Whats cooking?

[NinyaCap]

If you're selling, I'm definitely interested when they're ready. They look nice Albert, congratulations! :)

[Albert Clark]

Congrats albert! Thanks Shawn! The male was more than ready and willing to pass his genes on and I thank you for him.

[Tommytradix]

Congrats Albert!!!
Wow dad is awesome looking!

Shaun Hayes has 2 litters coming any day now. He had about 70 infernalis last season. His big female double clutches lol

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Jeff's right most if not all of the Panichi lines did originate from Scott. This male was from the high white animals he had. I think Jeff might have had some from the high white line as well.
Congrats Al, great litter, I am glad someone is producing those this year, doesn't look like I will be having any infernalis babies this season. BTW I believe Pianchi got his stock from Scott Felzer as well so they are descendants from the same line but with several people breeding there is quite a bit of diversity circulating in the hobby now, and your babies coming from parents from different people is a good thing to add to the genetic diversity. Not sure how many will ever come from wild at this point so it's good to keep them going strong in captivity.

[Albert Clark]

Congrats Albert!!!
Wow dad is awesome looking!

Shaun Hayes has 2 litters coming any day now. He had about 70 infernalis last season. His big female double clutches lol
Thanks Tom. He is a good looking animal. I'll hold off on the double clutching bc this is this female's first litter and I don't want to stress her even though I think she could handle it. That's amazing Shaun got that kind of production out of his big Infernalis girl.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Second litter born, alexander anery 100% het fl albino x sib 100% het fl albino. She dropped 9 huge babies, 2 albinos, and 7 66% hets and some may color up anery. The albinos look really neat almost blizzard like. We shall see how the anery and fl albino will mix. Remember the anery is codom and colors up over time like the erythristic morph.

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[guidofatherof5]

Sweeet! Great looking scrubs. Congrats.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Thanks Steve! I can't wait to see how they color up
Second litter born, alexander anery 100% het fl albino x sib 100% het fl albino. She dropped 9 huge babies, 2 albinos, and 7 66% hets and some may color up anery. The albinos look really neat almost blizzard like. We shall see how the anery and fl albino will mix. Remember the anery is codom and colors up over time like the erythristic morph.

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[Eddie]

Awesome litter Shawn!!!!!

[Wxdzy]

this time of year everyone gets so excited about all the new stuff, its like snake Christmas!!

[Albert Clark]

Way to work those codom genes Shawn! Congrats. They look amazing!

[Albert Clark]

Blue pugets scrubs pushed their way into existence this morning. I see about 3 so far without really disturbing mom who is still actively in labor. I also see about 3 stillborns. More info to come later. Wow! Unbelievable how long these babies are compared to Infernalis. Pics later also.

[Albert Clark]

Well it looks like I have ended up with 4 stillborns and 3 live good looking scrubs. Amazing little baby blue pugets. I love it. Definitely have to hold one of them back. Hopefully a female. Didn't sex them yet for sure but it does look like two girls and a boy. Hahaha.

[guidofatherof5]

Blue pugets scrubs pushed their way into existence this morning. I see about 3 so far without really disturbing mom who is still actively in labor. I also see about 3 stillborns. More info to come later. Wow! Unbelievable how long these babies are compared to Infernalis. Pics later also.

Please keep us posted.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Did you notice how big they are, lol!
way to work those codom genes shawn! Congrats. They look amazing!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Congrats albert!
blue pugets scrubs pushed their way into existence this morning. I see about 3 so far without really disturbing mom who is still actively in labor. I also see about 3 stillborns. More info to come later. Wow! Unbelievable how long these babies are compared to infernalis. Pics later also.

[Eddie]

Congrats Albert!!

[Albert Clark]

1461614617Amazing little blue scrubs that seem like they have already been here. Haha. They really appear to all be females. Definitely 1 holdback for sure.

[Albert Clark]

Did you notice how big they are, lol! Yes, I did notice right away. They are huge and long! I may double clutch this pair. Jk. Lol.

[Tommytradix]

Congrats Shawn and albert!!
I'm having a less than ideal breeding season lol although the litters I've had so far are great litters and all were held back. I have 10 more litters to go and hopefully 2 of my kings will lay for me.

[Tommytradix]

My snow had 3 live and 3 stills last weekend. She was bred to a b&w axanthic and a T+
Albino. I won't know which one did the deed until I breed them. They are 1.2

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[Tommytradix]

Here's the babies from the b&w x snow 100%
Het blue axanthic pairing. Their dorsal stripes are coloring up very nice.

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[Albert Clark]

Nice productions there Tom! They all look amazing.

[Eddie]

Congrats Tom!! Good luck with the others!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

3rd litter born 22 very nice little Similis!

[Zdravko092368]

Congrats, love similis!

[guidofatherof5]

3rd litter born 22 very nice little Similis!

Congrats.

[Jeff B]

3rd litter born 22 very nice little Similis!
Nice sized litter, congrats!

[Eddie]

Congrats Shawn!!!

[Eddie]

8th litter born! One of my double het Kentucky albino/West Virginia anery had a small litter. 2 Anery and one normal 66% double het albino/anery. I am excited for this litter because it makes me think that pure white eastern snows are right around the corner. Congrats to everyone that had scrubs this season!!

[guidofatherof5]

8th litter born! One of my double het Kentucky albino/West Virginia anery had a small litter. 2 Anery and one normal 66% double het albino/anery. I am excited for this litter because it makes me think that pure white eastern snows are right around the corner. Congrats to everyone that had scrubs this season!!

Awesome.

[Zdravko092368]

8th litter born! One of my double het Kentucky albino/West Virginia anery had a small litter. 2 Anery and one normal 66% double het albino/anery. I am excited for this litter because it makes me think that pure white eastern snows are right around the corner. Congrats to everyone that had scrubs this season!!

