OMG....Babies!!!

[DEKAN]

OMG...I found Babies!!!! http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9136/dancexc1.gif

I still don't know how many...but I'll see later, there's too much news paper and they could be under some pages.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6044/s5000835td6.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000835td6.jpg)http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2924/s5000838hv4.th.jpg http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6884/s5000841fm1.th.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000838hv4.jpg)

What should I give them??? :confused:

Im so Excited...my first babies :D

[DEKAN]

Anotherone

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8660/s5000842ou7.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000842ou7.jpg)

[ssssnakeluvr]

they wont eat for a day or two. they will go thru a shed first. feeder guppies are a good fish to start with.

[Stefan-A]

Excellent! Congratulations. :)

[Lulu Bennett]

OMG!! congrat sweety they are beautiful.
try worms??

[DEKAN]

Thanx :D

I'll try worms tomorow...and tomorrow I'll take the mom to the vet she refused the scented pinkies.

Strange she had only 6 babies...Four of them have orange stripes but the other two have yellow stripes, like the mom. Could this be females and males or it has nothing to do with it?

By the way could someone put a pic of the guppies?...I think it's a different kind, cause in Mexico Gupies are these: http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/234/copulacionrq5.jpg

Or is it the same?

thanx in advance

[GarterGuy]

Very cool.....do we still not know what species of garter this is???? I know I can't really tell from the baby pics. Nothing like I've ever seen before and I know the pic of moma you had wasn't really familiar either?????:confused:
Oh, as far as the colour determining sex....really doubt it, I don't think there are any garters that show sexually dimorphic colours. And as for the guppies.....yep that's them. There are usually cheaper ones sold at the petstore called "feeder guppies".....just ask I'm sure they'll know what you're talking about. Again congrats!!!!:D

Roy

[DEKAN]

Ohhh...ok, I'll look for them today, cause I've just seen the colorfull ones :P

And yep, all of the babies are almost black not dark-green like the mom, these one have orange, the other 2 are the same but with a green-yellow stripes :o

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1011/foropb2.jpg

[adamanteus]

Congratulations Robert! I'm really pleased for you! As Don says, they won't eat for the first few days, so don't worry. Being a somewhat aquatic species, small fish such as feeder guppies would make an excellent first meal. Good luck and keep us posted.

@Roy: They are Thamnophis melanogaster melanogaster.

[garterking]

Congrats on your new arrivals.
As others stated, they won't eat for the first couple days or until their first shed.
Try feeding them small worms or feeder guppies, movement will help. Put the guppies in a shallow dish of water so that only the bottom half of the fish gets wet. They will move around a lot and that's what you need to attract the attention of the newbies.
Also, just a word of caution. Watch when you feed them that there aren't any fights over food if you use worms. Remember they are new to the world and haven't had a lot of experience. 2 can go after the same worm and if one doesn't let go and the other doesn't stop eating........ it's never a good turn out.
Congrats again and keep us updated.

[Sid]

:D Congratulations Robert. Nice little ones and nice photos too.

[Elliot]

Congrats on the babies, I don't think I'd take the mom to the vet yet though.

[CrazyHedgehog]

they look brilliant!! congratulations




@Roy: They are Thamnophis melanogaster melanogaster.
what is their common name?

[adamanteus]

what is their common name?

Mexican Black Bellied Garter Snake.:D

[CrazyHedgehog]

Oh No... another beauty to add to my wish list!:rolleyes:

[adamanteus]

Inge, I think it might be a while before Mexican species make it to the UK. They're high on my wish list too, but I think we have a long wait!

[CrazyHedgehog]

:o Wait for Hamm.....you never know!!;)

[DEKAN]

Well I was talking to the vet, wich is going to do all the paperwork for my garter to be registered, he said that the main problem for export are the customs (pay duty) in the border. And unfortunatelly I don't know people on the border to ask the legal aspects :( as these are born in captivity, I may sell them if I want to...but, they are so cute, I'm planning to set free one or two into their habitat.

Well here are more pictures...this one is the yellow striped, and yep...black belly too :D

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5678/s5000846zi9.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000846zi9.jpg) http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6710/s5000848fq1.th.jpg (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000848fq1.jpg) http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8066/s5000847sj1.th.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000847sj1.jpg)

[adamanteus]

If i could buy them Robert, I'd be first on the list! There is a market there! Just be careful of your local laws!

