the spine quickly with a large knife right below the head?

Those would be humane. They may not exactly sound like it but I can't think of a quicker way of doing it.

[CrazyHedgehog]

I'm going for wrapped in tissue and then freezing, should just go into hibernation, sleep, then freeze..:(

[chloe]

I think its easier to put them in the freezer.

[Josh]

thats what i would do.
i dont like any kind of severing:(

[Elliot]

I'm sure it'd be just fine, but for some reason I just don't like how that sounds. It doesn't seem like it'd have enough time to hibernate or go to sleep. Of course they are cold blooded so I guess it'd be different than us freezing to death. Oh well, I don't know all that much, and I'm sure you know what you're doing.:rolleyes:

[CrazyHedgehog]

its cold outside...i'll cool them first out there!

[enigma200316]

yeah I would think cutting the head off would probably be the
quickest way to do it.......:(
I didn't think of that, but freezing would most likly be slow
I would think, and severing the head should kill them right away, but its your call which ever you feel better doing, but it should be done as soon as possible.......

[adamanteus]

I think I'd opt for freezing too. Any kind of butchery seems a bit ...well...brutal. I'm sure it would be quick though.

[enigma200316]

I know some times they freeze Lobster to kill it, but most of the time
they sever it because its a much faster death......

[adamanteus]

I know some times they freeze Lobster to kill it, but most of the time
they sever it because its a much faster death......

Really? I thought they cooked them alive.

[Elliot]

I think they freeze them if they aren't going to be "fresh." So if they package them they'd kill them first.

[enigma200316]

I think most people at home still do, but a lot of places let you pick
your live lobster, then they kill it in the kitchen before they make it....
Not all places do that though.....

[enigma200316]

I know I put them in the pot alive, same with crabb, and crayfish....:o

[CrazyHedgehog]

apparently, because snakes need such low levels of oxygen, decapitating a snake can leave the head and brain active for up to 5 hours depending on the size of the snake, ugghhh

couldn't bring my self to squish them

freezer it is....

[adamanteus]

yeah...freezer!:eek:

[Elliot]

Wow, that's an interesting fact.. now I know never to use that method if I ever have to put one down.:eek:

[ssssnakeluvr]

I was reading an article on decapitation....snakes have a tolerance for low oxygen levels....decapitation isn't the best....head will survive for a while. I have heard freezing is painful, never read any articles on that tho... another probably more expensive way is euthanasia performed by a vet....it's an injection and painless...

[ssssnakeluvr]

I would say freezing is ok..had to do that once with a couple red sided babies with extremely short lower jaws... :(

[adamanteus]

I know it sounds really heartless, but expense has to be a consideration...especially as there may well be more than one animal needing to be destroyed. I think freezing, although perhaps not ideal, is probably the most useful to us, as hobbyists. It's hard, but it's a fact of life that sometimes we have to do such things.

[ssssnakeluvr]

yea, it's never easy, you just want to save them all sometimes.....if they were to survive and eat well, they would not be good for breeding!

[Josh]

put them in in a small contane,like really small small area to freeze you think? lol

[Lee]

Large rock + elevation = instant death and no pain. Saves a load of money to...

[Elliot]

That's my thought on it too.

[Thamnophis]

It is "normal" that every now and then there is a deformed baby in a litter. Sometimes even a whole litter is deformed.Has nothing to do with inbreeding.For snakes the general opinion is that maybe after 10 generations of inbreeding there might be a chance you get deformed young. Ten generations take about thirty years.In the wild there is a lot of inbreeding going on in seperate populations. Without noticable problems.I kill such animals with a firm hit on the head with something heavy. First I cool such an animal in the refrigerator for a fw hours.Freezing I do not do because this seems to be painfull.

[Tori]

I asked a vet the best way to euthanize a snake and he said this:

Were it me, I'd give it an injection of euthanasia dolution (usually sodium pentobarbital) into the coelomic cavity (abdomen) and just wait for it expire slowly but painlessly. Not sure if you can get that without a vet giving it to you or not, hope it helps.

Tori

[ssssnakeluvr]

it's a controlled substance, like anesthetics...only given at vet clinics or some animal shelters. It is strictly controlled....I work for a shelter as an animal control officer, we use it there....have to log every cc used.

[Odie]

freezer :confused:

[Lulu Bennett]

i am worried incase i have deformed babies. i dont think i would have the gutts to freeze the poor things lol

[KITKAT]

I was reading an article on decapitation....snakes have a tolerance for low oxygen levels....decapitation isn't the best....head will survive for a while. I have heard freezing is painful, never read any articles on that tho... another probably more expensive way is euthanasia performed by a vet....it's an injection and painless...

I have always figured that I can put them into a brumation temperature first, then freeze, and the fact that they are already sleeping will make it not be painful...:confused:

[Lulu Bennett]

kitkat i think i would do it that way but then again i could just ask James nicely :D lol

[Stefan-A]

Read an article on the subject myself a while back, some draft by some Australian authority and regarding euthanasia of different animals, from mammals to birds to reptiles etc. IIRC, the recommendation was a swift strike to the head, followed by decapitation followed by destruction of the brain. Freezing was deemed "not acceptable".

[Elliot]

That seems pretty humane to me, but for peole who are a little more timid it might be a bit much.

[Sputnik]

Do you think you might be able to use the same method you use for your mice? CO2, wasn't it?

[Elliot]

That's a good point, but wouldn't it take a lot longer to kill the snakes than the mice? I guess it wouldn't really matter though if it was still painless.

[Stefan-A]

Found the pdf. "Euthanasia of animals used for scientific purposes (Currently under revision) - Australian and New Zealand Council for the Care of Animals in Research and Teaching"

http://www.adelaide.edu.au/ANZCCART/publications/Euthanasia.pdf

Recommended:
Barbiturates.

Acceptable with reservations:
Stunning + destruction of brain (the method I mentioned)

Not acceptable:
Inhaled agents - Halothane, isoflurane, methoxyflurane (reason: able to hold their breaths -> protracted induction)
Hypothermia - crystal formation painful
Decapitation alone - doesn't cause rapid unconsciousness

[drache]

I just really hope I don't ever have to do this

[Stefan-A]

Yeah, definitely the downside of keeping animals.

[adamanteus]

Yeah, definitely the downside of keeping animals.

Indeed. I guess if it comes to it, you just have to not give it too much thought and just get the job done.:(

[Thamnophis]

It helps when you put the animal in a bag er so. Than you can not see it. Make sure that you know exactly where the head is when you give it a blow.