Hopefully you can produce pure white easterns, that would be awesome. Then you can experiment and cross the mocha snows with a white snow and see what happens lol.

[Albert Clark]

3rd litter born 22 very nice little Similis! Grats Shawn! Florida blue coming through. Alrighty.. Amazing.

[Albert Clark]

First look at these blue puget scrubs after several meals. They are headed for greatness! Lol.14630

[Albert Clark]

Wow! Third litter born now actively happening! Baby albino checkereds. So far I see five live scrubs and no stills or jellies as of yet.14631

[guidofatherof5]

Great, congrats.

[Albert Clark]

Great, congrats. Total born was 7 healthy and 1 still. I'll take it! She was a yearling female (14 months old) and first timer as was the sire.

[Eddie]

Awesome!! Congrats!!

[Eddie]

It's that time of year again! Who is planning what for this spring? Good luck to all breeders!!

[Albert Clark]

I am going to give my girls off this season and raise up some late 2017 hatchlings to sell. Hope to have some projects in the works in 2018. Also working on my ball python projects now.

[Eddie]

Good luck Albert!!

[Albert Clark]

Good luck Albert!!

Thanks, I will need it for my upcoming projects for sure. Best of luck to you and all the other breeders too.

[Zdravko092368]

It's that time of year again! Who is planning what for this spring? Good luck to all breeders!!

In the fridge right now I have a WC Ontario melanistic female and WC Ontario albino male as well as a pair of pure Quebec flames, a male melanistic with a het melanistic female and a pair of single striped Santa Cruz garters.

[Eddie]

In the fridge right now I have a WC Ontario melanistic female and WC Ontario albino male as well as a pair of pure Quebec flames, a male melanistic with a het melanistic female and a pair of single striped Santa Cruz garters.

Sounds like some nice stuff!! Best of luck!!

[Albert Clark]

Nice work there Zdrav!

[sirtalis01]

Next breeding season will be a busy one of alot of us...
Garters that im planing on breeding
1, Eastern blacknecks
2, Blue axanthic plains
3, Black and white axanthic plains
4, Albino plains T+/ T-
5, Anerythristic plains
6, Red albino plains
7, Snow plains
8, Blizzard plains
9, pearl plains
10, Santa cruz one stripe
11, Albino checkereds
12, Granite checkerds
13, Hypo/pastel checkereds
14, Albino Granite
15, Albino Kansas red side
16, Albino eastern
17, Erythristic eastern
18, Flame eastern
19,Crimson Erythristic eastern
20, California red side
21, Black and white axanthic wanderings
22, Oregon red spotted
23, Melanistic eastern

*Some mexican species
1, Thamnophis eques virgatenuis
2, Thamnophis eques obscurus albinos
3, Thamnophis eques obscurus
4, Thamnophis eques patzcuaroensis
5, Thamnophis eques cuitzeoensis
5,Thamnophis melanogaster canescens melanistics

[Eddie]

Good luck Julio!!!!
Lets do some trading this year!

[Eddie]

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I hope I did this right. This pick is an Anery eastern 100% het for Kentucky albino. It turns out that this gene is partially co-Dom. I say that meaning that the the mother was Kentucky albino and the father was Anery. I got the Anery from Shawn and he told me some of the babies would turn anery. Well despite my disbelief he was right!! About half of the babies turned Anery. Joe, if you read this I use the term “Anery” lightly because I know it’s not entirely correct but it works in the garter world. Lol. Anyway i hope that this may lead to pure white snow easterns at some point because the Kentucky albino is T- albino. I have some adults from the original breeding so i should get Kentucky albinos, het albinos, het anery’s and hopefully a clean white snow or two’

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful.

[Eddie]

Thanks Steve!!

[Jeff B]

Very nice Julio, looks like you have a little bit of everything cooking this spring.


Next breeding season will be a busy one of alot of us...
Garters that im planing on breeding
1, Eastern blacknecks
2, Blue axanthic plains
3, Black and white axanthic plains
4, Albino plains T+/ T-
5, Anerythristic plains
6, Red albino plains
7, Snow plains
8, Blizzard plains
9, pearl plains
10, Santa cruz one stripe
11, Albino checkereds
12, Granite checkerds
13, Hypo/pastel checkereds
14, Albino Granite
15, Albino Kansas red side
16, Albino eastern
17, Erythristic eastern
18, Flame eastern
19,Crimson Erythristic eastern
20, California red side
21, Black and white axanthic wanderings
22, Oregon red spotted
23, Melanistic eastern

*Some mexican species
1, Thamnophis eques virgatenuis
2, Thamnophis eques obscurus albinos
3, Thamnophis eques obscurus
4, Thamnophis eques patzcuaroensis
5, Thamnophis eques cuitzeoensis
5,Thamnophis melanogaster canescens melanistics

[Jeff B]

Awesome project Eddie, that "anery" snake is awesome looking. So they all start off looking normal or are some a little darker and then they progressively get darker? Maybe hypermelanistic would be better naming, but not trying to start a debate.



