Two headed garter snake found in wild..

[infernalis]

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[guidofatherof5]

Wow, a two-headed T. e. vagrans (Wandering garter snake)

[Albert Clark]

Nice find for him and the garter snake community. I hope it can survive and get into the right hands. Thanks for sharing this.

[Tommytradix]

Nice find for him and the garter snake community. I hope it can survive and get into the right hands. Thanks for sharing this.
it is in the right hands. I've spoken to him about a month ago when he first found it and he is doing great with it

[Albert Clark]

it is in the right hands. I've spoken to him about a month ago when he first found it and he is doing great with it

That's your opinion. And thats fine. I was thinking along the lines of a herpetological program in a University or teaching institution. Maybe one with a exotics veterinary program.

[Zdravko092368]

It's in the right hands. He found it and he likes it plus he has reptile experience. He named them Frank and Stein.

I think it's particularly fitting because he's a sideshow performer and he found a two headed snake. What are the odds lol.

[Albert Clark]

It's in the right hands. He found it and he likes it plus he has reptile experience. He named them Frank and Stein.

I think it's particularly fitting because he's a sideshow performer and he found a two headed snake. What are the odds lol.

And that's your opinion and that's fine too.

[Tommytradix]

That's your opinion. And thats fine. I was thinking along the lines of a herpetological program in a University or teaching institution. Maybe one with a exotics veterinary program.

I'm almost positive you would have kept it too albert as would i

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I would keep a pic of me holding it for display, lol! I think I would sell it to a museum or exhibit/serpentarium and invest the money in some of my other projects. It is cool though, but I prefer the 1 headed version.

[Albert Clark]

I'm almost positive you would have kept it too albert as would i

WRONG!! I would have written a letter to the director of the herpetology department at the University of California Davis. Explained to them what I had and that I would like to know if they would be interested in working out a business transaction for the animal. There are more special considerations for the survival of the animal than it being a spectacle for a sideshow. And that's just my opinion...

[Zdravko092368]

WRONG!! I would have written a letter to the director of the herpetology department at the University of California Davis. Explained to them what I had and that I would like to know if they would be interested in working out a business transaction for the animal. There are more special considerations for the survival of the animal than it being a spectacle for a sideshow. And that's just my opinion...

Okay so you just want to make money off it. Well he doesn't have a price tag for it and many people have tried to buy it from him. As with Clinton Horner who has a two headed Radix, he's denied offers of as much as $1000+. Two headed snakes are well documented and not new to science, there's been 4 found this year as far as I'm aware. Props to both of them for keeping their snakes and not giving them away to whoever offers the most money.

[Albert Clark]

Okay so you just want to make money off it. Well he doesn't have a price tag for it and many people have tried to buy it from him. As with Clinton Horner who has a two headed Radix, he's denied offers of as much as $1000+. Two headed snakes are well documented and not new to science, there's been 4 found this year as far as I'm aware. Props to both of them for keeping their snakes and not giving them away to whoever offers the most money.

WRONG!!!!! But that's your opinion and that's fine. A business transaction has different intricacies that don't always include a monetary/ cash ingredient. What if I want my name on a plaque that identifies me as a donor to the University? What if a agreed business transaction afforded me some documentation or a recommendation from the university. Before you jump to a assumption or biased conclusion about my intent you should ask me. That's my opinion!

[Tommytradix]

I hope it can survive and get into the right hands.
In this comment you made the assumption that if it don't get into "the right hands" it won't survive. Assuming he is ill equipped to care for it.



And here you assumed it would be a spectacle in a sideshow and not his personal pet.

[QUOTE=Albert Clark;268754]WRONG!!!!! But that's your opinion and that's fine. A business transaction has different intricacies that don't always include a monetary/ cash ingredient. What if I want my name on a plaque that identifies me as a donor to the University? What if a agreed business transaction afforded me some documentation or a recommendation from the university. Before you jump to a assumption or biased conclusion about my intent you should ask me. That's my opinion!

What would be your intent with the leucistic? Would you also suggest i send the leucistic to a university and ask for my name on a plaque identifying me as a donor?

[Zdravko092368]

All thread you're making assumptions about the owner of this snake with literally no information. I assume you want to sell it after you talk about making a business transaction and you flip out. Okay. Well maybe you should talk to this guy before you jump to any more biased conclusions.

[Eddie]

I would have kept it!! :))

[Albert Clark]

All thread you're making assumptions about the owner of this snake with literally no information. I assume you want to sell it after you talk about making a business transaction and you flip out. Okay. Well maybe you should talk to this guy before you jump to any more biased conclusions.

If that's the way you interpreted what I said then that's your issue! I could care less about having it, my concern, whether you understand it or not, is the impact a bicephalic wandering garter snake can have on the hobby/ industry and veterinary medicine and science.

