Albino Granite Checkered

[Albert Clark]

This is a Albino Granite Checkered Female that I am hoping to acquire for my breeding project for 2016 guys. Wish me luck! The adult male albino granite checkered is in brumating state and will be emerging at the end of the 90 day cycle.

[Eddie]

Very nice looking snake. Good luck!!

[Albert Clark]

Thanks Ed, hoping to get the ok to acquire her. The male has been brumating for 3 weeks now.

[AntTheDestroyer]

Albert I say this with the up most and respect and defer to you as the knowledgeable person, but aren't granites supposed to have reduced pattern? Maybe it is just the picture but that garter seems to have a pretty normal pattern for a albino checkered.

[Jeff B]

gorgeous snake Al, hope you make lots of albino granites.

[Qwerty3159]

Albert I say this with the up most and respect and defer to you as the knowledgeable person, but aren't granites supposed to have reduced pattern? Maybe it is just the picture but that garter seems to have a pretty normal pattern for a albino checkered.
I think it's just the picture and the angle. I noticed lots of pink-purple dots as opposed to checkers.

[Albert Clark]

Albert I say this with the up most and respect and defer to you as the knowledgeable person, but aren't granites supposed to have reduced pattern? Maybe it is just the picture but that garter seems to have a pretty normal pattern for a albino checkered.
Ant, I know it's possible to have a individual with a reduced pattern almost with any genetic combo even normals can present that way. I have a reduced pattern granite pastel. This granite has the flecks that are typical of the granite gene as opposed to the checkerboard typical in other checkereds. Thanks for the compliment but I am still learning and can stand corrected just like anyone else.

gorgeous snake Al, hope you make lots of albino granites.
Jeff, thanks. I sure hope to. I did take your advice and held back the reduced pattern granite pastel. You won't believe that that animal turned out to be a male!!! I guess you have e.s.p. When it comes to reptiles huh? Thanks again.

I think it's just the picture and the angle. I noticed lots of pink-purple dots as opposed to checkers.
Thanks Qwerty, I believe you are right bc I took the picture with my old iPad and it doesn't really show as vividly as I would like.

[Tommytradix]

She's huge! Thanks for posting her al. And good luck on acquiring her and breeding. Almost looks like a king snake lol

[Albert Clark]

Thanks Tom. I know she will be a nice addition to the party. Haha.

[Tommytradix]

Thanks Tom. I know she will be a nice addition to the party. Haha.
Your doing great work by bringing the checkereds back. ;^)

[Albert Clark]

Thanks. Can't mess with Eddie and you but yeah, it is a nice feeling. And I do really like that granite gene. I appreciate the kind words. So happy that the granite pastel is a male. I almost parted with him thinking he was female. Lucky that one got caught.

[AntTheDestroyer]

I didn't realize you had seen her in person and it is hard to tell much from the photo. Good luck in your take down and I can not wait to see what she produces.

[Albert Clark]

I didn't realize you had seen her in person and it is hard to tell much from the photo. Good luck in your take down and I can not wait to see what she produces.
Anthony, I haven't seen her in the physical form at all. I was going by the picture and there seems to be more speckling and flecks indicative of the granite checkered patterning and gene.

[Albert Clark]

I didn't realize you had seen her in person and it is hard to tell much from the photo. Good luck in your take down and I can not wait to see what she produces.

XRANK Yes Ant, the photo was a picture of a picture. That may be the reason the details of the animal are a bit fuzzy.

[Tommytradix]

Anthony, I haven't seen her in the physical form at all. I was going by the picture and there seems to be more speckling and flecks indicative of the granite checkered patterning and gene.
so its not verified that it has the granite gene and your going by phenotypical appearance? or did the person actually breed a granite to an albino then breed the offspring back? if so where are the others from the litter?

[FlameBoy]

i believe that snake is the normal albino i traded julio mercado and i believe thats his arm in the picture (from the tattoos) if im correct i traded him that female along withan adult male and a het albino female i say trade as their was no exchange od money except what i payed for the shipping label and im still waiting for the adult puget trio he never sent me.
Im saying this as if the seller of this snake is a mr.julio mercado i would question his every word as he is very distrustworthy

[Tommytradix]

Is it julio albert?!?!?! if so thats just a albino. no trace of the granite gen cause i seen that garter in person.

[Tommytradix]

Can you ask for a better pic? one with less light.

