baby snake

[gartergabe]

so i got a new snake today and it keeps moving around the tank upside down is this common what is it and is there anything to help ive never seen a snake do this before1400314004

[indigoman]

Definitely not normal, possible neurological or dietary. I would isolate the snake till a cause is found. If it is some kind of parasite infestation.

[guidofatherof5]

Give us some history on the snake? What has it been fed? There might be a snake mite issue, best to check for that. Move it far away from any other snakes.

[Albert Clark]

Was this a wild caught individual also or captive born and bred? The first thing that comes to mind by looking at the pics is a thiamine deficiency. But the history is the key.

[guidofatherof5]

Was this a wild caught individual also or captive born and bred? The first thing that comes to mind by looking at the pics is a thiamine deficiency. But the history is the key.

I too thought about a possible B1 problem. If he knows about the diet that should give us some evidence.

[gartergabe]

I have no history on this snake I acquired it yesterday morning and it was doing it as soon as I took it out and put it in a tank I didn't think anything of it until everytime I checked on them it was doing this I'm not sure if it was dehydrated form the move or I was scaring it into a seizure or something but since then it has fed and drank water all infront of me and still continues to do it so I don't kno what's going on it is captive breed I kno that fersure and I was sent two pairs and this is the only one out of the four doing so I'm not sure if it was feed gold fish or what at this point I do plan to keep it and hope I can fix the problem but I'm still thinking it should be a pet only snake I don't want to pass this trait down if it has to do with the snakes genetics at all I talked to a vet so I might be bringing it in

[gartergabe]

An adult also sent to me witch I'm assuming here but I suspect to be the dad of the babies has a lump on the side of him when I asked about it I was told it was looked at by a vent and there wasn't any problem with it but was told vet could be wrong and after looking online last night I'm thinking its a worm in the snake I hope not cause the vet is charging 50 dollars upfront to see him and 45 per snake after the first one and I was sent 7 so I'm hoping there isn't anything wrong with the male but if so I'm thinking that's why the baby is acting case I have them all separated and away from the rest of my snakes I'm going to deworm at home on my own and bring the two with problems in and hope all works out

[guidofatherof5]

If you are not sure it is a worm I would not deworm. Che3mical treatments are risky in themselves. Posting a photo of the area will help us give some better opinions on what might be going on.

[Albert Clark]

When you say you "acquired" them what do you mean and from where? That is important. Maybe the lump is just a blister?

[gartergabe]

from a breeder online name not needed but ill post photos in a few and i hope its a blister but it looks too big to me

[gartergabe]

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sorry it took so long so what do you think and an update on the baby hes still moving upside down

[guidofatherof5]

In my opinion it is in a common location for a subcutaneous worm.

[Albert Clark]

Blisters are clear and whitish in color and fluid filled. This looks more suspicious. Does it feel soft or hard when you press on it? In either case, the definitive diagnosis will come from the exotic vet.

[Eddie]

Worm

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Ok, in my opinion that look's like a fluke (subcutaneous worm) which is very common in snakes fed live fish or wc individuals. In my understanding flukes have to be treated with praziquantal and usually the visual worms are removed from the animals skin. I don't think that panacur and flagyl will treat against this parasite. The male should be fine if treated, but that baby has some neuro issues and will probably never snap out of it. He can still live and survive, but will probably always be disoriented. If it is a vitamin b deficiency he probably won't survive. Good luck with them.

[Eddie]

Agreed and agreed. Good luck with the baby. I have had the Fluke issue many years ago when I feed minnows to snakes. I would wipe some ambesol on the area wait a few minutes then make a small incision with a scalpel then squeeze it like a zit. the worm would come out and i would slowly remove the whole thing with tweezers. Snake will heal completely in 2 or 3 sheds.

[gartergabe]

ok so idk why i did it but i listen and i cut a little incision in the side of the adult red phase male and sqweezed the bump never seen a worm but blood came out i cleaned the area before and after the bump seems to be slowly going away so im not sure if it was a blister or some type of cyst anyhow if there was a worm i didnt see i guess it could have moved i doubt it tho but i kno one thing forsure i will never to this at home again i plan to take him to the vet next week in the mean time he is on paper towels with polysporin looks like he lost a hole scale or two from me squeezing the fluid out do you think it will grow back

[BLUESIRTALIS]

It should heal just fine in a few sheds. Just make sure to keep him clean.

