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Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:15 PM
Lulu, no one resembles me! Well, not deliberately anyway!
my thoughts exactly! thats why i am convinced its you lol
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:15 PM
Anji, you need never be lonely here.....I'm betting you're at least as hot as me (chilly) or even as hot as Lulu (smoking). Post your photo in "pics of me" for an instant personal stalker!
Sounds great, but in case you haven't been reading my Welcome Lounge thread, pics aren't exactly my forte!!!! But just for the record- I am one HOT mama!!!:D:D:D:D
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:15 PM
thats the easy part.......:eek:hahahha:D
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:16 PM
Mmmm sounds promising :D
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:17 PM
Anji, I believe you....I will commence the stalking immediately!:D
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:17 PM
And don't worry Lulu, James has a LONG way to go to park himself in front of my house!!!
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:17 PM
i told you Anji lol
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:18 PM
Anji, I believe you....I will commence the stalking immediately!:D
Hope you have enough for the airfare honey!;)
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:18 PM
Anji, where there is a will there is a way lol
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:18 PM
And don't worry Lulu, James has a LONG way to go to park himself in front of my house!!!
I don't though, we could team up James..........:rolleyes::D
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:19 PM
Did I mention...my Dad was Canadian? I have contacts!:eek:
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:19 PM
I don't though, we could team up James..........:rolleyes::D
anji, HIDE!!!
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:20 PM
Hey, if we keep this conversation going long enough, we'll all reach 1000 posts!!:p
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:20 PM
Did I mention...my Dad was Canadian? I have contacts!:eek:
thats even better............hahaha:D
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:21 PM
I don't though, we could team up James..........:rolleyes::D
Oh crap- I forgot about YOU!!
Nevermind I was just kidding- I actually won an ugly contest last week....:eek::eek:
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:21 PM
lol anji and justin
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:21 PM
Hey, if we keep this conversation going long enough, we'll all reach 1000 posts!!:p
don't try and change the subject now.........its to late......:eek::D
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:22 PM
I'm already rowing across the Atlantic! (In my mind!!!!)
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:23 PM
don't try and change the subject now.........its to late......:eek::D
as i said before Anji HIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:24 PM
james do you want a boa?
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:24 PM
AAAAHHHHHH!!!!! My mom always warned me about psycho stalkers on the internet!
HELLLLPPPPP!!!!:eek:
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:24 PM
I'm already rowing across the Atlantic! (In my mind!!!!)
WOW, now that is really scary, but I like it...............:D;)
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:25 PM
nearly there............:eek:
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:25 PM
as i said before Anji HIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
I am cowering in my basement as we speak.
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:25 PM
i tried to warn you hun lol
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:26 PM
Oh forget about hiding- you guys don't even know what I look like, and Windsor is big enough....... I think...... yikes!!!!!!!
Are you here yet????????????
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:26 PM
james do you want a boa?
What? Really? I couldn't say I actually want one, but if you're stuck for space I could hold it for you...short term. :)
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:26 PM
the car is gone from of the front, atleast he has left me alone lol
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:27 PM
I was to Ontario once to see the falls, but that was a long while ago......
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:28 PM
These basement windows are low down, but I think I see you!!!
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:28 PM
it bit my face i am too scared to hold it now lol do you think chloe will want one?
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:28 PM
the car is gone from of the front, atleast he has left me alone lol
Yes, but you're SO much easier for him to get to- so don't let your guard down yet dearie!:)
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:29 PM
You could ask. I would expect a buyer wouldn't be too hard to find if you want rid.
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:29 PM
it bit my face i am too scared to hold it now lol do you think chloe will want one?
it was only a love bite, I saw the pic.............:rolleyes:;)
I'd bite too.........hahaha!!!!!
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:30 PM
Yes, but you're SO much easier for him to get to- so don't let your guard down yet dearie!:)
oh shoot dont remind me lol
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:30 PM
I was to Ontario once to see the falls, but that was a long while ago......
Well, I'm a LONG WALK from the falls- HA! (am I starting to sound paranoid???)
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:30 PM
Yes, but you're SO much easier for him to get to- so don't let your guard down yet dearie!:)
The scary part is...you think I'm kidding! Trick or treat?:eek:
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:30 PM
You could ask. I would expect a buyer wouldn't be too hard to find if you want rid.
need to sell it the lad want Ģ50 for it
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:31 PM
need to sell it the lad want Ģ50 for it
I'll ask around. Have you put it on the 'classifieds'?
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:32 PM
The scary part is...you think I'm kidding! Trick or treat?:eek:
darn anji i tried to distract him with myboa but it didn't work, your on your own lol good luck!
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:32 PM
The scary part is...you think I'm kidding! Trick or treat?:eek:
James have you taken your meds yet?:eek:
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:32 PM
yup but as a brb lol
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:34 PM
yup but as a brb lol
Best post it again then, Lou!:)
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:34 PM
James have you taken your meds yet?:eek:
they dont let him take meds out of the hospital incase he tries to sell to school kids lol (james i'll take 5 for Ģ10):rolleyes:
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:34 PM
James have you taken your meds yet?:eek:
Ohhhh, is that what's the matter with him?? I'm throw some wine and prozac out the basement window, that oughta take care of him!:D:D
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:35 PM
Ohhhh, is that what's the matter with him?? I'm throw some wine and prozac out the basement window, that oughta take care of him!:D:D
make sure its red wine lol merlot should do the trick lol
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:36 PM
Ohhhh, is that what's the matter with him?? I'm throw some wine and prozac out the basement window, that oughta take care of him!:D:D
well maybe the wine would, prozac might be like viagra to him...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!!:D:D
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:36 PM
Sorry guys, I got to go to bed....busy day tomorrow. Let's play again tomorrow might though?:)
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:37 PM
Yup I think I hear snoring outside- sounds like I'm safe......for now!
