Whats cooking?

[Tommytradix]

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here are the babies from the red albino het snow x high red albino het snow pairing.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13108&stc=1http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13109&stc=1http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13110&stc=1

[Tommytradix]

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[Tommytradix]

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with flash

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13115&stc=1

[Eddie]

They look awesome Tommy!!

[lilrob]

Any body gonna have any eastern flames, eastern albino flames, or eastern melanistic any time soon?!

[Qwerty3159]

I'd love a Melanistic eastern!

[Tommytradix]

Ill have melanistic 66% het albino. Snows. Erythristic Shcuett albinos 100% het melanistic and erythristics 100% het melanistic and 66% het albino. Litters are duet his summer

[Dan72]

I want all that! ^ ;)

[Tommytradix]

anyone expecting soon?? my big high red female radix het b&w axanthic is gravid. she bred to a high red albino.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Mine still have a couple of weeks in brumation. I breed mine in the spring.
anyone expecting soon?? My big high red female radix het b&w axanthic is gravid. She bred to a high red albino.

[Eddie]

Mine are still brumating also. I am behind schedule this year

[Eddie]

First litter of 2016 born!!
Female is an albino eastern found in Kentucky a few years ago. The male is a West Virginia Anerythriistic that I got from Shawn.
She had 28 healthy babies!! Not bad for a first litter. Mama and all babies are doing well.
I hoping for big things out of these babies!!
Good luck this year everyone!!
Ed

[Jeff B]

Awesome litter congrats!!!

[Albert Clark]

First litter of 2016 born!!
Female is an albino eastern found in Kentucky a few years ago. The male is a West Virginia Anerythriistic that I got from Shawn.
She had 28 healthy babies!! Not bad for a first litter. Mama and all babies are doing well.
I hoping for big things out of these babies!!
Good luck this year everyone!!
Ed
28 is a good number Eddie! Grats. Way to go.

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!!!

[Zdravko092368]

Congrats. Any photos of the little guys and the parents?

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13350&stc=1

[Eddie]

Thats the male

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13351&stc=1

[Eddie]

Thats mama a week before birth of babies

[Eddie]

Albert
Thanks for telling me how to post pics!!

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13352&stc=1

[Eddie]

Thats a 100% het snow 50% het silver female bred to the same.
She is due in about a month

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13353&stc=1

[Eddie]

Thats an ery flame female bred to a golden male. She is due in a few weeks. She is in shed in the picture. She is very high red when first shed

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13354&stc=1

[Eddie]

Albino Florida blue het anery due any day now. She went off feed this week. She was bred to a 100% het albino 100% het anery male Florida blue

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13355&stc=1

[Eddie]

Female het albino het anery Florida blue bred to the same. She is due soon but she ate yesterday

[Zdravko092368]

Awesome stuff, keep us posted on those albino/anery florida blues! I'm definitely interested.

Are you expecting any golden easterns this year or just hets?

[Eddie]

Just hets. The female I was working with died a couple of weeks ago. I was very bummed out about it. She was full of beans.

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13356&stc=1

[Eddie]

She was looking good a couple of weeks ago

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13357&stc=1

[Eddie]

Here's some of the babies that were just born

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Sweet ed! Congrats!

[Albert Clark]

Albert
Thanks for telling me how to post pics!!
NP. Congrats on the hatchling success!

[Tommytradix]

check your messages ed. i messaged you. i lost your number when i switched phones

[Eddie]

Second litter born today.
One of my Schuett snow females gave birth today. I bred her with a het snow possible het silver male. She had 12 babies. 10 of which are perfect but all normal looking and 2 deformed ones that look like silvers. One of the deformed ones was still born and the other died about an hour after birth. I will post a picture shortly but keep in mind the snake is deformed so viewer beware.

[Eddie]

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[Eddie]

Let me know what you guys think

[paperfeathers]

Sad that they didnt make it, the color is interesting. Almost blue-ish.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Man that stinks! They do look like silvers!
let me know what you guys think

[Albert Clark]

Let me know what you guys think
Wow, very sad. Sorry for this. Looks like its a combination of severe hydrocephaly and duckbilling. Also a element of spinal kinking. But yeah, they do look like silvers.

[guidofatherof5]

What a shame.

[Eddie]

Mama and her 10 healthy babies are doing well

[Tommytradix]

still never got that pm or text ed

[Eddie]

Texted

[Eddie]

Third litter born.
My ery/flame female that I bred to my golden male had a very small litter a few days ago. 3 healthy babies all showing red. I waited a few days to post about it because I was expecting her to have more. She is a big girl and could have easily had 25-30 babies. I'm not really sure what happened but she is back to her regular eating routine so I guess no more babies are coming from her. I will update if she has more.

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats Eddie. Photos expected.

[Eddie]

Thanks Steve
I'll get some pics tomorrow

[Albert Clark]

Congrats Eddie! 3 is better than none. Reptile reproduction never gets old. I find small litters with the pastels as well.

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13517&stc=1Ery/flame 100% het golden

[Albert Clark]

Pretty little eastern! Nice work.

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!!

[Tommytradix]

2 litters of blue concinnus are out. one was born last night the other about 10 minutes ago.

additional photos will be in my update thread


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[Tommytradix]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13610&stc=1http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13611&stc=1

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice.

[Eddie]

Good sized babies!! Maybe we can make a trade

[Tommytradix]

Good sized babies!! Maybe we can make a trade
i still have a few more litters to be born. almost 100 people have pairs or trios reserved. dont think im going to meet that demand lol

[Albert Clark]

Congrats to both of you!

