new find

[Blueboost68]

Picked this girl up field herping

[Eddie]

Very nice!!

[Albert Clark]

Unique looking garter! Maybe a t. Marcianus sub species. Nice find. Were you in Alabama when you found it?

[Blueboost68]

I found her in Mobile AL. I hope to pick up a male going back today.

[Blueboost68]

I found her in Mobile AL. I hope to pick up a male going back today.

[Albert Clark]

Good luck and I'm sure you will be successful.

[Blueboost68]

Thank you sir. Also thinks for the lead over on fanuna I dropped him a email. It was infernalis

[Blueboost68]

Went out for about an hour today and picked up a sirtalis about a foot long. I will post a few pics tomorrow.

[Zdravko092368]

That snake is awesome.

[Albert Clark]

Picked this girl up field herping
Blue, are you saying this female is T.S. infernalis?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Very nice erythristic eastern! I've always wanted some from alabama! They will make a nice breeding project and a new twist to the ery's in the hobby since most are from south carolina. Gotta love new bloodlines!

[Tommytradix]

Blue, are you saying this female is T.S. infernalis?
infernalis are only found on the california coast. this is a erythristic eastern. and a nice one at that. im sure with selective breeding he can get them super red

[Albert Clark]

The deep black spotting and head shape didn't strike me as a eastern. His coloration is also subdued for an erythrystic eastern. Infernalis I know aren't native to Alabama and that's why I asked where he was when he found it. T.S. infernalis is also found inland in California as well.

[Tommytradix]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13331&stc=1
the garter hes holding has reds. to date no red checkereds have been found

[Blueboost68]

No sir its sirtalis sirtalis.

[Blueboost68]

I think you misunderstood me look back at post 7. I was referring to the post you replied to over at fauna classified that it was infertalis.

[Blueboost68]

It's a girl now to find a mate for her.

[ssssnakeluvr]

absolutely t sirtalis sirtalis, eastern garter. they vary greatly in patterns and colors

[Albert Clark]

I think you misunderstood me look back at post 7. I was referring to the post you replied to over at fauna classified that it was infertalis.
Yes, thank you. That's all I needed was the clarification, bc when you mentioned the thank you for the referral, the next part of your sentence that I read was "it was infernalis". Thought you were referring to the wc.

[Albert Clark]

absolutely t sirtalis sirtalis, eastern garter. they vary greatly in patterns and colors
Correct Don! And they have areas where they encroach on other sirtalis subspecies as well. Intergrades exist as do wc highbrids. It's not a one way rigid formula approach as some suggest. It's not uncommon either for phenotypical appearances to be mistaken for something it isn't.

[Blueboost68]

No problem sometimes I am not even clear to myself much less others.

[Blueboost68]

Post 16 opps infernalis

[Tommytradix]

Correct Don! And they have areas where they encroach on other sirtalis subspecies as well. Intergrades exist as do wc highbrids. It's not a one way rigid formula approach as some suggest. It's not uncommon either for phenotypical appearances to be mistaken for something it isn't.

t.s.sirtalis and t.s.infernalis intergrades are impossible. hybrids, yes but not intergrades. their ranges are way too far apart. intergrade is the term used for crosses in the wild in a uncontrolled envirement. hybrid is the term used when humans purposely breed 2 different species/subspecies in a captive setting. as for the formula, you can do a scale count to find out the species/subspecies.

[FlameBoy]

Correction an integrade is when 2 sub speceis breed and a hybrid is when diffrent speceis breed
2 totally diffrent things both of which can happen in teh wild and have been recorded as such

[Albert Clark]

THANK YOU FB! There is no absolute one way rigid formula approach when it comes to intergrades and hybrids when its known by taxonomists and researchers, herpetologists that have been arguing these concepts for years. These reptiles have been traveling miles upon miles for appropriate hibernacula and foraging sites. Who knows where a specific species or sub species will wind up.