Im new so dont strangle me!?

[Saji]

I like GARTER SNAKES as is...why all the genetic messing?


Saji

[Saji]

I'm the guy that will still give you a buck for coffee. get real.

[guidofatherof5]

I like GARTER SNAKES as is...why all the genetic messing?


Saji

Explain what you mean by "messing"

[slipknot711]

if i understand correctly. why does any snake owner deal with or try to produce morphs? everyone on this forum id assume atleast to an extent appreciates the natural specimens of garters, and a few do a great deal of preserving them in the wild that way. but when it comes to pets and wanting a gorgeous show piece etc etc what does it matter? i personally only have naturally occuring easterns. but my favorites happen to be morphs. i hope i didnt go off on a tangent and not understand your point lol

[Saji]

I guess I came off wrong. I think morphs are cool. I personally only keep "regular" garters, I could maybe see myslef getting an albino. I dont know, I dont know much about morphs. I was just wondering (I'm also a little old school) if all this breeding for certain colors can do anything adverse to the snake?

I am not a breeder so I dont know.

Sorry for quoting a greatful dead song. It just seemed to fit in my far out mind:D

Saji

[slipknot711]

im sorry if i misunderstood, Ill let the "garter guys" take the lead on this one as far as garters go as im a newbie. i love natural coloring on garters... but something about the high red easterns really gets me going haha, have yet to find one i can afford.

[Saji]

im sorry if i misunderstood, Ill let the "garter guys" take the lead on this one as far as garters go as im a newbie. i love natural coloring on garters... but something about the high red easterns really gets me going haha, have yet to find one i can afford.


I think some of the most experienced Thamnophis keepers will agree their "newbies" too. There is always more to learn:p

[slipknot711]

that is very true! but im the one that has to keep asking if my garter is gravid or just a fatso haha

[Saji]

This is my only Thamnophis...

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[guidofatherof5]

I like GARTER SNAKES as is...why all the genetic messing?


Saji


I guess I came off wrong. I think morphs are cool. I personally only keep "regular" garters, I could maybe see myslef getting an albino. I dont know, I dont know much about morphs. I was just wondering (I'm also a little old school) if all this breeding for certain colors can do anything adverse to the snake?

I am not a breeder so I dont know.

Sorry for quoting a greatful dead song. It just seemed to fit in my far out mind:D

Saji


I think that depends on each pair that is being bred, their genetic history and relationship genetically to each other. Certain factors can certainly cause problems for the offspring and future offspring. Hopefully, Jeff B. will see this thread and give us his opinion as he is more versed in genetics and the breeding of morphs.

[Zdravko092368]

Morphs are found all over the wild and there's even established populations of morphs. Some places in Canada have up to a 40% rate of wild individual Thamnophis Sirtalis being melanistic. High concentration s of mild flame garters are found in parts of Canada as well. So they are as is. ;)

[Jeff B]

It depends....lol

[Saji]

Classic, LMAO!

[guidofatherof5]

It depends....lol

That's it? "It depends" I give you a big build up and that's all you could come up with? "it depends":D

:D Classic. You've got me rolling here, Jeff. :D