[Eddie]

Fourth litter born today
My overdue het snow girl popped today. Snows, albinos, mels and hets all born alive and well. I will get a final count in the morning. I see at least 20 or more in there.
Glad to see her finally pop!!

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome news. Looking forward to photos.

[Tommytradix]

Fourth litter born today
My overdue het snow girl popped today. Snows, albinos, mels and hets all born alive and well. I will get a final count in the morning. I see at least 20 or more in there.
Glad to see her finally pop!!
congrats!! im waiting on my mels het albino to drop might need a pair or 2 from that litter. ill be in the area the next white plains show. ill text you a week or 2 prior

[Eddie]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13622&stc=13 snows, 4 albinos, 5 melanistics and 13 66% poss het snow. These are also all poss het silver

[Qwerty3159]

Beautiful group of snakes!

[Albert Clark]

My, my, my! ! What a wonderful world of reptiles. Grats.

[Dan72]

Congrats Ed! What will a Mel go for?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Sweet! Congrats ED!

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!!

[Jeff B]

awesome congrats ed!

[Zdravko092368]

Awesome litter Ed, glad to see there's someone still producing those pseudo snows.

[Eddie]

I'm hoping to produce some clean pure white eastern snow's next year. I have 2 different combo's I'm working on.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I'm hoping my anery x anery pairing 100% het fl albino will drop me some babies this year! Ed i can't wait to see what you get from that west virginia anery line or the alexander line!

[Tommytradix]

don belnap also has both anery still i think... he had alot die in brumation so not sure what he has left

[Eddie]

Good luck Shawn. I would be interested in some of those babies. You might get snows this year!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Fingers crossed! I just hope i get babies this year! I had several slug out last year and that was depressing!
good luck shawn. I would be interested in some of those babies. You might get snows this year!!

[Tommytradix]

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This girl gave me a nice perfect litter of 14!!
Other female is due any day now too!!

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice

[Eddie]

What are those Tommy? Congrats!!

[Tommytradix]

What are those Tommy? Congrats!!
blue pugets. thanks ed and steve

[Tommytradix]

What are those Tommy? Congrats!!
you probably didnt reconize the species since they havent been around in awhile lol

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I think the pic of the mom threw him off because at first glance she did me, lol. Before i made the pic bigger and looked at the babies i thought she was a blue axanthic plains at first glance.
you probably didnt reconize the species since they havent been around in awhile lol

[Tommytradix]

I think the pic of the mom threw him off because at first glance she did me, lol. Before i made the pic bigger and looked at the babies i thought she was a blue axanthic plains at first glance.
she is a lot bluer than my blue axanthic but not as much pattern as him

[Eddie]

Awesome litter!!

[Tommytradix]

Awesome litter!!

Thanks Ed!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Yeah, tommy has had some very nice litters this year. Must be something in the water, lol! How much for a gallon?
awesome litter!!

[Tommytradix]

haha i treat my water with repti safe. i have city water

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Had my first litter over the weekend, 16 healthy baby similis. I know pics or it didn't happen, lol!

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats. Once I see some photos.:D

[Tommytradix]

congrats!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Thanks! I'll try and post some pics soon!

[Eddie]

Thats awesome Shawn!!!

[geffy]

subscribed, this seems like a very interesting thread

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Thanks ed!
thats awesome shawn!!!

[Jeff B]

Had my first litter over the weekend, 16 healthy baby similis. I know pics or it didn't happen, lol!
Very nice

[Zdravko092368]

Any photos of the parents and babies yet? Congrats btw!

[Tommytradix]

Had a litter of 14 today. 7 blizzards 4 anerythristic 2 blue axanthic and 1 snow. Photos are in my update thread

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome, they look grea........wait, no photos?

[Eddie]

Congrats Tommy!!

[Tommytradix]

Awesome, they look grea........wait, no photos?



they are in my update thread

[Eddie]

Who has what planned for spring? It's right around the corner.

[Lowland Reptiles]

I already had the first mating 2 days ago of my oldest pair of lake cuitzeo garters. Now hoping the second pair will also be up for some action, so I can offer unrelated pairs.

Think that will be it for this year. Still have a lot of offspring from last year that I need to find buyers for. If I breed more this year I'm afraid that I will run into problems finding homes for them all. That's the biggest problem I always have. Not that many people who have an interest in the mexican garters over here.

[lilrob]

Are you in the US? If so I'd be very interested in taking some off your hands!

[Lowland Reptiles]

No, I'm in Belgium, Europe.
A lot of people don't even know those species, so not that easy to sell them if people don't even know they exist...

[Eddie]

Good luck with them either way

[Eddie]

I'm planning out my pairings this week. I am hoping on some cool stuff this year. They will all be up from brumation between 3 weeks and 6 weeks

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Most of mine are not coming out until march. I'm going with a full brumation this season since i had a couple of females slug out last year. I've got a lot of neat pairings this season. Good luck to everyone and I hope to see pics of lots of scrubs this season.

[Albert Clark]

Taking a shot at the T. cyrtopsis occ. pairs, t.s.infernalis, and t.s.pickeringi this round. My pairs are due to end brumation in March also. Fingers and toes have been crossed. Best wishes to all this upcoming season.

[Tommytradix]

i just took the pugets and pastel granite checkereds and super pastel out of brumation. the rest have 3-5 weeks still. the leucistic parietalis come out in 3 weeks and ed is loaning me a male for her. excited to see how this mutation pans out.

