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Jeff B
05-04-2019, 08:08 PM
Introducing the worlds first scaleless erythristic flame golden and scaleless flame. There was also albinos in the litter.
Jeff B
05-04-2019, 08:12 PM
The rest of the litter15161
Eddie
05-05-2019, 05:45 AM
Truly amazing Jeff!!! Best of luck with them!!
Jeff B
05-05-2019, 08:34 AM
Truly amazing Jeff!!! Best of luck with them!!
Thanks Eddie, hopefully they will be common in the hobby in 6-8 years from now.
Jeff B
05-05-2019, 08:37 AM
As you well know it is very difficult to actually keep a morph going in this hobby. Would love to see you get the leucistic going. How cool would a scaleless lucy be?
gartergabe
05-05-2019, 12:01 PM
I agree it with what you said about morphs in the hobby I always wondered why that is the only thing i could come up with is maybe breeders care more about finding the highest buyers instead of the right buyers like selling most to people that don’t intend on breeding I could be wrong and I’m not talking about you Jeff or anyone I know but that’s all I could come up with I don’t understand why almost all the morphs that were around in 2008 are gone now
As you well know it is very difficult to actually keep a morph going in this hobby. Would love to see you get the leucistic going. How cool would a scaleless lucy be?
Jeff B
05-05-2019, 06:14 PM
I agree it with what you said about morphs in the hobby I always wondered why that is the only thing i could come up with is maybe breeders care more about finding the highest buyers instead of the right buyers like selling most to people that don’t intend on breeding I could be wrong and I’m not talking about you Jeff or anyone I know but that’s all I could come up with I don’t understand why almost all the morphs that were around in 2008 are gone now
Well it is just difficult as a breeder to keep things going and it takes years of perseverance and hard work. If it was easy and only took a couple weeks with little work everyone that had an interest would be making morph combos. Very very very few people stick with breeding garter snakes. Snakes die on you over the winter, or a morph is just finicky about breeding and/or has issues with productivity, people loose interest, people move on to other snakes, other breeding projects, other hobbies all together. Sometimes people just give up or they just need a change in there life to focus on something else...life happens. Some breeders stay in the hobby only a few years. Some are in it for years then burn out and disappear. Some start then quit and get rid of everything then a year later "they're back" trying to build up a collection and they do that start and stop thing over and over, so they never really accomplish anything or contribute to the hobby, and there are those that just just suck the life out of it with negative comments about morphs. Thats my two cents on why morphs don't persist in the hobby.
Eddie what do you think?
gartergabe
05-06-2019, 12:18 AM
Yeah that makes sense thanks for sharing your point of view it I agree I hope you continue to stay in the game every snake or project I’ve seen of yours was amazing have you decided if you’re gonna make another website or not
Eddie
05-06-2019, 07:15 PM
i actually can't believe the amount of "breeders" that have come and gone. I also know that breeding garters is not for the faint of heart. they are tough to deal with. the miss conception that garters are common in the wild so they must be easy to keep and breed is way off base. As most or all of you know I am not in this for money. I do sell snakes from time to time to other enthusiasts but I am in it for the hobby of it foremost. Jeff, i wish you the best of luck with this new morph and can't wait to be a part of it!!
BUSHSNAKE
05-06-2019, 10:28 PM
A lot of people specialize, focus on one species. Garters arent just garters...theres 20 plus species plus morphs. People like Eddy and Tommy radix who focus on one species, like many hobbiest do, are extremely successful at keeping those lines around.
Its not that its difficult it just needs more people involved.
BLUESIRTALIS
05-08-2019, 06:40 AM
Awesome looking animals! Congrats Jeff!
mikec205
06-01-2019, 08:37 PM
How much will the
erythristic flame go for?
Zdravko092368
06-05-2019, 01:09 AM
A lot of people specialize, focus on one species. Garters arent just garters...theres 20 plus species plus morphs. People like Eddy and Tommy radix who focus on one species, like many hobbiest do, are extremely successful at keeping those lines around.
Its not that its difficult it just needs more people involved.
That really is the reality of it, there's just too many species, subspecies and morphs for garters and the babies aren't super hardy and often adults don't breed without cooling and demand for them is up and down. Keeping with garters long term is almost impossible, barely anyone sticks it out for more than a few years.
I could stick to only easterns and I'd be overwhelmed if I tried to produce half the morphs and localities... just for one subspecies.
I have two new locality albinos, pure flames and mels. Just those four pairs is a handful and only scratches the surface of easterns.
ssssnakeluvr
08-15-2021, 10:59 AM
I’m working with many different species. There’s 4 videos on YouTube now about my snakes. Their popularity is going up like crazy! Wandering what happened to the scaleless radix Jeff was working with. I had a surprise litter from a wild caught red plains that popped out 5 scaleless, 3 males kissing head scales and 2 females missing most of their scales.
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