[Albert Clark]

[QUOTE=Tommytradix;268758]In this comment you made the assumption that if it don't get into "the right hands" it won't survive. Assuming he is ill equipped to care for it.

And here yowu assumed it would be a spectacle in a sideshow and not his personal pet.



What would be your intent with the leucistic? Would you also suggest i send the leucistic to a university and ask for my name on a plaque identifying me as a donor

[Albert Clark]

In this comment you made the assumption that if it don't get into "the right hands" it won't survive. Assuming he is ill equipped to care for it.


And here you assumed it would be a spectacle in a sideshow and not his personal pet.



What would be your intent with the leucistic? Would you also suggest i send the leucistic to a university and ask for my name on a plaque identifying me as a donor?

1: Purely my opinion and not a assumption. If you interpreted it as him being ill equipped to care for it then that's your interpretation. The right hands to me was IMO a Herpetological veterinary program / institution.

2:Again, my opinion and not a assumption. Your interpretation of my opinion.

3: My intent for the leucistic would be different than that of a bicephalic wandering garter snake that is a anomaly and would garner unparalleled excitement in a herpetological institution setting.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Let it go guys, it don't belong to any of us anyway so it really don't matter what we would do with it! No sense in an argument, lol!

[Albert Clark]

Let it go guys, it don't belong to any of us anyway so it really don't matter what we would do with it! No sense in an argument, lol!

It's gone! True. No argument, but I will stand strong for my opinions and my convictions. Thanks.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

It's good that you stand for what you believe in and i agree everyone should be able to voice there own opinion because this is the land of the free! It just looked like everyone was getting a little heated up, lol!

[Zdravko092368]

I wasn't heated, just defending a guy who can't defend himself because he seems like a very good guy and wants the best for the snake.

He also holds 4 world records and was on Americas got talent. Interesting dude.

[Zdravko092368]

Another two more two headed snakes were found today. A two-headed texas rat snake and a two headed Western ribbon snake. That's four I have seen found so far this month alone.

https://www.facebook.com/gloria.cantrell/videos/10207463672655561/

That's video above is for the ribbon.

[Jeff B]

Cool snake, it is very coincidental/ironic who found it. I think it would be interesting to own and observe, but not any value to me as a breeder, because polycephaly is not genetic in terms of a heritable trait. It's just a malfunction event during embryo development. The snake may or may not have long term issues regardless of who's hands it is in anyway. There is probably something for science to learn from that snake, but he could donate it after it dies too. Granted maybe more could potentially be learned while it is alive in terms of internal organ structures and figuring out the mechanism by which it formed two heads. I think if I found it I would keep it for a while just for the fun of it all, but soon it would be boring anyway and no point in breeding, so I would probably do as Albert suggests and find someone in the scientific community that would want to study it.
If it were genetic and you could potentially make lots of them AND if they were without issue, it would be an awesome breeding project, lol, but that's not probably ever going to prove to be the case.
Recessive two headed gene... hahaha
I would much rather see the scalesless gene circulating in the garter hobby. I think there would be a lot of beautiful combos produced. Just looking at the scaleless found in Tennessee this summer, I can only imagine how crisp and bold the colors would be on a erythristic scaleless eastern garter, not to mention no scales is just plain cool IMHO.
I am just glad that with the internet and Facebook increased availability via phone more people have access and we all get to enjoy seeing these mutants surface. We saw a lot of new things found in the wild this past couple years. I suspect this happened in the past too, but was just not as widely publicized.

[Zdravko092368]

I would much rather see the scaleless gene circulating in the garter hobby. I think there would be a lot of beautiful combos produced. Just looking at the scaleless found in Tennessee this summer, I can only imagine how crisp and bold the colors would be on a erythristic scaleless eastern garter, not to mention no scales is just plain cool IMHO.


I agree, I think some of the potential combination with scaleless and eastern garters would be absolutely amazing. Unfortunately scaleless have a very negative image in the hobby and people really seem to get angry about them and often times if you breed them you are considered immoral and money hungry.



I am just glad that with the internet and Facebook increased availability via phone more people have access and we all get to enjoy seeing these mutants surface. We saw a lot of new things found in the wild this past couple years. I suspect this happened in the past too, but was just not as widely publicized.

Indeed, so far garter wise this year I have seen an albino western ribbon, two headed western ribbon, two headed wandering, two headed radix, albino eastern(I own four juveniles from her), second albino eastern, scaleless eastern, leucistic eastern, high erythristic eastern, albino northwestern and probably some others I'm forgetting. Just browsing garter groups/snake ID groups on facebook.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I would love to work with scaleless and really wouldn't care what haters have to say, lol! Don't get me wrong i prefer them with scales, but scaleless are cool and would make some awesome combos.

[Tommytradix]

i love scaleless!