[Eddie]

I'm excited too!!

[Tommytradix]

i need visual anery parietalis Ed.... next season i plan to breed one of my male albinos to her then the year after that a snow or anery. after that i should have silvers to breed to her or her offspring. parietalis are making a big comeback lol

[Eddie]

I'm hoping for some Tommy

[Eddie]

Some planned breedings so far
2:3 100% het melanistic 50% het shuett snow and albino, 50% het anery 50% het Florida blue albino
5:10 100% het Kentucky albino 100% West Virgina Anery
Kentucky albino female x her son's. 100% het Kentucky albino x West Virginia Anery
Shuett snow female X Shuett albino 100% het snow
Shuett snow female x Golden male
Ery flame 100% het albino x the same
Ery flame 100% het albino x albino ery male
Het Schuett snow 50% het silver x the same
Green eastern female x Golden
Floria blue albino het anery x het Florida albino het anery
Normal Florida blue x Golden
100% het Lucy x Schuett snow
100% anery redsided x the same
Maybe more depending on breeder loans

[otis lee]

Intresting your not using a melanistic for the E snow ?

[Zdravko092368]

Some planned breedings so far
2:3 100% het melanistic 50% het shuett snow and albino, 50% het anery 50% het Florida blue albino
5:10 100% het Kentucky albino 100% West Virgina Anery
Kentucky albino female x her son's. 100% het Kentucky albino x West Virginia Anery
Shuett snow female X Shuett albino 100% het snow
Shuett snow female x Golden male
Ery flame 100% het albino x the same
Ery flame 100% het albino x albino ery male
Het Schuett snow 50% het silver x the same
Green eastern female x Golden
Floria blue albino het anery x het Florida albino het anery
Normal Florida blue x Golden
100% het Lucy x Schuett snow
100% anery redsided x the same
Maybe more depending on breeder loans

I don't see any golden or het golden x the same, are you not producing more?

Awesome pairings though, easterns are my favorite and you're doing a bunch with them.

[Eddie]

I have 11 het golden easterns but none will be ready this year. Slow growers so far. They will be ready for next year. 9 are 100% het golden and 100% het Scheutt snow. The other 2 are ery/flame 100% het golden. If anyone has any adult het golden females let me know. My golden male is an aggressive breeder!! Lol

[Zdravko092368]

I have 11 het golden easterns but none will be ready this year. Slow growers so far. They will be ready for next year. 9 are 100% het golden and 100% het Scheutt snow. The other 2 are ery/flame 100% het golden. If anyone has any adult het golden females let me know. My golden male is an aggressive breeder!! Lol

Great to read, I really can't wait for some goldens to be produced, the eastern market is bland and we need people like you to bring it back to it's former glory lol.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Bland? Are you crazy, lol! Maybe i'm just a little biased! I love everything about easterns and all their great morphs! I do want to see the goldens, silvers, and leucistics reproduced in the near future, but what's bland about erythristics, flames, albinos, aneries, all the combos, and all the natural variations? I guess i'm like steve with his radix, lol! For some reason easterns are harder to reproduce and some of the morphs like the silver seam to be weaker than average babies. I still love them! Ed i hope you produce hundreds of goldens and maybe even some silvers and leucistics and send some my way, lol!
great to read, i really can't wait for some goldens to be produced, the eastern market is bland and we need people like you to bring it back to it's former glory lol.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I will be attempting to breed the following this year. I'm gonna try to make some pure classic flames that don't have any erythristic in them.

1.1 Ery flame 100% het albino x Ery albino
1.2 Ery albino x Ery 50% poss het albino
1.1 Ery flame 100% het albino x Norm 50% poss het albino
1.2 Ery albino x light colored normal
1.2 Anery 100% het Florida albino x Norm sibs 100% het Fl albino
1.1 Schuett snow x wc yellow female
1.1 Normal Flame het for nothing x wc black and yellow classic eastern
1.2 Similis
1.2 Eastern hognose snakes

[Eddie]

Good luck bud!! We can trade later in the season.

[lilrob]

I hope your successful!! I have 1.1 albino Ery flames and I need some unrelated Ery flames (pos her albino) puhleasssse let me know if you produce any I def need some!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Thanks ed! Good luck to you too and i look forward to doing some trading! I know what you're after, lol and you got first dibbs on them.
good luck bud!! We can trade later in the season.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Thanks! I do have several people interested in them so fingers crossed that i produce a couple of good litters!
i hope your successful!! I have 1.1 albino ery flames and i need some unrelated ery flames (pos her albino) puhleasssse let me know if you produce any i def need some!!

[Eddie]

Sounds good Shawn!!

[Tommytradix]

It still won't let me upload photos.... I was trying to uplaod a photo of my normal flame het and the lucy parietalis being courted by an albino and normal wc. Most of my pairings are courting so far. Still trying for b&w axanthic x snow

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I don't think no one can upload pics at the moment, at least I can't.
It still won't let me upload photos.... I was trying to uplaod a photo of my normal flame het and the lucy parietalis being courted by an albino and normal wc. Most of my pairings are courting so far. Still trying for b&w axanthic x snow

[Eddie]

Some pairings so far
100% het mel, 50% het Schuett snow, 50% het Florida albino, 50% het Alexander Anery x The same.
100% het mel, 50% het Schuett snow, 50% het Florida albino, 50% het Alexander Anery x 50% het Schuett snow, 50% het Florida albino, 50% het Alexander Anery
Golden x poss het Schuett snow poss het silver
Albino Florida blue 100% het Alexander Anery x 100% het mel, 50% het Schuett snow, 50% het Florida albino, 50% het Alexander Anery
Golden x Schuett snow
100% het Kentucky albino, 100% het W Virginia Anery x the same. ( I bred a few pairs of these )
Albino Kentucky x 100% het Kentucky albino, 100% het W Virginia Anery
High red ery albino x 100% het ery/flame albino. ( I bred 2 pairs of these )
Albino Florida blue poss het Anery x 100% het Florida albino, poss het Anery
100% het Florida albino, poss het Anery x The same
100% het Schuett snow poss het silver x The same

[guidofatherof5]

Nice cooking.

