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Jeremy Perez
10-24-2017, 12:25 AM
Three months ago, we found a garter snake roaming the rose bushes in front of our house. I was really surprised. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen one in the wild, but I can only recall ever seeing them near creeks and other healthy water sources. With all the cats and cars around in town, I figured he was a really lucky critter. He musked when I first picked him up, but never bit, and that was the only time he ever tried to skunk me or anyone else.


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First sighting beneath our rose bushes

Doing a little research after that, I ID’d him as a Wandering Garter Snake — Thamnophis elegans vagrans. He’s about 24 inches long and I’m guessing male because the tail after the cloaca doesn’t quite seem to taper for about an inch or so.

I haven’t had a pet garter since I was a kid and had forgotten how awesome they are. He’s just an exceptionally beautiful snake. Bright eyed with a slight olive green tint up top and pastel bluish green gastrosteges beneath—and glossy like a moving ceramic sculpture. We handle him regularly and he is completely comfortable with that—always on the move, exploring and flicking, never snippy or skittish.

He spent the first few weeks in a small 7-ish gallon tank, but is now set up in a better 20 gallon tank with trimmings to hopefully make it as pleasant for him to live in as it is for us to watch. We’ve had friends through the years that have had milk snakes, boas and kings, but I haven’t yet seen any that compare to watching a garter just constantly moving and grooving, stretching and reaching around their environment.


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We have some extra faux-vine leaves and a climbing rock that we bring out and set on the table a couple times a week to let him crawl around and explore different layouts. Sometimes one of us will sit there and play or work on the laptop while he takes an extended tour. That’s where I had been feeding him too—big earthworm on a paper towel in the middle of a temporary table garden. A little vitamin dusting on the worm once every couple weeks. He was ravenous the first couple months and at times would scarf his meal before I even had a chance to put him down.


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He shed twice in the first two months, but what I feared has now happened. He stopped eating in September, and has gone into enhanced exploration mode, so I figure he’s hunting for a good brumation spot. I’m afraid he’ll lose too much weight if I try to avoid brumating until it’s too late. So I picked up a thermostat and separate heat mat to set him up in the smaller tank, out in the garage for I guess a couple months to reset his belly clock.


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Checking out the freshly assembled brumation hideout

I’m really afraid we could lose him to that process. But also don’t want him starving himself at higher metabolism in our indoor temperatures either. I wish I could be confident that after a couple months of not eating and warm temperatures, he’d figure it out and start chowing down again…but as far as I know, he could get sick and die of malnutrition first. So I guess I’m giving brumation a shot. The cage is covered in foil to keep it dark, thermostat programmed for 50 degrees F, water dish and cover added, and snake in residence. We’re starting with two or three days indoors to start the dark. Then out to the garage for cooler temps. We’re going to miss watching him roam and flounce around for a couple months.

I’m definitely hooked on the gartersnakes though. This is an excellent forum—I’ve learned a lot reading through the current and old posts. Thanks for that!


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guidofatherof5
10-24-2017, 05:59 AM
Nice to have you with us. I'd like to see an under tail photo.
Looksfemalish to me. Broad, thick head and overall size lead me to a female.
Garter Snake Forum - Garter Caresheet (http://www.thamnophis.com/index.php?page=caresheet)
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//744/medium/welcome.jpg

Peterra
10-24-2017, 06:20 AM
Awesome post, Jeremy! Looking forward to reading more -- and seeing some more great pictures.

Jeremy Perez
10-24-2017, 12:02 PM
Steve and Peterra, thank you! Let me see if I can get a tail underside shot. At first I was thinking female, due to size and heft, but later, my rough guess on the tail seemed more like a male. But I also have zero experience with that other than comparing to internet photos. The cool thing is we had a backup plan to switch to 'Randelle' if we found otherwise on male/female :)

Until I can get that tail shot...here are a couple others from our pre-brumation photo session the other night...

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You can see some chafing on the nose where he/she has been urgently prodding at the screen on the top of the cage the last few weeks. I need to figure out a way to keep that from happening in the future...maybe some stretched nylons on the underside of the screen or similar...
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...and from a couple months ago when appetite was mighty...
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guidofatherof5
10-24-2017, 02:51 PM
Good looking Thamnophis.

Peterra
10-25-2017, 11:09 AM
Really fantastic pictures!