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I hope I did this right. This pick is an Anery eastern 100% het for Kentucky albino. It turns out that this gene is partially co-Dom. I say that meaning that the the mother was Kentucky albino and the father was Anery. I got the Anery from Shawn and he told me some of the babies would turn anery. Well despite my disbelief he was right!! About half of the babies turned Anery. Joe, if you read this I use the term “Anery” lightly because I know it’s not entirely correct but it works in the garter world. Lol. Anyway i hope that this may lead to pure white snow easterns at some point because the Kentucky albino is T- albino. I have some adults from the original breeding so i should get Kentucky albinos, het albinos, het anery’s and hopefully a clean white snow or two’

[BUSHSNAKE]

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I hope I did this right. This pick is an Anery eastern 100% het for Kentucky albino. It turns out that this gene is partially co-Dom. I say that meaning that the the mother was Kentucky albino and the father was Anery. I got the Anery from Shawn and he told me some of the babies would turn anery. Well despite my disbelief he was right!! About half of the babies turned Anery. Joe, if you read this I use the term “Anery” lightly because I know it’s not entirely correct but it works in the garter world. Lol. Anyway i hope that this may lead to pure white snow easterns at some point because the Kentucky albino is T- albino. I have some adults from the original breeding so i should get Kentucky albinos, het albinos, het anery’s and hopefully a clean white snow or two’

That anery, i mean melanistic:p lol, looks alot like the chicago i found. I believe there is a boa morph that starts off looking normal and gradually turns black too.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Awesome project Eddie, that "anery" snake is awesome looking. So they all start off looking normal or are some a little darker and then they progressively get darker? Maybe hypermelanistic would be better naming, but not trying to start a debate.

Have you finally come around Jeff, took long enough:p maybe i should get back into garters so we could talk morphs again lol

[BLUESIRTALIS]

14841Disbelief? What! I speak the truth and nothing but the truth, lol! Nice looking snake Ed! I would also like to add that this lineage is from the West Virginia Anery that Scott had so it's completely unrelated to mine from Pickens County SC. I bred mine to a Florida Albino and then bred an Anery male 100% het Fl albino x 100% het Fl albino and had a litter of 2 albino and 7 66% hets, but no snows as of yet. My thinking is if the Anery/hypermel/ what ever you want to call them are codom and color up over time like the erythristics then I don't know if we can make a snow with them. I still want to breed Anery to Anery and see if there is a super form or something! One of the albinos was very light in color.




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I hope I did this right. This pick is an Anery eastern 100% het for Kentucky albino. It turns out that this gene is partially co-Dom. I say that meaning that the the mother was Kentucky albino and the father was Anery. I got the Anery from Shawn and he told me some of the babies would turn anery. Well despite my disbelief he was right!! About half of the babies turned Anery. Joe, if you read this I use the term “Anery” lightly because I know it’s not entirely correct but it works in the garter world. Lol. Anyway i hope that this may lead to pure white snow easterns at some point because the Kentucky albino is T- albino. I have some adults from the original breeding so i should get Kentucky albinos, het albinos, het anery’s and hopefully a clean white snow or two’

[BUSHSNAKE]

14841Disbelief? What! I speak the truth and nothing but the truth, lol! Nice looking snake Ed! I would also like to add that this lineage is from the West Virginia Anery that Scott had so it's completely unrelated to mine from Pickens County SC. I bred mine to a Florida Albino and then bred an Anery male 100% het Fl albino x 100% het Fl albino and had a litter of 2 albino and 7 66% hets, but no snows as of yet. My thinking is if the Anery/hypermel/ what ever you want to call them are codom and color up over time like the erythristics then I don't know if we can make a snow with them. I still want to breed Anery to Anery and see if there is a super form or something! One of the albinos was very light in color.

You may not be able to make a snow but maybe a vanishing pattern amel perhaps?

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!! The litter pretty much all looked similar at birth. I held back the whole litter and about half of them started to get dark after the first year. Now after 2 years the difference is unbelievable!! The father of the litter was very dark and was also poss het Schuett snow. I think he must of actually been het because last spring a very dark baby was born from one of the het females. The snake was just about like what most of us consider a melanistic at birth. To me it showed signs of pattern but I think I was just being optimistic. Jeff thought it was a Mel right off the bat. I think he was right. It did not survive for me to verify over time. Hopefully I can produce a bunch this year and get a real handle on the potential. I will keep you all posted!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

That's what I'm hoping for! I have the 2 amels so we shall see how they color up.


You may not be able to make a snow but maybe a vanishing pattern amel perhaps?

[Eddie]

It's very possible to get a vanishing pattern amel from these guys!!

[Zdravko092368]

I put 2.3 Infernalis in the fridge now as welll... super exciting I know, nobody breeds them lol.

[Eddie]

Good luck!!

[Jeff B]

Have you finally come around Jeff, took long enough:p maybe i should get back into garters so we could talk morphs again lol
You should get back into garter, however I suggested hypermelanistic, not melanistic...:D

[Jeff B]

You may not be able to make a snow but maybe a vanishing pattern amel perhaps?
Totally agree Joe and that would be even cooler than a snow anyway. It would be fun to watch them grow and progress.

[BUSHSNAKE]

You should get back into garter, however I suggested hypermelanistic, not melanistic...:D

I need to adapt to using the word hypermelanistic lol. Many people use it, to me hypermelanistic and melanistic mean the same thing but people use the terms descriptively
I agree its hypermelanistic lol

[Jeff B]

I need to adapt to using the word hypermelanistic lol. Many people use it, to me hypermelanistic and melanistic mean the same thing but people use the terms descriptively
I agree its hypermelanistic lol
They kind of are the same. I think it usually is used to discern between totally black and mostly black with some pattern...but that is mostly just my opinion, certainly not a quantifiable fact.
I think it is cool that the pigment developed over time like the erythristics do. That's one thing I have always enjoyed about growing up "ugly duckling"mediocre erythristics that nobody wanted to buy and watching them turn into "beautiful swans" as adults.
I definitely want to get some of these in my collection at some point. Maybe cross with the golden ery and see what happens.

[Eddie]

I'll keep you all posted. I am starting to cool them and my Het Lucy's now. When they come out of brumation I will put down the rest.
Good luck to all this season!!