[Zdravko092368]

Some advanced cooking taking place at Eddies. Good luck!

[Eddie]

I'm really hoping for some clean white eastern snows this year. Healthy silvers would be nice also. I will keep you all posted.

[Tommytradix]

you ever heard of "Benny and the jets"? well its "Eddie and the hets" haha good luck Ed! im looking forward to seeing some real eastern snows finally. tom has a t- eastern. i think if it were bred to a mel it might produce whiter snows than the t+ ones.

[Tommytradix]

for some reason i cant see what i posted. i can only see it when i highlight it...very strange lol

[Qwerty3159]

I think you may have posted with the text being white instead of black by mistake lol

[Tommytradix]

can you see it?

[guidofatherof5]

I don't see anything either, I will delete that thread(2 of them were blank and deleted). Not sure what is going on because your other posts showed. What was in the blank thread? Did you construct the post on the same device as the ones we can see?

[Qwerty3159]

can you see it?
I couldn't see it but before the post was deleted I went to quote you and it had a color code around your text so my guess is that's what happened

[KRS4771]

Eddie,

This is all Greek to me. Can you break it down into stupid people's terms? I've tried to ready up on this some, but I have yet to make heads or tails of it. Thanks for being patient with the newbie!

[Tommytradix]

it was what i have paired up for breeding so far

[Tommytradix]

This is what i have paired right now. The rest will be paired in summer.

snow x b&w backed up by T+ albino.
snow x b&w backed up by blizzard.
blue concinnus x same.
blue puget x same.
lucy x normal backed up by 2 albino. normal wc female parietalis in with lucy and males.
normal het b&w and albino/hypo x hybino backed up by b&w.
high red het albino, anery, b&w x red albino (low end hybino) same hets.
pastel granite x same backed up by super pastel het granite.
super high red albino radix het anery x high red albino het anery.
red snow x super high red albino het anery.
NE axanthic Fl king x same.
red albino hog x same.
red mandarin rat x same.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I've had some breeding activity in the snake room, lol! I've only witnessed one lock so far and it was the ery/flame 100% het albino x ery albino. My male anery 100% het florida albino has been going crazy over my 100% het florida albino so fingers crossed!

[sirtalis01]

Awesome...cant wait to see the babys

[Tommytradix]

The leucistic parietalis might be gravid. Her appetite has doubled in the past 2 weeks and before that all 3 males courted her for about a week. I'll know for sure in 2-3 weeks. By then i should be able to feel them in her belly.

[Eddie]

Hey everybody
Quick update. I'm having one of those seasons where it looks like the garter gods are on my side! Almost all of my girls look gravid!! In the next month or so I will have a couple of hundred scrubs to deal with. LOL.

[Jeff B]

Nice I hope you make some silvers and silver snows...and some purple ones with pink polka dots.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

That's great man! I hope they have lots of scrubs for you!
Hey everybody
Quick update. I'm having one of those seasons where it looks like the garter gods are on my side! Almost all of my girls look gravid!! In the next month or so I will have a couple of hundred scrubs to deal with. LOL.

[Eddie]

Jeff, I thought I told you that polka dots are not coming till next year? LOL

[Zdravko092368]

Hey everybody
Quick update. I'm having one of those seasons where it looks like the garter gods are on my side! Almost all of my girls look gravid!! In the next month or so I will have a couple of hundred scrubs to deal with. LOL.

Really excited for you man, I hope you produce lots of interesting easterns this year. They are by far my favorite subspecies to own and I would love to add some more interesting ones.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Jeff, I thought I told you that polka dots are not coming till next year? LOL
Hey, back off on the polka dots...ive got the market cornered on those

[Tommytradix]

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[KRS4771]

You have beautiful snakes! Excited to see all the babies!

[Eddie]

Tommy
That Lucy looks gravid for sure!!

[Tommytradix]

she is!

[Tommytradix]

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[Tommytradix]

it seems too good to be true lol she has never refused a meal, will only eat rodents and bred right out of brumation.

[sirtalis01]

Shes a keeper lol

[Jeff B]

Tommy, i forgot is that Lucy radix or parietals?

[Tommytradix]

Tommy, i forgot is that Lucy radix or parietals?
parietalis.
i wish she was a radix haha i tried to trade her for the white sided radix that was found shortly after her. the radix is a baby and shes an adult i thought he would have jumped on it lol

[sirtalis01]

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[Jeff B]

parietalis.
i wish she was a radix haha i tried to trade her for the white sided radix that was found shortly after her. the radix is a baby and shes an adult i thought he would have jumped on it lol
I don't even have any parietalis anymore, but I would be interested in some of her babies possibly. If my lucy eastern female produces and i make some het lucy easterns this spring maybe we could do a trade.

