breeding

[KashGarter27]

What is the outcome of breeding a red side that have the gene for anethrystic and blue bred to a golden red side

[Albert Clark]

Well, I think your odds are very high bc you are talking about a animal that is double het for something bred to another animal who is het. IDK how the dominant gene would play out here. I believe anethrystic is recessive and so is the blue. Golden red side idk. Jeff or shawn and maybe Tommie will have better information.

[d_virginiana]

What do you mean 'blue', what morph are you talking about? Also, what do you mean by 'golden'? If you don't know what morph you're talking about pictures might be helpful; morphs represent a certain collection of genes, so it's important to know the name of the morph you're talking about.

The only red-sided garters I'm aware of that have any actual blue on them are California red-sideds, which are a different species than red-sideds (I may be wrong; I don't keep up with red-sided morphs since I don't keep that species). You're not talking about breeding two different species together, right?

I don't want to jump on you if you're just looking for information, since that's how you learn, but if you're actually considering breeding I would recommend waiting until you know a little more about morphs and genetics and what traits your snakes actually have. If you breed without knowing what genes the offspring might have you'll have a really hard time advertising and selling them.

If you're unsure about what morphs your snakes are, post some pics and people on here can tell you.

[Albert Clark]

The Oregon red spotted has a recessive blue phase. The Calif. red sided I am not sure about whether they have a blue phase or not. They do resemble each other in various locales. I, certainly don't know for sure that's why I left it up to Jeff , Shawn and Tommie to qualify this.

[slipknot711]

im just here to read the comments as ive never heard of a golden red side or a blue for that matter. but i also do not keep them

[Albert Clark]

im just here to read the comments as ive never heard of a golden red side or a blue for that matter. but i also do not keep them

Yeah Ashley I am not sure about that one either. The Oregon red spotteds have a blue belly coloration as well. Some do. And I know there is a anethrystic red sided. Thamnophis sirtalis concinnus is the red spotted genus. Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis is the Calif. red sided. Golden ? idk.

[indigoman]

Scott feltzer has blue red sided garters, T.parietalis, it is a color morph. I believe the goldens are his easterns he has.

[d_virginiana]

Yeah, I've only heard of golden easterns. So far I've not seen that morph for any other species.

[Albert Clark]

I think Jeff bred a erythrystic to a golden thus golden erythrystic. But the golden red sided idk. I believe that breeding (erythrystic golden) was done recently too.

[Dan72]

I'm not sure where KashGarter aquired their animals, but Felzer on his website has golden and blue red sided garters. If you check out his site under price list you can see pics of all these animals. But again I don't know if that's what we are talking about here, if these animals are even in hand. Do you have these animals now Kash or just thinking of future pairings? As to what would be produced by such a pairing if the animals are in hand, I would say you end up with a bunch of normal looking scrubs possibly het for many things. The fun would start when you put the hets back to one another.

[d_virginiana]

Wow, I just went and checked those. Some nice looking animals. Are the 'golden' and 'blue' morphs fairly new? I don't really keep up with the non-eastern morphs but I don't remember those being available a couple years ago last time I bought from him. Could have just overlooked it but it seems like the red-sided variety has increased quite a bit.

Just curious, what are the genetics behind those traits? I'm aware of how they work in Easterns (assuming they would be analogous to golden and Florida blue morphs), but the golden especially seems to be something different going on than in the golden easterns.

[d_virginiana]

btw I apologize for sounding snippy in my first post. It's been a long day, and I should've been more up-to-date on red-sided morphs before saying anything.

[slipknot711]

Lora i should apologize myself. after rereading the whole thread i realize i may have sounded sassy.

[KashGarter27]

I bought the snakes from Felzer

[BUSHSNAKE]

there was a parietalis that had no red that had "golden" or yellowish flecks as appose to red that was from a wild caught female that scott got from don belnap. Scott named it "golden". it never proved to be recessive or codominant so you don't see it anywhere...its history lol

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I thought i remembered the golden red sided being a codom, but who knows i focus mostly on easterns and a few others. I've never worked with parietalis, but i might someday. The blue redsideds are cool and i love the albinos.
there was a parietalis that had no red that had "golden" or yellowish flecks as appose to red that was from a wild caught female that scott got from don belnap. Scott named it "golden". It never proved to be recessive or codominant so you don't see it anywhere...its history lol

[joeysgreen]

I agree with Dan. If you combine three different recessive traits, you're just going to get animals heterozygous for each. Of the three morph's, the blue gene might not be a true recessive and you may see it represented somewhat in the offspring phenotypes; likely in a lesser degree than if you had bred two blues together. As directed above, breeder more familiar with each morph might have a more specific answer.

[BUSHSNAKE]

I thought i remembered the golden red sided being a codom, but who knows i focus mostly on easterns and a few others. I've never worked with parietalis, but i might someday. The blue redsideds are cool and i love the albinos.
i know it says codom on scotts website but im not sure if thats correct...so yeah who knows,another mystery??? you would think you'd see more of them. maybe scott would be so kind and chime in and give some history