[Albert Clark]

ok so idk why i did it but i listen and i cut a little incision in the side of the adult red phase male and sqweezed the bump never seen a worm but blood came out i cleaned the area before and after the bump seems to be slowly going away so im not sure if it was a blister or some type of cyst anyhow if there was a worm i didnt see i guess it could have moved i doubt it tho but i kno one thing forsure i will never to this at home again i plan to take him to the vet next week in the mean time he is on paper towels with polysporin looks like he lost a hole scale or two from me squeezing the fluid out do you think it will grow back

Nice job. If it was a worm and you didn't see it it's possible that it was deeper. If there is a core that remains internally you will see it return. Hopefully that's not what it is. With the baby snake if you sprinkle his food ( if he's still eating) with multivitamins and that's truly what he has (vitamin b deficiency) that can be reversed. Usually over time but you should see improvements once he starts getting the vitamin into his system.

[Albert Clark]

Nice job. If it was a worm and you didn't see it it's possible that it was deeper. If there is a core that remains internally you will see it return. Hopefully that's not what it is. With the baby snake if you sprinkle his food ( if he's still eating) with multivitamins and that's truly what he has (vitamin b deficiency) that can be reversed. Usually over time but you should see improvements once he starts getting the vitamin into his system.

Also, I was referring to reptIle multivitamins just to be clear. Reptivite is one Tetra fauna also has a brand.

[gartergabe]

Also, I was referring to reptIle multivitamins just to be clear. Reptivite is one Tetra fauna also has a brand.

thanks man ill look online for some if it dosnt come intime i bet the vet will tell me what it is and give me the good stuff

[Eddie]

I'm glad you gave it a try! If the incision was small it will heal quickly if keep clean. Good luck!!

[Jeff B]

I would bet this baby snake is crawling upside down from either the breeder treating with mite treatment before shipping out or prophylactic mite treatment upon receiving. If I am wrong I'm wrong, but that would be my guess.

[gartergabe]

you could be right jeff if so it was from the sender i havent had mites or bought any mite treatment and i hope i never need too its good to kno that they can be dangerous the only time i ever seen it used was by brian on snakebytestv on youtube but it looked safe he took the snake and water out and sprayed the mite stuff not sure what brand but he waited i believe like 15 seconds later he had put the snake back i could be wrong on the time but it was really short witch made me believe it was safe if the snake was put back so fast on the other hand the baby snake dose still move upside down here and there but not as much as it used to so maybe it was caused from some treatment over dose or a vitamin b1 disinfectant diet before i got it anyhow its slowly showing signs of improvement so im hoping one of these days i have a healthy snake without any problems the adult that i cut open also seems to be healing fast and the bump almost all the way gone

[Jeff B]

good to hear, hoping for full recovery of both animals

[Albert Clark]

you could be right jeff if so it was from the sender i havent had mites or bought any mite treatment and i hope i never need too its good to kno that they can be dangerous the only time i ever seen it used was by brian on snakebytestv on youtube but it looked safe he took the snake and water out and sprayed the mite stuff not sure what brand but he waited i believe like 15 seconds later he had put the snake back i could be wrong on the time but it was really short witch made me believe it was safe if the snake was put back so fast on the other hand the baby snake dose still move upside down here and there but not as much as it used to so maybe it was caused from some treatment over dose or a vitamin b1 disinfectant diet before i got it anyhow its slowly showing signs of improvement so im hoping one of these days i have a healthy snake without any problems the adult that i cut open also seems to be healing fast and the bump almost all the way gone
That's where most keepers go wrong, putting the animal back into the enclosure to quickly. Also leaving water bowls in the enclosure and or putting them back in too soon. Your baby snake IMHO would have already succumbed to the pyrethrins (neurotoxin) if he was truly exposed. It is safe to wait a full 12 -24 hrs b4 placing the animal back into the enclosure.

[Tommytradix]

i have been using provent-a-mite for almost 3 years and never had a problem. i wait 1-2 hours before putting everything back in and only treat bedding used for adults and sub adults.