[Tommytradix]

easterns dont like to breed for me but thanks for the offer. im keeping all of her babies cause she is small (26in) so i dont think shes going to have a lot of babies

[Albert Clark]

Several of my other projects are showing promise.... Keeping my hopes up for production from these two pairs.1444114442The other two were hiding. :)
Eastern blacknecks come out next month. We'll see how they fair. Pastels, granites will be late summer/ fall litters. Hopefully.

[Albert Clark]

And out of nowhere this guy decided he wants to eat everything in front, on the side, and in back of him! Can't wait to get him started... :) 14443

[Albert Clark]

Hoping and praying for production from these two! 14449Blue pugets...14450

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Easterns are harder to breed for some reason!
easterns dont like to breed for me but thanks for the offer. Im keeping all of her babies cause she is small (26in) so i dont think shes going to have a lot of babies

[Tommytradix]

i spent 2 years trying to get adults to breed and in that time my radix were pumping out babies lol

[guidofatherof5]

i spent 2 years trying to get adults to breed and in that time my radix were pumping out babies lol

Typical radix. Love those radi!

[Eddie]

Easterns are not for the faint of heart!! LOL

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Easterns will always be my favorite even if it means a little extra challenge!

[Zdravko092368]

I think easterns, at least the northern ones(flames, mels) really need a very long brumation to have high odds of reproductive success. The mels where I am go under in early November and come up usually in the first two weeks of April. So that's a full 6 months, sometimes longer depending on the weather.

Easterns will always be my favorite though so I'm hoping you guys can produce well this year because I NEED to buy them from you lol.

[Eddie]

First litter being born as I type. The mom is my Kentucky albino and the dad is 100% het Kentucky albino and 100% het West Virginia Anery. 3 albino's and 4 hets so far. I will keep you posted.

[sirtalis01]

Sweet

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Sweet man! Congrats!!!
First litter being born as I type. The mom is my Kentucky albino and the dad is 100% het Kentucky albino and 100% het West Virginia Anery. 3 albino's and 4 hets so far. I will keep you posted.

[Albert Clark]

Grats Eddie! Nice productions.

[Tommytradix]

congrats! how many she have?

[guidofatherof5]

New little scrubs. Love it, congrats.

[Eddie]

Looks like 7 is the number. 3 perfect albinos and 4 perfect hets. Surprising because she had 25 babies last year. Mama and babies are doing well

[indigoman]

My female T.similis dropped 22 healthy large scrubs. Pictures in the gallery. My anery/mel. redsided, T.parietalis dropped 19 3 jellies and 2 still born. Unfortunate that the only mel was one of the stills. However some are showing a pumkin orange coloring with a bleeding effect. The male was a holdback from a previous pairing of hers with a het albino. Ithought that he was het for albino and mel. due to his coloring.

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome, congrats.

[Eddie]

Congrats on those litters!!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Do you have any pics of your adult similis? I would love to see them!
my female t.similis dropped 22 healthy large scrubs. Pictures in the gallery. My anery/mel. Redsided, t.parietalis dropped 19 3 jellies and 2 still born. Unfortunate that the only mel was one of the stills. However some are showing a pumkin orange coloring with a bleeding effect. The male was a holdback from a previous pairing of hers with a het albino. Ithought that he was het for albino and mel. Due to his coloring.

[indigoman]

Sure i'll put them in the gallery. My line is high blue from Scott F.

[Albert Clark]

Nice!!! Gonna check them out. Grats.

[Tommytradix]

Snow is gravid. I did things a little bit different this time around and put 3 male b&w axanthic, 1 snow and 1 blizzard in with her. I'm hoping for all normals cause that would mean one of the b&w bred to her. But its likely the snow bred to her cause he is the biggest and strongest breeder of the group.

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[Eddie]

Nice Tommy!!

[Eddie]

Unexpected litter born. One of my redsided females gave birth. Funny thing is I bred her in late summer hoping for babies in the fall. That never happened so I hibernated her hoping to breed her again. My 2 males died coming out of hibernation so I figured I would try to pick up a male and try again next year. She had 4 albinos, 1 anery and 3 poss hets. I didn't even know they were het for albino! No snows born but they were obviously double het. I've never had a female become gravid from sperm retention but now I know it happens!! LOL

[guidofatherof5]

What a nice surprise.

[Jeff B]

First litter being born as I type. The mom is my Kentucky albino and the dad is 100% het Kentucky albino and 100% het West Virginia Anery. 3 albino's and 4 hets so far. I will keep you posted.
Congrats on first litter Ed. I'm hoping to have some litters is a couple weeks.

[Jeff B]

Unexpected litter born. One of my redsided females gave birth. Funny thing is I bred her in late summer hoping for babies in the fall. That never happened so I hibernated her hoping to breed her again. My 2 males died coming out of hibernation so I figured I would try to pick up a male and try again next year. She had 4 albinos, 1 anery and 3 poss hets. I didn't even know they were het for albino! No snows born but they were obviously double het. I've never had a female become gravid from sperm retention but now I know it happens!! LOL
That is a great surprise Ed!

[Eddie]

Thanks Jeff!! Keep us posted!!

[Eddie]

Third litter born!!
The genetics are tricky on this one but I will do my best. Going in the mother is 100% het melanistic, 50% het Schuett snow, 50% het Florida blue albino, 50% het Alexander anery and possible het silver. The father is 50% het Schuett snow, 50% het Florida blue albino, 50% het Alexander anery and possible het silver. The results are 4 albino's born and 23 normal looking multi hets. The albinos all appear to be T negative Florida blue making me believe that the Schuett line did not show up. Some of the normal looking hets are variable leading me to believe that the oddly patterned ones might darken up over time from conversations I've had with Shawn who is quite familiar with the line. It appears to me that the female ended up being !00% Florida albino and the male was also. That makes the normal looking babies, 66% het Florida blue albino, 50% het melanistic, Possible het Schuett snow, possible het Alexander anery and small shot at possible het silver. I love this time of year!!!