[Jeff B]

Good luck with the brumations and breeding Eddie! I think this weekend will be the last meal for mine then new years I will put mine down for a month to month and a half-ish.

[Eddie]

So my Het Kentucky x anery group has been off feed for 2 weeks now. I soaked them for a couple of hours today and separated the males and females. Out of 9 males 3 are anery and 6 are normal. Out of 7 females 5 are anery and 2 are normal. So of my 16 holdbacks 8 are anery and 8 are normal looking. I also soaked the mother of the group. See is a visual T- albino. I will breed her back to her anery sons this season. I will breed this group sometime towards the end of January. I'm hoping for a bunch of litters from this group. I will keep you all posted.

[Eddie]

Merry Christmas!!

[Albert Clark]

Good luck with all your projects Eddie. I'm betting you get those bunches of litters.

[Albert Clark]

Merry Xmas! Happy New Year.

[Zdravko092368]

Will anyone be producing goldens or leucistics this year?

[Eddie]

With some luck I'm hoping for both!!

[lilrob]

If anyone is producing any mels this year or her mels, is letting any young adults go I’m interested!!! Golden’s too!

[Eddie]

My first set of hibernated snakes are about to be warmed up. They are 100% het Kentucky albino and 100% het Anery. Im hoping for big things out of these guys!
I will pull the males in a couple of days then I will pull the females a few days later. I have a bunch of others in the weeks to follow. I think staggering the breedings was the way to go. I will keep you all posted.

[Zdravko092368]

Excited for you, good luck man.

[Eddie]

Thanks bud!!

[Zdravko092368]

Anyone witnessed any locks? I brought my sirtalis pairs out a few days ago didn't see much but haven't been able to observe them more than a few hours, three days ago after being out for a little over a week I saw my Santa Cruz garters locked up.

Also sending positive vibes for anyone with goldens or het goldens, the snake I want the most is just a normal golden.

[Eddie]

I have witnessed a few. Details to follow

[Zdravko092368]

I have witnessed a few. Details to follow

Look forward to it, keep us posted. :)

[Ironpriest88]

So, long time no post from me, but I believe I have some scrubs cooking. I have a normal checkered and an albino checkered hanging out together and my female has plumped up rather big these past few weeks. Not to sure what this pairing will bring me, but I am secretly hoping for a granite checkered. ( I saw that morph somewhere, at least I think I did!) I've got a spare 10gal that I'll use for the scrubs once/if my female does pop, and after that I'll have to grab another tank to keep the boys and girls apart. This may be my first time breeding, but I'm actually rather excited :>

[Albert Clark]

Still dealing with the late 2017 babies that I produced and gave the breeders some time off. I will be brumating a 2.1 trio of Cali reds at the end of February. My granite checkered project will start in April with 1.2 pastel het granite male X visual albino granite female and a single gene albino checkered female.

[Albert Clark]

That's a nice project but you will only produce visual granite checkereds if both parents are het ( genetically inherent) for the granite gene. You can produce hets and possible hets for albino by pairing the normal checkered X albino checkered. It's definitely a fun project. Good luck!

[sirtalis01]

Pearl X Black and white axanthic


https://youtu.be/rShl7rHoVXs

[Albert Clark]

Really nice pairing Julio! Amazing how reptile reproduction never gets old. Hahaha. Good luck with the project.

[Jeff B]

Pearl is cool I hope you make lot of them Julio. Congrats on witnessing a successful lock up.

[Eddie]

Is pearl your official name? lol

[sirtalis01]

Don't no yet lol...pearl is just a market name but theyes are leucystic whiteside..

[sirtalis01]

Thanks Jeff....would love to see scaleless whiteside ��...

[Albert Clark]

I plan on starting up the blue puget / red spotted puget project by mid April. The red concinnus project will start around the same time. I hope to have much bigger litters from both females this time around. Infernalis come out of brumation mid April.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

First lock of the year ery/flame het albino by ery albino!

[Eddie]

Awesome Shawn!!

[Eddie]

I'm about 10 days away from my first litters!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

2 more locks yesterday! Ery albino by ery 66% poss het snow and ery/flame 100% het snow by light green colored female.


First lock of the year ery/flame het albino by ery albino!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Sweet! What pairing?
I'm about 10 days away from my first litters!!

[Eddie]

First ones due are Het Kentucky albino/Visual Anery x the same

[BLUESIRTALIS]

That's Awesome! Can't wait to see them! Fingers crossed for you man!


First ones due are Het Kentucky albino/Visual Anery x the same

[Eddie]

i will keep you posted!!!

[Zdravko092368]

First ones due are Het Kentucky albino/Visual Anery x the same

Congrats, hope that pairing proves out.


My Santa Cruz female is 2-4 weeks I'd assume, she's quite huge now.

[Eddie]

I am waiting hour by hour lol

[Albert Clark]

I am waiting hour by hour lol

Oooh, we need a update from the busy dad!!!! Lol.

[Zdravko092368]

Haven't really had any activity from much else, as usual. Santa Cruz is in shed now so I wouldn't be surprised if she has her litter in a week.

[Albert Clark]

Haven't really had any activity from much else, as usual. Santa Cruz is in shed now so I wouldn't be surprised if she has her litter in a week.

Nice.... I bet your right.

[Eddie]

My albino Kentucky girl is at 66 days and going nuts in the cage. I'm hoping for babies today or tomorrow!!

[lilrob]

So what is everyone expecting this year??
If all goes according to plan I should have the following.


Red Radix, unrelated to most In the Hobby


Chapalas

Easterns:
Mel X orange stripe
Orange stripe x orange stripe (SW Missouri Local)
Low expression flame x Ery Flame
Low expression flame x Ery Albino
Red Hypo x WC Ohio Locality

[Eddie]

First litter is a disaster! My albino Kentucky girl had 2 still born albino's and she is retaining the rest.
I will keep you posted.
Ed

[guidofatherof5]

Sorry to hear this news.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

So sorry to hear this ED! Fingers crossed for some healthy scrubs!


