Who wants to see a bucket of golden erythristic ice cream?

[Jeff B]

One of my golden females had 19 babies today. The sire was black and red erythristic. Some of the babies look like they will be nice erythristics. All the babies are 100% het golden.
Pics of parents and then the ice cream bucket of babies.
Hopefully in a couple years will be able to create some orange snakes with black speckles.

[indigoman]

Great potential! Congratulations.

[Tommytradix]

Very nice!

[Jeff B]

make that 20 babies. One more beautiful erythristic. Now I think she is done.

[Albert Clark]

Congrats Jeff! They all look fantastic especially the ones showing that erythrystic coloration already.

[Eddie]

Thats an awesome litter my friend!! Good luck with them!!

[Dan72]

WOW! I'm sold, that sire is amazing and the mother of the litter is pretty cool as well. So the golden Jeff works like an albino? If you had a pair of the hets that litter would produce golden? Very nice litter, awesome!

[Jeff B]

WOW! I'm sold, that sire is amazing and the mother of the litter is pretty cool as well. So the golden Jeff works like an albino? If you had a pair of the hets that litter would produce golden? Very nice litter, awesome!

The golden has proven to be a simple recessive gene, so if you breed 100% gets to each other roughly 25% of the babies would be golden.

[Jeff B]

Thanks for the comments guys. These babies have the potential to create a new combo, one that I believe has the potential to be quite striking, a nearly solid orange snake with small black flecks. What is also exciting to me is what would that orange look like, because something between the golden and the red-orange of the erythristic may possibly a "sunkissed" bright yellow-orange or it could result in a hot pink.....who knows? Either way should be a lot of color with the reduced black pattern.

[slipknot711]

fantastic!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Congrats man! Are you keeping all the scrubs?

[Jeff B]

Congrats man! Are you keeping all the scrubs?

No, I will probably sell most of them. I will probably keep a few of the reddest ones and sell the rest. Even the low red ones have the potential to produce incredible snakes. I'm thinking $200 each would be a fair price considering they have the potential to produce a new combo and how rare they are. Even the het goldens without red have cool bright patterns.

[RicMartin]

Very cool, congrats!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Hey jeff, you still have some of these guys?

[Zdravko092368]

Please tell me you still have visual goldens and hets. This morph can not be lost from the hobby, it is my favorite and has tons of potential.

[Eddie]

There's some stuff floating around :)

[Jeff B]

I kept 10, sold the rest. I don't think they will be quite big enough to breed this spring because I haven't been power feeding them but we will see.

[Albert Clark]

Well, slower growth is usually better for the animal and i know you are aware of that. Wish i had room to secure a few and as soon as i do, i want a trio. :)

[Zdravko092368]

I kept 10, sold the rest. I don't think they will be quite big enough to breed this spring because I haven't been power feeding them but we will see.

Thanks for the update, glad to read it, would definitely like to pick up a golden one day.

Are you planning to produce any normal goldens?

[Jeff B]

Even breeding the erythristic het goldens to each other will produce variable amounts of erythrism and some will be practically normal or golden, but will never be pure golden only. From that breeding approximately 25% of the babies will be golden the rest will be normals, and all will have variable amounts of red. So even within the babies that are goldens they will have various amounts of additional influence from the eyrthristic flame.
Hope that all makes sense.
This is based on past knowledge of how these genes behave, yet who knows what the extreme end of the erythristic flame golden will look like. I think it will be a glowing solid orange snake with tiny black flecks. IMHO this could potentially be the most awesome looking garter snake ever produced, but everyone has their own opinions and different color and pattern preferences.