[Albert Clark]

Grats! It's nice starting out with those quad and multi het possible het animals. You can always count on getting a lot of variance in the litter. My condolences for the loss of the males in coming out of brumation.

[guidofatherof5]

Photos, please.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Sweet eddie congrats! I can't wait to see what the fl albino and the melanistic combos will produce! I see clean white snows for the near future! Imagine a world with clean white snow easterns, fl albino flames, and erythristic fl albinos! I can't wait man! I hope this year is going to be a comeback for FL albinos and the Alexander anery I have 2 gravid females to drop sometime in may!
third litter born!!
The genetics are tricky on this one but i will do my best. Going in the mother is 100% het melanistic, 50% het schuett snow, 50% het florida blue albino, 50% het alexander anery and possible het silver. The father is 50% het schuett snow, 50% het florida blue albino, 50% het alexander anery and possible het silver. The results are 4 albino's born and 23 normal looking multi hets. The albinos all appear to be t negative florida blue making me believe that the schuett line did not show up. Some of the normal looking hets are variable leading me to believe that the oddly patterned ones might darken up over time from conversations i've had with shawn who is quite familiar with the line. It appears to me that the female ended up being !00% florida albino and the male was also. That makes the normal looking babies, 66% het florida blue albino, 50% het melanistic, possible het schuett snow, possible het alexander anery and small shot at possible het silver. I love this time of year!!!

[Jeff B]

Congrats Ed. I think that the best chance of producing a clean white snow would be the combo of melanistic and florida albino. The fact that you didn't make any melanistics in that litter makes it likely that one or both of the parents are NOT het melanistic unfortunately. Sadly odds are at least one of the parents isn't silver either, but I hope that at least one of the parents is het silver so the gene is still hiding out in that litter waiting to surprise you or someone later. Do you have any more chances to make silvers this spring?

[Zdravko092368]

Jeff are you still working with golden and flamexgolden?

[Eddie]

Congrats Ed. I think that the best chance of producing a clean white snow would be the combo of melanistic and florida albino. The fact that you didn't make any melanistics in that litter makes it likely that one or both of the parents are NOT het melanistic unfortunately. Sadly odds are at least one of the parents isn't silver either, but I hope that at least one of the parents is het silver so the gene is still hiding out in that litter waiting to surprise you or someone later. Do you have any more chances to make silvers this spring?

The mother is 100% het Melanistic. The father was just a poss het and did not prove out. I am expecting 4 more litters from her sisters that were bred to the brothers so I should at least get Melanistics. Possibly snows. Not sure just yet. Time will tell. LOL

[Zdravko092368]

The mother is 100% het Melanistic. The father was just a poss het and did not prove out. I am expecting 4 more litters from her sisters that were bred to the brothers so I should at least get Melanistics. Possibly snows. Not sure just yet. Time will tell. LOL




Lol you sure do have a lot going on, congrats on the litters so far and the rest to come. Exciting stuff hope you can produce some of the unique stuff that isn't around much anymore!

[Zdravko092368]

Bland? Are you crazy, lol! Maybe i'm just a little biased! I love everything about easterns and all their great morphs! I do want to see the goldens, silvers, and leucistics reproduced in the near future, but what's bland about erythristics, flames, albinos, aneries, all the combos, and all the natural variations? I guess i'm like steve with his radix, lol! For some reason easterns are harder to reproduce and some of the morphs like the silver seam to be weaker than average babies. I still love them! Ed i hope you produce hundreds of goldens and maybe even some silvers and leucistics and send some my way, lol!

Never saw this until now, what I meant by bland is barely anyone is producing anything and the amazing morphs are all currently huddled into 2-3 peoples mostly private collections. There's tons going on with them but nothing available lol.

Even mels and quality flames are super hard to find compared to 5-10 years ago. Nobody has any dirty snow easterns anymore, silver is mostly gone, Leucistics the same thing. Goldens are all currently with 2-3 people, same with Anery. I want to own them all but they just aren't available lol.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Agreed! I hope to see eastern morphs make a comback!
never saw this until now, what i meant by bland is barely anyone is producing anything and the amazing morphs are all currently huddled into 2-3 peoples mostly private collections. There's tons going on with them but nothing available lol.

Even mels and quality flames are super hard to find compared to 5-10 years ago. Nobody has any dirty snow easterns anymore, silver is mostly gone, leucistics the same thing. Goldens are all currently with 2-3 people, same with anery. I want to own them all but they just aren't available lol.

[Eddie]

I'm working on it fella's!! LOL

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I hope to produce, erythristics, ery flames, ery albinos, ery albino flames, classic flames, albino flames, alexander anery, schuett albino, florida albino, maybe some clean white snows, possibly some melanistic and schuett snows, and lots of hets this season. I have several gravid girls at the moment so fingers crossed!

[Zdravko092368]

Reading that and seeing both of your breeding lists gets me so excited lol, I am obsessed with easterns and I want every kind there is lol. Goldens have also been on my radar since they were originally produced just not many chances to get any.

[Eddie]

I'm working on Golden hets also! lol

[Jeff B]

Jeff are you still working with golden and flamexgolden?
Yes hoping to produce some golden flames. I have 4 females that are erythristic flame het goldens bred by the same.