Albert Clark
10-26-2017, 12:25 AM
Amazing story, and the photos really put us right there. Yep, i say female too just by the head and body proportions. Can't wait to see the under tail shots. Thanks. ;)

Jeremy Perez
10-26-2017, 08:53 PM
Sorry for the distracting background, but hopefully it shows what's going on. I think the thing I fixated on was that the tail doesn't seem to taper until after the first 10 or 11 gastrosteges past the vent. But I'm sure I'm not quite interpreting that right. If this isn't a good angle, let me know and we can try another shot. Thanks for taking a look!

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guidofatherof5
10-27-2017, 06:44 AM
That is a big male. Proves tail/cloaca is the best visual sex indicator.
Male would have been my other guess, so I was close.:D

Jeremy Perez
10-27-2017, 12:49 PM
lol thanks Steve! I'm glad to have our eye on that.

Just headed over to your YouTube channel...WOW!

Albert Clark
10-27-2017, 01:27 PM
:eek: Yikes! Big time male. Body proportions including the head size really fooled me. What a large male. He definitely needs a girlfriend right away. Very nice.

Jeremy Perez
10-27-2017, 02:08 PM
So sounds like we've got ourselves a bit of a circus freak here :D

My son says he saw a couple others slipping out of sight while he was walking past a nearby drainage canal last month. That canal is usually dry, but I guess there must be enough occasional water to keep a population going. I might have to explore around there when spring rolls around & see if I can find any unswarmed females coming out of brumation.

On a totally separate note...
Cats aren't the only ones:
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Jeremy Perez
11-04-2017, 04:27 PM
So the brumation chamber got moved out to the garage about a week ago. Temperatures are running 52°-65°F. I expect that upper temp to keep getting lower as we close in on winter and I've got the thermostat & heater set to keep it from getting lower than 50°. After reading the recent discussions about dehydration, and noticing a couple times when peeking in that he was hanging out in the water bowl, I picked up some sphagnum moss. I refreshed the water bowl today, added the moss and sprayed it down. I'll mist it down every 2 or 3 days and hopefully that's healthier than just the bowl.
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guidofatherof5
11-04-2017, 05:46 PM
Not sure the misting is needed as it might create mold opportunities. Soaking she take care of all the water needs.

Jeremy Perez
11-06-2017, 09:49 AM
Steve, thanks for that guidance. I probably misunderstood what was being discussed about the sphagnum moss. (Because of the mold concern I was thinking I'd have to swap it out every couple weeks, which seemed a huge pain.) Anyway, if the water dish for soaking is sufficient, I'll not worry about the rest of the substrate. Thanks again!

Jeremy Perez
02-16-2018, 05:24 PM
Update on Randall. This was my first time navigating care for a snake that wants to brumate. Fortunately his activity, personality and food are back on track.

Late September — he went off food

First week of November — I put him into semi-brumation in a darkened tank in the garage with a small heater and thermostat to keep the temp from getting below 50 degrees F.

First week of January — I brought him back indoors in his large enclosure and set the lights & heater to 6 hours a day for starters. Tried his favorite — nightcrawlers — but he just flicked & moved on.

First week of February — He was seeming more active & hunting around, so I tried the nightcrawler action again and this time he went for it with gusto.

Today — I finally attempted the switch to frozen pinkies. I was apprehensive about this, but it wasn’t as awkward as I thought it would be. I found that our local PetCo has them in stock & picked up a bag of three. While one of them was thawing in warm water, I set Randall out on the table with the leaves & climbing rock we set up for his field trips out of the enclosure.

Once the pinkie felt thawed, I scented it on a nightcrawler, brought it out to the table, and he went for it with no hesitation. As a sort of post-brumation celebration, I let him have a second one and he was only too happy to scarf it down.


I’m just immensely relieved that he went through four and a half months without eating, hopefully metabolizing slowly for half that, and is back to his Hungry Hungry Hippo self.

Eddie
02-16-2018, 08:30 PM
Awesome!

guidofatherof5
02-16-2018, 11:07 PM
Great update.

Albert Clark
02-17-2018, 04:49 PM
Great to hear he's back on schedule with the feeding. A reason for him staying off food for the January to February timeline once you brought him back indoors to his enclosure ( normal temperatures) is bc he was in breeding mode after being cooled. Normally, after coming out of brumation all the males want to do is wait for the appearance of the females. They typically won't want to eat until after they have mated. Nice job..:)