[Snaky]

Congratulations, they look very pretty! Hopefully they'll start eating soon:)

I think more people than you think are interested in them, but like James says, get to know your laws before you get into this adventure. It's nice to hear that you'll put some back in the wild.

[DEKAN]

Yep don't worry...I'm learning more and more, to legalize a wild animal it's a hard process (photos, medical certificates, photos of the enclosure, conditions, etc.) It's a free process in my country but I do not have the time, so I prefer to pay $40 dlls to my vet to do it :p

The terms are...in small words, that my snake is going to be declared property of the nation under my custody, the gouverment gives permission for normal people to breed wild animals under captivity, but only certain species, they check that they are kept in good conditions and not affecting the habitat, so the babies are going to be 100% mine. Still I don't think I could sell them, I'm going to try buying a male or another baby melanogaster's, and let's see what happens

I'll talk to him on the next week maybe he found something about the export...

[GSNAKE]

Yeah..nice baby´s... congratulations DEKAN

[drache]

lovely babies, Robert
congratulations
how many were there in the end?

[DEKAN]

I count only 6...she's a little bit small, just 40cm.

Still I have to look for more tomorrow :o I had some work to do.

And thanx again for the comments :D

[drache]

6 is good
I think it's better not to be overwhelmed by too many
you're kind of new to this like I am
I was happy for the babies and equally happy not to have 20+ to geal with right now

[GSNAKE]

I think you are going to be busy taking care of them... good luck

[Snaky]

How many babies you have greatly depends on what species, the length of the snake and the age. I think the average is a bit more normally for your species, but that's maybe for next year ;)

[DEKAN]

I really hope so :D

And news Finally the trout worked...thanx adamanteus, and also I did a trick :cool: I put a transparent bowl with Guppies (male and female) well a trick that wasn't supposed to be a trcik lol... I was so desperate, it was about 25 days since her last meal and I said what could I loose I hope that the guppies don't have parasites, so I put the fish in the bowl and then she saw the movement and spent a couple of minutes chasing them on the outside, just going around the bowl, so I put some trout in a plate really close to the bowl, and then she smell them and suddenly she finished all the trout, I chopped a few big pieces and she ate all, then I remmembered that I had a pinkie alive in a box :mad: but at that time she was already satisfied, so at the end of the week I'll try again with pinkies.

And no "feeder guppies" on any pet store =( hope that the trout work for the babies too :o

[DEKAN]

Hey...a friend told me that he gave to his baby garter Sea Monkyes, he bought a bag full of eggs . Have you tried this? :confused:

[ssssnakeluvr]

sea monkeys...or brine shrimp aren't really on the list for garters to eat...also they are small, would take a bunch to feed a baby garter if th ey ate them.

[zooplan]

Guppy males would be the best try I think.
Maybe you can get some hatchlings of the fish that you fed to thier mother too?

[adamanteus]

That's great news Robert! I'm really pleased for you!:D

[DEKAN]

Well the mom keeps eating...today she ate all the trout and in seconds the guppies were gone too :o for my luck the guppies are kept in much better conditions than the others, but it was just a price for her, no more alive food.

So all of this was normal so far....but then I saw her and I realize that she is longer, when I bought her was like 40cm (15.6 inches) now its 50cm (19.7 inches). When I was at the vet's clinic he told me that she was little but could be a lot more big. Is it the only specie that have litter so soon, even if she's not at her adult size?....or every garter is like that? :confused: It's there any record of the length of an adult of T. Melanogaster?

And no luck with the little ones, that "feeder guppies" are hard to find :(

By the way do you keep all your babies in the same tank?

A small pic of the little ones in another tank

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/281/post2ot9.jpg

I know...too many questions. Sorry about that

[Sid]

Robert, You commented about your "mother" Garters size. Here is a link to reptiles of Mexico. It will give some limited details on your snake
Reptiles of Mexico - Reptiles (http://www.vivanatura.org/AnimalsRept.html)

Hope it helps with some of your questions.

[adamanteus]

I always keep my babies in groups of three. I find it easier to keep a track of which ones are eating what!

[Thamnophis]

What a nice surprise. They are very beautiful.I really would like a few good pics of them to place on my website Thamnophis.eu -kousebandslangen.nl (http://www.thamnophis.eu) Maybeyou can help me?