First litter is a disaster! My albino Kentucky girl had 2 still born albino's and she is retaining the rest.
I will keep you posted.
Ed

[Eddie]

2 more stills out of her. Not a good start!!

[Albert Clark]

Jeez! Fingers and toes crossed for her Ed. Hopefully the tide will shift.

[Eddie]

Litter 2 is a semi success. My "het" Lucy female had 9 healthy babies and 1 weak one that died over night. No Lucies thats why I said semi success. Healthy babies are always a success in my eyes but very disappointed that no Lucies were born. it means that either the sample size was to small or 1 or both of the parents are not het. Either way I will raise them and see what happens.
Many more litters ready to pop!!
Ed

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats on the new life.

[Albert Clark]

Good luck on the litter 2 and upcoming others.

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!!

[Eddie]

Third litter not exactly what I was hoping for but lots of healthy babies. The parents are both visual West Virginia Anery's that are 100% het Kentucky albino. 19 perfect normal looking, 1 albino with a small kink and 1 normal looking badly kinked. Most of the normal looking ones will get darker over time and become anery. They are the most interesting color morph I have ever worked with. Thanks Shawn!!
I am expecting a bunch more so I will keep you posted!!

[lilrob]

10 healthy Lake Chapalas Born a few days ago, both parents are massive and very blue! Expecting my very red Radix pairing to drop any day!

[Eddie]

Thats awesome!! Good luck!!

[Albert Clark]

Nice production Eddie! Those 19 perfect normal ones sound amazing.

[Eddie]

Fourth litter small but nice. Het Kentucky albino Het W. Virginia Anery x the same had 2 perfect albinos and 2 perfect hets. Unfortunately there was a couple of still born albinos also. Mama and babies are doing well.

[guidofatherof5]

Fourth litter small but nice. Het Kentucky albino Het W. Virginia Anery x the same had 2 perfect albinos and 2 perfect hets. Unfortunately there was a couple of still born albinos also. Mama and babies are doing well.

Glad to hear mom and scrubs are doing well.

[Albert Clark]

Great production Eddie! I just took the infernalis out of brumation, warmed them up and saw courting right away. Put the pickeringii and concinnus pairs down the next day. 3 months of cooling for them.

[Eddie]

Good luck Albert, keep us posted!!

[sirtalis01]

Ok so my season started a bit sad...lost my 5 year old female albino parientalis do to impaction, I try to save the babys but they were dead at the same time I found out that my male is Het anery as she had some snows in her..
Second litter today from female anery het albino X Black and white axanthic 13 healthy babys...10 DH 50% het albino and 3 anerythristic het black and white axanthic ...funny thing is I didn't know the black and white axanthic was het anerythristic..

[guidofatherof5]

Bittersweet, sorry to hear about your loss.

[Albert Clark]

Great work Julio! I feel bad about the albino parietalis female, I know the feeling well. I guess it's part of the keeping we do. Take care of those babies and best of luck moving forward.

[Eddie]

5th litter born another visual West Virginia Anery het Kentucky albino x the same. 2 albinos and 8 hets. Babies and mama are doing well, I have 2 more of this combo that are expecting!!
I will keep you all posted.

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats.

[Eddie]

Julio
Sorry about the female redsided but congrats on the litter!!

[Eddie]

6th litter born. Another West Virginia anery het Kentucky albino x the same. 12 more babies!! 4 albino's and 8 hets. 1 of the hets has a weird birth defect. It has a weird discoloration at the area, I will try to post a pic!!

[Eddie]

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[lilrob]

Any still working with the eastern “Silvers” or have they all vanished??

[Eddie]

I still have hets from the silver line but I don't think I will have any till next year.
Possibly this year but not likely.

[Wxdzy]

I started my search for a melanistic garter about two years ago when I was planning on buying my first snake and never was able to find a breeder with babies/ yearlings. Loved garters since catching them in my backyard when I was 7 this year I'm getting a garter for sure. Wanting a melanistic but I also love a lot of different morphs. HMU if you have the ability to ship to California. <3 snake love <3

[Eddie]

7th litter born!! My female ery/flame het Schuett albino x my male ery albino. Both parents are very high end red. I got 18 albinos and 16 hets. All have varying degrees of red. Some really really nice snakes in this litter!! Mother and scrubs are doing very well. I will keep you all posted.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

That's awesome ED! I need about 3 albino males! They can be albino, albino flame, or ery albino. Let me know what you have man!
7th litter born!! My female ery/flame het Schuett albino x my male ery albino. Both parents are very high end red. I got 18 albinos and 16 hets. All have varying degrees of red. Some really really nice snakes in this litter!! Mother and scrubs are doing very well. I will keep you all posted.

[Albert Clark]

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Wow Eddie! It looks like a coloration aberrancy. Maybe a paradox? Can't wait to see it when the reptile puts on some size. Are the scales intact? It's hard to really tell from the picture.

[Eddie]

Hi Albert
Sorry that the picture is terrible. The spot looks more like a birth defect than anything else. I will post better pics after he eats a few times.

[Albert Clark]

Hi Albert
Sorry that the picture is terrible. The spot looks more like a birth defect than anything else. I will post better pics after he eats a few times.
Oh, gotcha! Well, congrats on all your success with the other babies/litters in any case. Yeah, looking forward to the growth of the little oddity and how he turns out.

[Eddie]

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[guidofatherof5]

Love those scrubs. New life is so cool.