[Zdravko092368]

Yes hoping to produce some golden flames. I have 4 females that are erythristic flame het goldens bred by the same.

Congratulations. Very cool stuff. IDC low end or just pure golden look. Anything works for me. Its a very unique look for easterns and I need it lol.

I want a display of eastern males someday of ten or more to show off their extreme variability.

[Eddie]

Jeff, put me down for some ery/goldens!! lol

[Eddie]

Fourth litter born
24 babies in all. 1 melanistic that is poss het Schuett snow, poss het Florida albino, poss het Alexander anery and a real small possibility poss het silver. The other 23 are 66% het melanistic, poss het Schuett snow, poss het Florida albino, poss het Alexander anery and again a real small shot at poss het silver. Mom and the babies are doing great! One of the babies was born with 1 eye. If it survives I will hold that one back. Unless you want it Steve! LOL

[Jeff B]

Nice litter! Congrats

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!! More on the way

[Tommytradix]

I'm a lil late but 2 weeks ago I had a litter of 21 healthy babies. No stills or slugs. The pairing was (F) B&w axanthic x (M) Snow 100% het blue axanthic. All babies are normals 100% het B&w axanthic, albino, anery and 66% het blue axanthic. These babies have tons if potential!! I believe in my heart a new morph will be produced from the mixing of b&w x albino. I'm holding the whole litter back and breeding every one of them unless I'm super male heavy lol I have been doing this pairing for almost 3 years now and have always got slugs except 2 years ago I paired b&w x albino and got 4.4 and sadly all 4 males died so I sold 2 females and held onto 2. Next season I plan to breed the male hets to them. Fingers crossed for a new morph...

[Eddie]

Congrats Tommy!!

[Tommytradix]

These babies will produce all morphs mentioned above plus snows and blizzards. That's 6 morphs! (If you count the possibility of a new morph lol)

[Tommytradix]

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[Tommytradix]

Most of the babies had an extremely thin sack or popped out already out of the sack. First time I've had that happen. Usually they are born with a sack they have to break out of and sometimes bleed where it was attached but I think if these guys stayed in a day longer they all would have died. She was gravid for 67 days. Its the longest any of my garters went. Most have their litter 55-62 days

[Albert Clark]

Nice production Tommie! Congrats, and good luck with the possibility of producing a new morph.

[Tommytradix]

thanks albert!

[Eddie]

I love the turtle shell hide!!

[Tommytradix]

Thanks Eddie. I find them in the woods. I have 12 of them now. Mostly box turtles 2 are mud turtles. I use those for babies.

[Tommytradix]

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Most of the babies have shed and have lightened up a lot.

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful scrubs.

[Eddie]

Litter 5 born. My extreme red ery/flame het albino female had 25 babies. The father is an ery albino that is flat out awesome. I got him from Tom a few years back. Thanks Tom!. She had 14 ery/flame albinos and 11 ery/flame 100% het albinos. Mom and babies are doing well. I will try to post pics as soon as possible!

[Jeff B]

Nice litter Ed congrats. Can't wait to see pics.

[Zdravko092368]

Litter 5 born. My extreme red ery/flame het albino female had 25 babies. The father is an ery albino that is flat out awesome. I got him from Tom a few years back. Thanks Tom!. She had 14 ery/flame albinos and 11 ery/flame 100% het albinos. Mom and babies are doing well. I will try to post pics as soon as possible!

That's great news, love all the awesome litters easterns are throwing right now. I'm thinking of selling a lot of my stuff so I can dedicate more time and resources to easterns this year, they are the best. :)

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats Ed. Looking forward to seeing the scrubs.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Awesome! Now i'm ready for a few of mine to pop, lol!

[Eddie]

Super small 6th litter born. Female is an ery/flame 100% het albino and the father is a killer ery/albino. 2 ery/flame albino's and 2 het's. 1 of the hets was still born leaving only 3 babies. Mom is doing well and so are the babies.

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats.

[Albert Clark]

Wow! Looks like I will be playing catch up. Nice work fellas!

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!! I'm still waiting on a couple to pop. I'm hoping for big things lol!!

[Manitou]

Easterns are harder to breed for some reason!


Easterns are not for the faint of heart!! LOL


Easterns will always be my favorite even if it means a little extra challenge!


I think easterns, at least the northern ones(flames, mels) really need a very long brumation to have high odds of reproductive success...

I'm thinking the challenge/difficulty is not just long brumation. For the record I've never bred any kind of Garters, but I got a brain in my head and am an astute observer of what goes on in the outdoors here in the Catskill Mountains. I'm thinking that to mimic the natural temperature fluctuation would be the best bet.

I'm thinking of acquiring a pair or two or a trio or two at some point this summer and housing them outside on an outdoor deck safe from predators. Exposure to some direct sunlight but mostly shade just like I have been observing them in the wild for the last 40+ years. Temperature at sunrise = cold then a gradual increase to late afternoon = hot then a gradual decrease to sunrise again = cold again. In the Fall when temperatures begin to near the freezing point then they would be brought indoors and go into the fridge.

Temperatures in captivity seem too constant. Too constant on an hourly basis, weekly basis, and monthly basis. Brumation in captivity takes place in refrigerators does it? But what we see outside, for example, if Garters brumate from about the Fall equinox to about the Spring equinox = for example:

average about 60 degrees Sept-Oct
average about 50 degrees Oct-Nov
average about 40 degrees Nov-Dec
average about 40 degrees Dec-Jan
(of course <0 degrees above ground, but >32 degrees in the brumation dens)
average about 50 degrees Jan-Feb
average about 60 degrees Feb-Mar

Is brumation in the fridge done like this?

