Witch species it is ?

[rami59]

Hello,

Can you say me witch species it is exactly only with this pictures ?

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[slipknot711]

This looks like a ribbon snake to me (im using my phone so picture is a bit small)

[SnakeSavvy]

It's definitely either garter or ribbon closest I could find right now is the common/eastern garter Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis. It's a good looking snake though ;)

[rami59]

This picture is better i think
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[Spankenstyne]

Eastern Ribbon imo.

[rami59]

The store tell me it s a thamnophis proximus diabolicus. How to be sure of that ?

[slipknot711]

rami that would make it a western ribbon snake. you could google more info

[rami59]

OK but i m looking to be sure of the specie. Is it a way to do that? anybody else has got a th. Proximus diabolicus?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

it's either T proximus diabolicus or T sauritus sackenii. Nice looking snake!
The store tell me it s a thamnophis proximus diabolicus. How to be sure of that ?

[rami59]

Yes ') But witch one ? That s not easy to find a response.
There is a description un the link below
Somebody can help me to find the best way to compare these 2 species? (Th. Proximus diabolicus vs Th. Sauritus sackenii) cause i don t understand every english word and translate by Google is not the best.
Western ribbon snake photo - Thamnophis proximus - G115107 | ARKive (http://www.arkive.org/western-ribbon-snake/thamnophis-proximus/image-G115107.html)

Sorry to disturb

[rami59]

Up :/ Nobody can help me about how i can be sure than i have a proximus diabolicus or a sauritus sackenii ?

[indigoman]

Without a history of origin I find no visual indications to go against the pet stores identification.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I agree, it looks like diabolicus and that's what the shop said it was so without any history of origin you'll have to trust that they got it right.
Without a history of origin I find no visual indications to go against the pet stores identification.

[Spankenstyne]

Agree. Got my Eastern & Westerns mixed up.. It's why the scientific names are usually the better route.

T. p. diabolicus

[rami59]

What do you mean by 'Got my Eastern & Westerns mixed up' ?

[snipstedy]

Wow nice snake!! I'm no expert but I have been looking through a good many of sites/pics of these because mine is very similar. This really looks like a T. Sauritus Sackenii (peninsula ribbon) with the greyish brown color and no dots on the head (or little to none from the pic). They usually have either no spots on the head or sometimes they do but they are pale . Its good to see that your able to handle it. I'm trying to find one so mine has some company.I would take a pic but I recently moved and mine is still skiddish from the move finally eating again today.

[joeysgreen]

The Peterson Field Guide describes T.p.diabolicus as with the typical orange vertebral stripe of the western ribbons. It's poor practice to latch on to a specific perimeter though as individual variation can be rampant.