[Jeff B]

nice litters Eddie! Congrats

[Eddie]

Thanks bud!!
1 is in process right now!!

[Eddie]

8th litter born yesterday. Double het for snow female Red sided x albino het for snow red sided male. Very small litter of 5 but the babies are pretty big. 1 albino, 1 Anery and 3 hets. I was really hoping for a bigger litter with snows but what can you do. The albino didn't make it through the night but the others are looking good. Mama ate today and is looking good.

[snakesave]

In my experience impaction likely has to do with paracites.

[Eddie]

In my experience impaction likely has to do with paracites.

Hello
I'm just curious as to which post you are referring to that might have parasites?
Thaks

[snakesave]

In my experience impaction likely has to do with paracites.

Hello
I'm just curious as to which post you are referring to that might have parasites?
Thaks

Lol idk, I'll quote it next time.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Got back from vacation with my first litter born. High red Ery albino x erythristic possible het albino which proved to be het. I got 2 ery albinos and 7 ery's that are 100% het albino.

[Tommytradix]

Had a litter the other day. High red radix het b&w axanthic , albino anery x blizzard het anery. I got 5 snows 5 normals 2 blizzards 2 anery 9 albino and 6 blue axanthic. Im hoping the blue axanthic and blizzards color up red like the female I had a few years ago. The ultimate goal is high red blizzards

[Tommytradix]

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Had a few stills too

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[guidofatherof5]

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Congrats, good looking little scrubs.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I had another litter born from a very light almost hypo looking female possible het albino x high red erythristic albino and she had 16 babies all of which are normal 100% hets so she wasn't het, but both her brother and sister proved out het. I also bred an albino Tx rat x Scaleless Tx rat for a friend and she just laid 9 eggs.

[Eddie]

Awesome news Shawn!!

[Reedsbreeds]

If I can get my hands on the right genes this year I should have radixs indistinguishable from San Francisco garters very soon! Just need hypo and some reds. Which my dark red female gave birth last week, hopefully some of those color up red or light red to help with the project! Because i need my adult to pair with a pearl next. Here's my currently gravid female, and a baby I never could convince to eat.1503815039150401504115042

[Eddie]

Good looking Radix!! Good luck with your San Fran impostor project lol

[guidofatherof5]

Nice radi.

[Zdravko092368]

I had a litter of 15 live atratus, 2 stills and 1 slug.

[Reedsbreeds]

What species is attratus? Congrats!

Thanks guys! I had something even more exciting than the aztec/San Fran project happen for me last night! May not have produced pearls just yet but I have proven the trait (that I believe to be a visual het for pearl aka co-dom with a super form) to be co-dominant and slightly polymorphic.
Haven't technically proven them as het pearls yet. (Except for the single visual pearl born last year) Still waiting for the results of fire x fire. But fire x normal resulted in a clutch of 8 fires (white tailed, white tounged, faded coloration) 12 normals. 8 stills 1 dead. of the 9 dead 5 were fires. Only 2 things left for me to prove
1.-pearl bred to a normal will result in a clutch of 100% white tailed/white tounged babies
2.- pearl bred to fire will result in mostly pearls born, remaining babies all having white tails and or tounges
3.- fire bred to fire will result in some pearls born, about half the clutch white tailed/tounged and a quarter of the clutch normal.

Basically on par with the piebald/luecistic genes of any other species. My het Lucy rainbows all have white tipped tounges, my different Lucy morph het ball pythons all have white tipped tounges. And now het Lucy radixs have white tounges.

My family members are really the only ones who give me any flak regarding my theory behind the het pearls. Telling me I'm investing too deeply in a pipe dream. Then again I haven't really gone too public with it until now, that I've at least proven the fires to be co-dominant. But their not snake people and barely understand what I mean when I say het, so I couldn't really expect them to grasp the weight of the evidence the way I do. (Or other people, who weren't offered a sale to begin with have told me they don't think there's merit to my theory, that white tails such as these are common in garters, then proceeded to make offers) but these white tails are not common, I've only seen visual morphs with tails like these. Axanthic and anery to be specific. And lake chapalas. But I suspect the normal blue chapala is in fact a morph anyways.

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P.s. it took over 100 shots to get that tounge on camera, sorry I couldn't get a better one

[Reedsbreeds]

Check out this fine piece of tail right here!
I have 2 female and a male with white tail, won't be til next season when the final test of fire x pearl is conducted. Since my male was only 6 months old... At the end of winter! Lol
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[Reedsbreeds]

A couple stills. The nicest baby in the whole batch (in my opinion.) Was one of the stills. Has a wierd hole in it's head
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[Eddie]

I totally get the white under tail theory of morph. I currently have a line of "anery" easterns that are very very dark on top and have a very white underneath from the vent to the tail tip. Good luck with the project!!

[Zdravko092368]

What species is attratus? Congrats!



Santa Cruz garters, the single stripe locality.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Sounds like your pearl morph could be an incomplete dominate trait

[Reedsbreeds]

@zdravko I'm in love with the Santa Cruz's! Are you Tim spuckler by chance? Lol I only ask because he posted some santa Cruz's on fauna within a couple days of your post on here

Thanks Eddie, those sound awesome I haven't seen any anery easterns before, is this something you've been producing for a while, or coming soon? I had a trio of really bright green easterns. Got a pairing to happen, then I trusted a friend to care for them for a while so could focus on my radix projects. Got a call one day that the male died, wasn't able to retrieve the others the same day, next day or two the larger gravid female died, he took it upon himself to attempt emergency C-section. Anyways I got over there to retrieve my last female green eastern before it was too late, gave her some rat pups and t-filet but it was too late. She passed a few days later. The babies he cut out all rotted, every single one of them was green at "birth". and that was the end of my green eastern project! All of my easterns actually. He fed them worms exclusively for 2-3 months. Or didn't feed them at all. Idk at this point I just know I'll never trust another animal in his care... Any species.