[DEKAN]

What a nice surprise. They are very beautiful.I really would like a few good pics of them to place on my website Thamnophis.eu -kousebandslangen.nl (http://www.thamnophis.eu) Maybeyou can help me?

Ofcourse not a problem... Tomorrow I'll take a better pictures I'm going to place each one alone and put some worms, today it's the 3rth day and no sign of feeding =( , my sisters just keep staring at them maybe thats the reason, they are scared lol...they are so shy :o and they run from everything.


http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1969/s50008733333ox7.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s50008733333ox7.jpg) http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/504/s50008743333pc5.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s50008743333pc5.jpg)

The mom:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/489/s5000816kp0.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000816kp0.jpg) http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4981/s5000815we9.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5000815we9.jpg)

[Snaky]

Have you tried earthworms for the little ones? You can cut them in a good size and the movement triggers them sometimes. But the guppies are usually and even better trigger.

And it could well be that your sister scares them a bit... I would try to leave them alone for a couple of days...

Good luck with them :)

[DEKAN]

Yep...they can be at the top of an earthworm and nothing happens, and in any pet stores sell the "feeder guppies" =( ...they even cancelled the shipment of wild guppies (I guess because the worms and stuff)...so, the only fish that can be found with small size are Neon Tetra ( I don't think they may help, that colors...could be toxic? I don't know) and Zebra Danio (like 3 dlls each )

Well in the meanwhile I bought guppies to breed them...I know it's gonna take a quite long time but, could be handy on a emergency.

There is a big market of fish...ofcourse no guaranty on them, but you can find anything...It's impressive the amount of species, but it's quite far, probably y I would go on friday... I'm worry about those babies =P

[DEKAN]

The pictures Thamnophis asked :)

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5681/photo1an6.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo1an6.jpg) http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3778/photo2vy2.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo2vy2.jpg) http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2220/photo3sd1.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photo3sd1.jpg)

And as you can see...no luck with worms :(

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5512/photophotowv8.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photophotowv8.jpg)

[CrazyHedgehog]

h god, they are too cute! I want one...or two......or.....

[Serpentine99]

I believe neon tetra have toxic dye in them. They are toxic to us and probably snakes as well.

[CrazyHedgehog]

I believe neon tetra have toxic dye in them. They are toxic to us and probably snakes as well.
what just if we ate them not held them?

[Serpentine99]

Sorry I don't know what you mean. I just got back from a 3 hour wait in the most boring hospital in the world.

[CrazyHedgehog]

I believe neon tetra have toxic dye in them. They are toxic to us and probably snakes as well.
in what way is it toxic?
through skin or only if eaten?

[Serpentine99]

oh okay. Only if eaten.

[CrazyHedgehog]

why in hospital?

[Serpentine99]

overuse injury from running. I got X-Rays on my hip and apparently the socket area where my leg meets my pelvis is swollen and has fluid in it. I couldn't have shorts while they were taking the X-Rays so it was kind of uncomfortable, having a girl nurse and all.

[CrazyHedgehog]

ouch! :(

hey, I tried to post that but it was too short so this waffle should add enough......

[Snaky]

Hopefully you'll be up and running again in no time ;)

About the zebra danio, I've used them before to get some young one's eating. If you don't have anything else and they are of good quality, I'd give it to them once to try...

And again, very nice snakes and quality pictures.

[Thamnophis]

Thanks for the pictures, Dekan. What credit do you want under it?Personally I would not place the apart. Young garter snakes tend to eat better when they see others eat. And do not worry, after a week or ten days they will start eating. Don´t give up!

[DEKAN]

Credit?...Uhmm, as I don't sell them or have any webpage about my snake I would say...none, this are all yours feel free to use them on your webpage ;)

Thanx for the replys guys...I'll keep trying with trout and worms. If that doesn't work, then I buy the zebra ones :D

[Thamnophis]

I will put your name under them for the copyright. Robert Campos, Mexico.
OK?

[DEKAN]

Ok not a problem....If you want more pictures just tell me :)

[Thamnophis]

We all love pictures, so... :D

[adamanteus]

If you want more pictures just tell me :)

We want more pictures!:D

[drache]

more pictures is always good
any child knows that