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gibble888
09-29-2013, 04:08 PM
Wild caught in colarado springd,co....i was thinking wandering....second opinion please9751

guidofatherof5
09-29-2013, 05:52 PM
I would also say, T. e. vagrans (Wandering garter snake)

gibble888
09-29-2013, 06:16 PM
Thanks steve:)

guidofatherof5
09-29-2013, 06:21 PM
Thanks steve:)

Get a few more suggestions as I'm not very familiar with Wandering.

gibble888
09-29-2013, 06:50 PM
That was the first thing that popped in my head but it could be an eastern as far as i can really tell...they look so similar.

guidofatherof5
09-29-2013, 08:27 PM
The location and to close dots along the dorsal stripe say "Wandering" to me.

BLUESIRTALIS
09-30-2013, 06:30 AM
Correct!
I would also say, T. e. vagrans (Wandering garter snake)

gibble888
09-30-2013, 11:22 AM
My guess seems good...thanks guys

ConcinusMan
10-07-2013, 06:54 PM
Next time just count the upper labial scales. 8 is T. elegans.

Here's a list of garters found in CO. They all have 7 upper labial scales except for T. elegans which has 8.



W. Blackneck Garter Snake - Thamnophis c. cyrtopsis (S.E. to S.W. CO) Uncommon
Western Terrestrial Garter Snake - Thamnophis elegans vagrans("Wandering" subspecies) (Most of Colorado) Common

Plains Garter Snake - Thamnophis radix (Eastern Slope) Common
Red Sided Garter Snake - Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis (North-Central to N.E. CO) Common

Stefan-A
10-08-2013, 12:25 AM
Next time just count the upper labial scales. 8 is T. elegans.

Count them on both sides. It's not necessarily 8 on both.

gibble888
10-08-2013, 04:43 AM
Next time just count the upper labial scales. 8 is T. elegans.

Here's a list of garters found in CO. They all have 7 upper labial scales except for T. elegans which has 8.



W. Blackneck Garter Snake - Thamnophis c. cyrtopsis (S.E. to S.W. CO) Uncommon
Western Terrestrial Garter Snake - Thamnophis elegans vagrans("Wandering" subspecies) (Most of Colorado) Common

Plains Garter Snake - Thamnophis radix (Eastern Slope) Common
Red Sided Garter Snake - Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis (North-Central to N.E. CO) Common
. noted....thanks