[Albert Clark]

so its not verified that it has the granite gene and your going by phenotypical appearance? or did the person actually breed a granite to an albino then breed the offspring back? if so where are the others from the litter?
The animal visibly is not a regular albino checkered and does have the flecking / speckling of the granite checkered pattern. I have not looked at the animal in the scale so to speak nor have I held this particular female. I was going with what the seller advertised him as and comparison to a normal albino checkered in a separate photo.

[Albert Clark]

Can you ask for a better pic? one with less light.
Yes , I am trying to arrange a meeting with the person who purchased this female from the original seller. Also attempting to get more recent photos.

[FlameBoy]

that is 100% percent guranteed julios forarm in the photo i know from his tattoos and that was my snake at 1 time and is nothing more then a normal albino that was purchased from a petsmart in 2011 originally and is pushing 7 years old now none the less a bad investment if your intentions are to breed her as she is very old and most likly complications would arrise.
Im just trying to save you the hassle of a dissapointment and giving you the true history on the snake as its apparent julio is not

[Albert Clark]

Is it julio albert?!?!?! if so thats just a albino. no trace of the granite gen cause i seen that garter in person.
I did see the normal albino checkered that was in a separate photo with this granite checkered female but it was quite apparent the differences in the two snakes. Dan, are you saying this animal ( photo) is a normal albino checkered or a inter grade of some kind? Clearly it's not a normal albino checkered garter.

[Tommytradix]

I did see the normal albino checkered that was in a separate photo with this granite checkered female but it was quite apparent the differences in the two snakes. Dan, are you saying this animal ( photo) is a normal albino checkered or a inter grade of some kind? Clearly it's not a normal albino checkered garter.

there is nothing "clear" about that photo. so clearly it can be misrepresented as well. i truely hope its not dans original female and this snake is fairly young but she dosent look like no spring chicken.lol do you have any background on her? like what pairing produced her or who originally produced her or her parents? all this is great information that should be known before a purchase like this.
can you show us the other photo your talking about? sorry if it seems like im attacking you but im trying to better understand the lineage of her genetics and if its julio he is shady so please be carefull dealing with him

[Albert Clark]

there is nothing "clear" about that photo. so clearly it can be misrepresented as well. i truely hope its not dans original female and this snake is fairly young but she dosent look like no spring chicken.lol do you have any background on her? like what pairing produced her or who originally produced her or her parents? all this is great information that should be known before a purchase like this.
can you show us the other photo your talking about? sorry if it seems like im attacking you but im trying to better understand the lineage of her genetics and if its julio he is shady so please be carefull dealing with him
Well, if Dan recognizes the animal as 1 he previously owned then it must be a "clear " picture to him. And I appreciate the help but no I don't feel like you are " attacking" me. I am trying to understand the exact genetics myself. This animal is not a "regular" albino checkered garter. Bought from Petsmart or not. The patterning is clearly "atypical" and not "normal or "regular" for a everyday albino checkered garter snake. That is all I am saying.

[Tommytradix]

Well, if Dan recognizes the animal as 1 he previously owned then it must be a "clear " picture to him. And I appreciate the help but no I don't feel like you are " attacking" me. I am trying to understand the exact genetics myself. This animal is not a "regular" albino checkered garter. Bought from Petsmart or not. The patterning is clearly "atypical" and not "normal or "regular" for a everyday albino checkered garter snake. That is all I am saying.
he recognizes the person holding the garter not the garter itself, because of the tattoos on the guys arm match julio's tattoos he is assuming its the same checkered he sold him awhile back. to me i can see a lil bit of abberant patterning but the photo has too much light that washed out the pattern. i hope you get to see her in person and can verify that it is indeed a granite albino and are able to breed her this spring. i also want to add that you have to be careful buying adults from anybody cause you never know if they are very old or throw slugs every year and are non breeders. up until this year i always sold my adults after they gave me 2 litters but i want to start keeping long term breeders.

