Is this a thamnophis sirtalis parietalis

[gazzamann]

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12688so after a while out of the hobby (a little 7 month break) I have purchased a red sided garter thamnophis sirtalis parietalis just to confirm is this really what I have purchased from the picture . Many thanks gary

[guidofatherof5]

I would say no, that isn't a Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis - Red-sided garter. Could you post a few more photos showing face, neck and lateral areas, Please.

[gazzamann]

Thanks Steve yes I will get a few more pics tomorrow and post them appreciate that reply :)

[Albert Clark]

Definitely not a t.s.parietalis.

[Jeff B]

Nope. Sure seems to be a lot of mis-representation lately.

[gazzamann]

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[gazzamann]

Here's a few more pictures hope they help and somebody can help thanks in advance

[Tommytradix]

Looks like a ribbon. Man that snake is skinny lol

[guidofatherof5]

Ribbon Snake(no parietal spots) Maybe Thamnophis sauritus (Eastern Ribbon Snake)

[indigoman]

That's my guess, Steve

[guidofatherof5]

What are you feeding? Posting some close up photos of the face from the side will let us do a scale count. A good focused photo of the lateral will also be nice. The lateral stripe is on dorsal scale row 3 and 4. Supralabials 7 (rarely 8)

[guidofatherof5]

What are you feeding?

[Rushthezeppelin]

Little string needs some earthworms shoved down his gullet ><

[gazzamann]

Thanks for the replies everyone and pet shop was feeding Lance fish I have now converted to scented pinky . So looks like he she is a ribbon i will try and get more better close up pictures . Thanks once again

[Rushthezeppelin]

They obviously weren't feeding him enough fish >< Looks more like a coachwhip than a garter right now poor thing : / Throw some earthworms in here and there for a snack, he'll probably love em (make sure they are nightcrawlers and not red wigglers).

[guidofatherof5]

Ribbons can be a little difficult to get take worms. They are more into aquatic foods. I had
some success by scenting the worms with tilapia or salmon. Same goes for pinkies.

[gazzamann]

He had two bits of scented pinky the other day I have only had him since Wednesday myself but will offer food every other day . Thanks for all the advice and tips it's much appreciated ��

[Albert Clark]

I concur. Common ribbon snake!

[Mommy2many]

They love fish. My two ribbons eat pinkies but their love is fish. Try silversides.

[guidofatherof5]

I concur. Common ribbon snake!

Not Common, but "common" would be better.;)

[gazzamann]

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Here's a few more hope these help I have come to terms it's a ribbon just not sure which 1 . Cheers

[guidofatherof5]

The thread I linked will give you and idea of the photos needed to do a scale count.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/8992-snake-id-scale-counting.html

[gazzamann]

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Is that any better also what's possibly that on left side of mouth could that be mouth rot ? Thanks

[guidofatherof5]

Not infectious stomatitis - mouth rot. Could be a retained upper labial scale. They tend to pull the lip up. Your photos are better but I can't get an accurate count.

[gazzamann]

Could it possibly be aThamnophis sauritus sackenii ?

[guidofatherof5]

Could it possibly be aThamnophis sauritus sackenii ?

According to "The Garter Snake - Evolution and Ecology page 250, T. s. sackenii has 8 supralabials (upper-labials).

I count 9 supralabials on your snake.

[indigoman]

Yes, the sackeni has 8 supralabials where as the sauritas has 7.

[guidofatherof5]

Yes, the sackeni has 8 supralabials where as the sauritas has 7.

Would you verify my supralabials scale count, please.

[gazzamann]

I count 9 right to the tip of the nose but I thought you didn't count last 1 at its the InR internasorostal contact p.s I just purchased a copy of the garter snakes evolution and ecology from amazon still getting the hang of it tho lol thanks for the replies guys

[gazzamann]

Do you count the 1 on the end (the nose if you like)? Thanks