And bushsnake I've never been able to differentiate the technical differences between incomplete Dom and co-dom. I know their real differences I just don't know what they are. So I've been going along on the notion that I can call anything with a visual het or marker co-dom for years now.

[Eddie]

I love green easterns!! I know of a HUGE population of them in up state NY. I also have to defer to Joe on genetic questions. He is very experienced on the subject!!

[Eddie]

PM me your cell number and I will send you pics. They are co-dom also. Shawn sent me the original male that I had. Now I have a breeder group. They are the coolest morph I have ever had!! Thanks Shawn!!

[lilrob]

Had a huge litter of Fitchi and concinnus (blue and red) born recently, Eastern albino paired with a flame looks like she might drop any day now, and I’ve got a ton of babies from an awesome local being sent to me soon, Mom is BLUE, I’m guessing axanthic Eastern found in norther Alabama.

[mikec205]

Are you selling anything? do you have pics.
Thanks
Mike

[Reedsbreeds]

Sounds pretty experienced! He was most likely correct about that with little info! And he didn't have to ask any questions! Lol

I'll probably never manage to get up to NY for herping :(

And cool! Excited to see them! I love anery radixs so much, but don't have any! Lol
Also want some blue axanthics sooooooo bad

[Ironpriest88]

So I just went to make coffee and I was greeted by a great surprise! 5 (then) and now 6! little scrubs wandering around the enclosure. I moved them to a small 10 gal with a shallow water dish, newspaper bedding, a hide and some damp moss in one corner. I am hella surprised!

Oh yeah, so far 4 albinos and 2 normals :>

[Ironpriest88]

So I took a few quick snaps of the little swarm. I think I got 9 so far! No idea if Megumin will have more or not!

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[BLUESIRTALIS]

Sweet congrats! I would love to see pics of the Blue female!
Had a huge litter of Fitchi and concinnus (blue and red) born recently, Eastern albino paired with a flame looks like she might drop any day now, and I’ve got a ton of babies from an awesome local being sent to me soon, Mom is BLUE, I’m guessing axanthic Eastern found in norther Alabama.

[Eddie]

So I took a few quick snaps of the little swarm. I think I got 9 so far! No idea if Megumin will have more or not!
What kind of garters are they?

[Ironpriest88]

Checkered garters, final count is 10 and I've gotten most of them to eat so I'm pretty happy

[Eddie]

Awesome!!

[Reedsbreeds]

Considering making some stuff available to fund some new pick ups.

Only one baby with an all white tounge, the other hets only have white tipped tounges. All babies being made available have the white tail trait, and at least some white on their tounge.

Have a single sexed pair born dead in the middle of winter also being made available. (7-8 months old)

If unsatisfied, babies can be exchanged on a later date for babies from the pairing pictured (male pearl x female fire [white tounge and tail]) she should give birth in about 2 months. but in my opinion this is a good opportunity to get in on a very rare project early in it's development. (While offers of 4k and up are still coming in for visuals)

Included are pictures of my male pearl, female pearl, male pairing with a het female. Some screenshots from videos taken early this morning to display the white on the tounges, some pictures of the babies tails, and pictures of the 7 month old males white tail and 70% white tounge.

And 2 side by side pics of a white tounge tipped baby (also carries white tail) with a comparable photo of one of it's normal litter mates.

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Dm for my cell number, and from there I can send pics or videos of individuals. Of course buying into the project now is almost like paying a deposit and puts you in a very good position when visuals comes, and keeps you up to date on how its coming along the way.

Trades and partial trades considered for other species or radix morphs.

[Reedsbreeds]

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[Ironpriest88]

So now that I have my first batch of scrubs, 9/10 of them eat healthily on worms (for now). One doesn't seem to be interested in food 6 days later =/

Now once they have a few sheds off I'll try and sell them and then try and find a granite or a pastel to breed with. Trouble is... I have no idea where/how to get one. The few hits I found were a year or more old...

I will most likely hold a female albino to work with my male albino and attempt to sell the rest. But... the colors of the other two morphs are too nice and I wants them :< Checkereds get such little love it seems hah

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Check on kingsnake.com i think bhb has some albino granites.


So now that I have my first batch of scrubs, 9/10 of them eat healthily on worms (for now). One doesn't seem to be interested in food 6 days later =/

Now once they have a few sheds off I'll try and sell them and then try and find a granite or a pastel to breed with. Trouble is... I have no idea where/how to get one. The few hits I found were a year or more old...

I will most likely hold a female albino to work with my male albino and attempt to sell the rest. But... the colors of the other two morphs are too nice and I wants them :< Checkereds get such little love it seems hah

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Wow! Offers of 4,000 for visuals! I have never seen a garter with that kind of price tag! The visuals look awesome! I can't even imagine what the scaleless will go for!


Considering making some stuff available to fund some new pick ups.

Only one baby with an all white tounge, the other hets only have white tipped tounges. All babies being made available have the white tail trait, and at least some white on their tounge.

Have a single sexed pair born dead in the middle of winter also being made available. (7-8 months old)

If unsatisfied, babies can be exchanged on a later date for babies from the pairing pictured (male pearl x female fire [white tounge and tail]) she should give birth in about 2 months. but in my opinion this is a good opportunity to get in on a very rare project early in it's development. (While offers of 4k and up are still coming in for visuals)

Included are pictures of my male pearl, female pearl, male pairing with a het female. Some screenshots from videos taken early this morning to display the white on the tounges, some pictures of the babies tails, and pictures of the 7 month old males white tail and 70% white tounge.