[FlameBoy]

that snake pictured was the snake i sent julio and that is julio holding it and as for it being an albino granite can anyone on this forum say that their has been an albino granite ever produced let alone a large adult female popping up out of nowere?
If im wrong then so be if the snakes genetics hold true to what you state then thats a fantastic break through for the checkered species and hobbyists.
All im really trying to say here is that the arm holding that snake belongs to julio and that snake belonged to me at one time in which it was sent to julio and he never held up his end of the trade.
I never had much interest in checkereds to pay attention to it even possibly having an off pattern but i can say for certain that snake pictured is the one i traded him
with that said ive said enougha nd will remain silent on this thread
good luck in your endevours albert and tommy keep up all the hard work and hopefully you create some new designer morphs this season i know i will keep an eye out for your adds and im sure you will see mine soon as i have 3 gravid girls here swelling up fast.
HAPPY NEW YEAR

[Albert Clark]

that snake pictured was the snake i sent julio and that is julio holding it and as for it being an albino granite can anyone on this forum say that their has been an albino granite ever produced let alone a large adult female popping up out of nowere?
If im wrong then so be if the snakes genetics hold true to what you state then thats a fantastic break through for the checkered species and hobbyists.
All im really trying to say here is that the arm holding that snake belongs to julio and that snake belonged to me at one time in which it was sent to julio and he never held up his end of the trade.
I never had much interest in checkereds to pay attention to it even possibly having an off pattern but i can say for certain that snake pictured is the one i traded him
with that said ive said enougha nd will remain silent on this thread
good luck in your endevours albert and tommy keep up all the hard work and hopefully you create some new designer morphs this season i know i will keep an eye out for your adds and im sure you will see mine soon as i have 3 gravid girls here swelling up fast.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Thanks for all your help Dan and Tommy! Happy New Year! I plan on investigating and doing my research on this particular animal. Bill Black in Philadelphia is dealing with some granite checkered projects and I will check with him as soon as I can. Good luck with your projects and I will keep an eye out for your productions as well. Some of my adults will be coming out of hibernation in January 2016 and I plan to have a nice selection of marcianus, concinnus, hopefully some blue pickeringi as well. Thanks again for the heads up I appreciate it.

[AntTheDestroyer]

I am glad we were at least able to let Albert know he must procede with caution. This group has a lot of great members and I would hate to see someone get ripped off.

[Tommytradix]

that snake pictured was the snake i sent julio and that is julio holding it and as for it being an albino granite can anyone on this forum say that their has been an albino granite ever produced let alone a large adult female popping up out of nowere?
If im wrong then so be if the snakes genetics hold true to what you state then thats a fantastic break through for the checkered species and hobbyists.
All im really trying to say here is that the arm holding that snake belongs to julio and that snake belonged to me at one time in which it was sent to julio and he never held up his end of the trade.
I never had much interest in checkereds to pay attention to it even possibly having an off pattern but i can say for certain that snake pictured is the one i traded him
with that said ive said enougha nd will remain silent on this thread
good luck in your endevours albert and tommy keep up all the hard work and hopefully you create some new designer morphs this season i know i will keep an eye out for your adds and im sure you will see mine soon as i have 3 gravid girls here swelling up fast.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
what females are gravid?

[Jeff B]

albino granites aren't anything new, that combo was made years ago. I don't know if the one is question is or not, because the picture is really blurry, but it is certainly possible for adult albino granites to be out there.

[Tommytradix]

albino granites aren't anything new, that combo was made years ago. I don't know if the one is question is or not, because the picture is really blurry, but it is certainly possible for adult albino granites to be out there.
not saying its impossible saying dude holding the snake is well........ a snake!

[Albert Clark]

Hey guys , hope everyone had a memorable New Years celebration. I did. The investigation into the albino granite checkered female is slow going but I am still at it. The contact info I have is leading me down a path to nowhere. I cannot seem to find out exactly who has this female at the present time. Bill Black has been hard to get in contact with as well. I am determined to get to the bottom of this soon. I have been busy with a couple other projects too. I guess it only ends when you want it to end. As far as Julio Mercado is concerned, never met him never spoke to him. All the info I received on the albino granite female was from the pictorial and the advertisement. The saga continues. Haha.

[Albert Clark]

My research and efforts to track down the albino granite checkered female is going nowhere. I will be producing my own albino granites in the near future but probably won't be 2016 unfortunately. I did find out that the animal sold for 300.00 (way above the price of any albino checkered). Anyway, too much drama detracting from my progress. Thanks Tom and Dan for all the heads up. The blue puget project is still on my list. To be continued..... Haha

[Tommytradix]

id rather see you put in the work n make it happen then take a short cut albert. it makes it that much more special when you do produce them. my breedings have been slow going only 3 females gravid so far and one that just bred so we will see if she took.

[Albert Clark]

Good luck! Just got the last of my breeders out of hibernation. Rewarming everybody over the last two days. Pastels het granite, albino checkereds, red spotteds all checked out well and made it through the 3 months.