2016 Albino checkered....

[Albert Clark]

This morning I opened my albino checkered females tub and found that she is giving birth. I can't even count how many bc the hatchlings are all over the tub. Honestly, it looks like a number in the high 30's. Two years ago she delivered 24. Post pics later when she is done dropping. I will do a comparison photo as well in the patterning difference of the albino pastel checkered.

[Albert Clark]

Counted 36 scrubs. No deformities, deaths, or abnormalities in any that I see right now. One scrub was still in the sac but was able to push through when I switched him over to the new tub. :D He is in the middle of the tub.http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13205&stc=1http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13206&stc=1

[Albert Clark]

33 albino checkereds, 3 super albino checkereds total of 36 scrubs.http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13207&stc=1http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13208&stc=1 The first pic at 8:00 shows what i believe is a super albino checkered. There are 3 of those in this litter. Scrub that was stuck inside the amniotic membrane finally made it all the way out. He seems to be doing okay.

[Albert Clark]

The difference i see in the albino pastel checkered and the albino checkered are here: Darker overall hue to the body in the albino pastel and the longer markings to the back of the head and dorsal region just behind the head. Also, the more irregular spotted markings throughout the laterals, dorsals are less checkerboard like. The albino checkered has a lighter overall hue with more squared checkerboarding. The head markings are less sharp and more of a squared off appearance. The striping is also less apparent in the albino checkered. Here are the visual examples of each.http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13209&stc=1Albino pastel checkered on top. Albino checkered on the bottom (top pic). Super albino checkered speaks for itself in the bottom picture. A all white snake with minimal visible markings and very little coloration.http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13210&stc=1

[Speedmark]

They are beautiful!
If I lived a little closer to you I would have bought some. :)
They are hard to get by in The Netherlands. :'(

[Albert Clark]

They are beautiful!
If I lived a little closer to you I would have bought some. :)
They are hard to get by in The Netherlands. :'(
Thanks Speed! You have Mr. Steven Bol out in your neck of the woods though. Google him and i am sure he will have something special for you. He is one of the "garter snake pioneers". He has amazing animals in his collection. Good luck with contacting him.

[Speedmark]

Thanks Speed! You have Mr. Steven Bol out in your neck of the woods though. Google him and i am sure he will have something special for you. He is one of the "garter snake pioneers". He has amazing animals in his collection. Good luck with contacting him.

Thanks Albert, but he doesn't have albino checkered garters.
I have been to him and saw his collection. It was amazing! :)
He is the breeder I got my two virgatenuis from.

He said that about putting them together.

[Tommytradix]

congrats!! nice litter

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats.

[Albert Clark]

Thanks Albert, but he doesn't have albino checkered garters.
I have been to him and saw his collection. It was amazing! :)
He is the breeder I got my two virgatenuis from.

He said that about putting them together.


congrats!! nice litter


Congrats.
Thank you Steve. She really is a magnificent female.

[Albert Clark]

congrats!! nice litter

Thanks Tom. These scrubs are pretty active and I am so happy there was no deformities, deaths, or abnormalites.

[Albert Clark]

Thanks Albert, but he doesn't have albino checkered garters.
I have been to him and saw his collection. It was amazing! :)
He is the breeder I got my two virgatenuis from.

He said that about putting them together.

Got it! Steve is a garter snake pioneer who is very reputable and his word is not to be taken lightly. I would just like him to expound on it.

[Tommytradix]

Thanks Tom. These scrubs are pretty active and I am so happy there was no deformities, deaths, or abnormalites.
i had one stillborn in my litter. besides that it was a perfect litter. now im waiting on 2 more to drop this month then wait for my others

[Albert Clark]

i had one stillborn in my litter. besides that it was a perfect litter. now im waiting on 2 more to drop this month then wait for my others
Nice! I have a couple more I am waiting for also. Good luck.

[Speedmark]

Got it! Steve is a garter snake pioneer who is very reputable and his word is not to be taken lightly. I would just like him to expound on it.

Yeah I'd also like an explanation, I mailed him.
Maybe it's all a misunderstanding, we'll see what he has to say.
And otherwise time will tell.

I made a purchase on what he said back then, so I''m fairly sure about what he said.

[Albert Clark]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13232&stc=1Okay guys, my mistake! No way to have any supers in a litter of albino checkereds. There would have to be a co dominate trait at play to produce supers. Just got that info hot off the press! However ,with the pastels, this hatchling could most certainly be a super pastel checkered garter. The one on top came from pastel checkered parents and doesn't resemble the parents in coloration. At the least it should be albino pastel checkered. Still a fantastic holdback for sure. The difference from albino pastel to albino checkered is apparent. Thanks , sorry for the misinformation portrayed.

[Tommytradix]

i like the bottom one. the top does have a broken pattern looking at that pic. ive never worked with checkereds so couldnt tell you much lol if they are anything like radix they will change a lil in the next 2 months. theres alot of polymorphism in garters in general so everyone wont look the same all the time. alot of the work i do with radix is selecting those individuals that look different from the norm and line breed until the trait appears more frequently

[Albert Clark]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13233&stc=1
i like the bottom one. the top does have a broken pattern looking at that pic. ive never worked with checkereds so couldnt tell you much lol if they are anything like radix they will change a lil in the next 2 months. theres alot of polymorphism in garters in general so everyone wont look the same all the time. alot of the work i do with radix is selecting those individuals that look different from the norm and line breed until the trait appears more frequently
Thanks. Got it. One of the reasons i want to holdback the three i thought were supers. I have never seen a albino checkered this white in all my days working with them.

[Tommytradix]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13234&stc=1

​reminds me of how radix come out

[Eddie]

Awesome litter Albert!!

[Albert Clark]

Awesome litter Albert!!
Thanks E! The whole week and a half b4 she dropped this litter she looked like she was going to explode.