Then even after the Garters are out and about eating, sleeping, drinking, and fornicating the temperatures are STILL fluctuating wildly. The temperature here is almost never the same for more than a few hours at a time. The difference between sunrise and late afternoon here can literally be up to a 50 degree difference in a 24 hour period. Yes mid-Summer days can be 40F at sunrise here and then 12hrs later peak at 90F during late afternoon - outside where the Garters are. And their heart rate, their metabolism, closely correlated with the temperature. We have seen this here so I am sure they are seeing it in latitudes north of here &/or at altitudes higher than here. They are nearly paralyzed with cold in the morning and then are super active later in the afternoon.

But we don't see this degree of fluctuation in captivity on a daily basis or an annual basis.

Okay, now you experienced breeders tear up this newbie - bring it.

[Eddie]

I would say we tend to over think it as hobbyists. I have been breeding garters for many years and brumation seams to play a very limited roll in captive born and raised animals. I have had big litters, small liters, still born litters and beans at different times and under similar and different circumstances. I now prefer to just cool the animals by removing light and heat sources for a month or so. And then i just turn the lights and heat back on and introduce the males and females a day or 2 later. I always seam to be overwhelmed with babies so I must be doing something right! LOL

[Eddie]

7th litter born! 10 healthy babies. 2 albinos, 4 melanistics and 4 66% poss het snow's. The babies and mother are doing fine. These babies are all also poss het silver. No snows were born this year but this same male and female produced snows last year.

[guidofatherof5]

7th litter born! 10 healthy babies. 2 albinos, 4 melanistics and 4 66% poss het snow's. The babies and mother are doing fine. These babies are all also poss het silver. No snows were born this year but this same male and female produced snows last year.

Awesome. Photos when you have time, dad.

[Jeff B]

I would say we tend to over think it as hobbyists. I have been breeding garters for many years and brumation seams to play a very limited roll in captive born and raised animals. I have had big litters, small liters, still born litters and beans at different times and under similar and different circumstances. I now prefer to just cool the animals by removing light and heat sources for a month or so. And then i just turn the lights and heat back on and introduce the males and females a day or 2 later. I always seam to be overwhelmed with babies so I must be doing something right! LOL

ditto..what he said

[Jeff B]

7th litter born! 10 healthy babies. 2 albinos, 4 melanistics and 4 66% poss het snow's. The babies and mother are doing fine. These babies are all also poss het silver. No snows were born this year but this same male and female produced snows last year.

Nice little litter, those mels are high demand. Congrats Ed

[Tommytradix]

Wow ed your having a excellent season. Congrats!

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!!

[Albert Clark]

Congrats Ed! I am still waiting on production from my 3 big projects. West coast infernalis, t.s. pickeringii, and t.c. ocelatus. I must say they all are looking promising. I did put the t. marcianus group in to brumation, except for the albino pastel girl who I am bent on putting more size on. Maybe next season for her. My male pickeringii is permanently afflicted with the head tilt (opisthotonos) due to the thiamine deficiency he suffered but does seem to have adjusted well.

[Tommytradix]

I caught my pugets courting last night so should have some if those coming and my snow and normal het albino &b&w is getting huge. The normal het is only about 4 weeks in so I'm thinking she is gonna have a massive litter


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[Albert Clark]

Uh oh! Infernalis female dropped a little while ago. So far I counted 16 live scrubs and 6 stills. Of the 6 stills 3 still in the sac. Never broke out. The other 3 are out the membrane but just d.o.a. now. Mom looks like she still has to deliver more. Pics in the am.

[Eddie]

Congrats Albert!!!!!

[guidofatherof5]

"Eagerly awaiting photos"

[Albert Clark]

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Congrats Albert!!!!!. Thank you Eddie. Nothing like seeing those little scrubs all over the tub and you know they've arrived.


"Eagerly awaiting photos". Sure. Gotcha Steve. She dropped one more still and seems to be finished. I miscounted the live scrubs, we are sitting on 12 and a whopping 7 stills.

[Albert Clark]

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[Albert Clark]

Dad...came from Shawn. "Pianchi" line infernalis14599 This was Shawn's picture of the male.

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[Jeff B]

Dad...came from Shawn. "Pianchi" line infernalis14599 This was Shawn's picture of the male.

Mom...came from Jeff. Neon blue infernalis14600

Congrats Al, great litter, I am glad someone is producing those this year, doesn't look like I will be having any infernalis babies this season. BTW I believe Pianchi got his stock from Scott Felzer as well so they are descendants from the same line but with several people breeding there is quite a bit of diversity circulating in the hobby now, and your babies coming from parents from different people is a good thing to add to the genetic diversity. Not sure how many will ever come from wild at this point so it's good to keep them going strong in captivity.

[Albert Clark]

Congrats Al, great litter, I am glad someone is producing those this year, doesn't look like I will be having any infernalis babies this season. BTW I believe Pianchi got his stock from Scott Felzer as well so they are descendants from the same line but with several people breeding there is quite a bit of diversity circulating in the hobby now, and your babies coming from parents from different people is a good thing to add to the genetic diversity. Not sure how many will ever come from wild at this point so it's good to keep them going strong in captivity.. Thank you! For this information and the congrats. The other Infernalis female was obtained from parties in Arizona (Scott Felzer line) and the male (neon blue) came from Jay aka (invisible snake) here on the forum. I hope she drops soon.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Congrats albert!