And 2 side by side pics of a white tounge tipped baby (also carries white tail) with a comparable photo of one of it's normal litter mates.

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Dm for my cell number, and from there I can send pics or videos of individuals. Of course buying into the project now is almost like paying a deposit and puts you in a very good position when visuals comes, and keeps you up to date on how its coming along the way.

Trades and partial trades considered for other species or radix morphs.

[Zdravko092368]

Had a pretty bad litter from a first time mom/dad Infernalis, she ate less than 15 hours before giving birth and when I came home was basking with babies below as if nothing happened.

6 slugs, 3 halfslug/halfsnake globs, 1 deformed still, 1 kinked tail live and 3 outwardly healthy live but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up runty of fail to thrive considering the rest of the litter.

[guidofatherof5]

That is a shame.

[Reedsbreeds]

Wow! Offers of 4,000 for visuals! I have never seen a garter with that kind of price tag! The visuals look awesome! I can't even imagine what the scaleless will go for!


Thanks man! Yeah it's pretty high up there. But that's mostly because it's not out yet, no hets have been sold, the only visuals are still the originals, and only myself and one other person have them.
I'm sure the pied eastern sold for 5k.
And the first scalless will prolly cost 5k each. But it'll come down. Depending on how many the originator releases the first year or two.

When I caught the very first pearl I was convinced it was worth 30k to the right person! Lol. But ultimately it didn't matter that it was the only one, it still wasn't worth as much as a Lucy boa constrictor.

[sirtalis01]

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this is what scott used to call aztecs

[BUSHSNAKE]

this is what scott used to call aztecs
Scott got the "aztec" from me. Thats not what i called them so who cares what Scott called them

[Ironpriest88]

Well I came home and my adults may or may not have been in a lock... I am currently looking into buying new tanks to separate them...

I am considering two 20gals for them along with whatever scrubs I don't sell. Should that be fine or should I get bigger?

[Zdravko092368]

20gal is fine for adults.

[Reedsbreeds]

Scott got the "aztec" from me. Thats not what i called them so who cares what Scott called them

Hi! What did/do you call them?
And are the connected dots (sometimes creating black stripes) above the lateral stripe required for them to be called that? Or just connected pattern along the dorsal? I was under the impression that individuals with stripes along their dorsal but dots above their laterals didn't quite fit the bill, and they needed stripes along both their dorsal stripe and their lateral stripes

The female gave birth to 12 healthy scrubs last week. Only 3 have any connected dots above their lateral stripes. And only one with as much as the mother.

[Reedsbreeds]

And I present... The zipper radix! A line of reduced stripe resulting in stripes that look like zippers! Female dropped 6 babies and 5 have the zipper. Maybe with line breeding could produce full stripeless! As the babies start feeding regularly ill be making 3 or 4 of the 5 available
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[BUSHSNAKE]

Hi! What did/do you call them?
And are the connected dots (sometimes creating black stripes) above the lateral stripe required for them to be called that? Or just connected pattern along the dorsal? I was under the impression that individuals with stripes along their dorsal but dots above their laterals didn't quite fit the bill, and they needed stripes along both their dorsal stripe and their lateral stripes

The female gave birth to 12 healthy scrubs last week. Only 3 have any connected dots above their lateral stripes. And only one with as much as the mother.
I called them "Striped" if you look at the picture on scotts website thats exactly how it looked...striped. The reduction of the pattern formed a stripe.

[BUSHSNAKE]

And like you, i also thought they had a pattern that looked like tetratenia...which are "striped" lol, anyways if you could have that pattern in a red albino form you'll have one awesome looking radix!

[Reedsbreeds]

And like you, i also thought they had a pattern that looked like tetratenia...which are "striped" lol, anyways if you could have that pattern in a red albino form you'll have one awesome looking radix!

Hmm, I think the title striped could create a bit of confusion. Just talking about lateral and dorsal striping I feel anyone but garter experts have a hard time following me! Lol
And yes! In red albino would be some seriously high quality animals! Apearantly it's not that easy of a look to reproduce though. Would take a few generations to get the full 9 or 11 striped look!

[BUSHSNAKE]

Hmm, I think the title striped could create a bit of confusion. Just talking about lateral and dorsal striping I feel anyone but garter experts have a hard time following me! Lol
And yes! In red albino would be some seriously high quality animals! Apearantly it's not that easy of a look to reproduce though. Would take a few generations to get the full 9 or 11 striped look!
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[Eddie]

Does anybody have anything interesting in the works for the up coming breeding season??
Let us know " What's cooking " LOL

[BUSHSNAKE]

Oh yes...lots of projects. Every year is bigger then the last. But no Thams

[woody44]

My current garter projects are all T.e. vagrans

1.0 het T+ X 0.1 het T+ (produced here by w/c T+ male)
1.0 w/c T- albino X 0.1 huge normal (hopefully lots of big healthy hets)
1.0 poss het melanistic X 0.1 normal

Lots of Crotalus pairings also but that's it for garter pairings this year.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

With the Breeding season approaching i want to wish everyone the best of luck! I have some nice projects this year and can't wait to see what comes out!

[Eddie]

Good luck Shawn!!
I have quite a few interesting pairings happening right now!!

[Zdravko092368]

Mostly melanistics, santa cruz and infernalis in the fridge for me. Nothing unique besides my WC eastern albino and normal female from the same site.

[Albert Clark]

Nice projects fellas! I am looking forward to my blue pugets , Cali reds, and albino granite checkereds. Good luck to everyone.

[lilrob]

My Canadian Flame is currently locking up with one of my other Flames didn’t realize it was a female. If she gets gravid the babies should be killer! Pure flame no hets.

[Eddie]

Awesome. We need some pure flame circulating around!!