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:37 PM
well maybe the wine would, prozac might be like viagra to him...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!!:D:D
PMSL hahahahahahaha!
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:37 PM
Good night, psycho!
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:37 PM
night James!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Sorry guys, I got to go to bed....busy day tomorrow. Let's play again tomorrow might though?:)
good night sweety sleep tight xxxxx
adamanteus
10-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Yup I think I hear snoring outside- sounds like I'm safe......for now!
But don't go to sleep! Night guys!:D
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:39 PM
lol night night xxx
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:39 PM
What time is it over in the UK anyway??
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:41 PM
00:40 lol too late what about over there?
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:42 PM
00:40 lol too late what about over there?
you poor thing you should get some sleep...........:rolleyes:;)
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:43 PM
It's only 7:40 here!! You're right- you should all be tucked in by now!
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:43 PM
i am brewing coffee lol i cant sleep the car is back!!!
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:44 PM
i am brewing coffee lol i cant sleep the car is back!!!
for real, thats pretty creepy....................:eek:
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:44 PM
what about in the US justin?
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:45 PM
i am brewing coffee lol i cant sleep the car is back!!!
Well then.....either James is lying about going to sleep, or....... you got alotta stalkers girlie!:p:p
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:45 PM
well my part of the US and Canada are the same time, only diff. by like five minutes.......
ssssnakeluvr
10-10-2007, 05:46 PM
it's a quarter til 600 here in utah....almost time for the simpsons!!!!!!
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:47 PM
Well then.....either James is lying about going to sleep, or....... you got alotta stalkers girlie!:p:p
lol i was joking guys i am in the loft i cant see the road lol
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:47 PM
Yay!! Justin and I are timezone buddies!!!!!
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:47 PM
it's a quarter til 600 here in utah....almost time for the simpsons!!!!!!
simpsons is on at 6 over there too lol cool
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:48 PM
Hi, Don! You just missed all the fun!!
ssssnakeluvr
10-10-2007, 05:48 PM
and again tonite at 1030!!!:D
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:49 PM
Don you big kid you................;)
ssssnakeluvr
10-10-2007, 05:49 PM
that figures....a day late and a dollar short again!! lol!!!! :eek:
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:50 PM
simpsons is cool lol don you did just miss all the fun though lol
ssssnakeluvr
10-10-2007, 05:51 PM
darn it.....:( maybe next time.....:D
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:51 PM
that figures....a day late and a dollar short again!! lol!!!! :eek:
that's okay, I don't think I have the energy to deal with any more stalkers today!:p
ssssnakeluvr
10-10-2007, 05:52 PM
then i shall stalk another day!! lol!!!! :eek:
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:53 PM
that's okay, I don't think I have the energy to deal with any more stalkers today!:p
what stalkers...........:confused:
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:54 PM
Justin, do you have alzheimer's or something?? Or is rowing to canada in your mind just normal everyday behaviour for you??
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 05:56 PM
Justin, do you have alzheimer's or something?? Or is rowing to canada in your mind just normal everyday behaviour for you??
ok you caught me, I'm always sick minded, always have been.......:o:D
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:57 PM
Well as long as you're willing to admit it, then that's okay!:D
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 05:58 PM
ok you caught me, I'm always sick minded, always have been.......:o:D
not suprised lol
anji1971
10-10-2007, 05:59 PM
Well, it's been a blast but i have kids to put to bed and a house to tidy, so I'm off for now!
good night all!!!
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 06:00 PM
not suprised lol
I can take almost anything and make a sick or perverted thing out of it............................:rolleyes::D
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 06:01 PM
good night...........sleep tight don't let James bite..........:D:D
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 06:05 PM
night night anji
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 06:27 PM
night night anji
I think its really past your bed time............:p
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 06:29 PM
lol its 01:29 i think you might be about right lol
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 06:37 PM
lol its 01:29 i think you might be about right lol
well good night then, and I'm gonna go as well..............:)
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 06:58 PM
lol you said you were going nearly 30mins ago lol
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 07:01 PM
lol you said you were going nearly 30mins ago lol
yeah but I always love to lend the helping hand........lol
but since you want me to leave I will.........:Ž(
Lulu Bennett
10-10-2007, 07:04 PM
as i have just wrote lol i am off to bed now i am shattered lol
enigma200316
10-10-2007, 07:05 PM
as i have just wrote lol i am off to bed now i am shattered lol
just kidding good night.................:D
Stefan-A
10-12-2007, 09:10 AM
Been cruising from flea market to flea market today, looking for old aquariums or anything else that could be used as a terrarium. Found nothing, except for an old scratched overpriced faunarium. But I also found a couple of cabinets with sliding doors, that could be converted into terrariums in half an hour. For a couple of minutes I considered buying them, but I don't even need them.. I really don't feel like using tubs, even if they are cheap, and I don't want to invest in any new ones.
drache
10-14-2007, 05:11 AM
nobody's ever up when I am - except Mikhaila and she's off to neopets and tweaking html codes
me, I'm still working on my veterinary abandonment issues
I just can't get Jeff to move to PA
move to Pa its great!!!!!!
Stefan-A
10-15-2007, 03:11 AM
Great. Just visited an organic farm and now my clothes smell like cow urine.
drache
10-15-2007, 04:12 AM
move to Pa its great!!!!!!
I'm sure that's true
I'm just not ready to be a single mom
hey
can anyone help me with my cat dilemma?
Mikhaila went to a big cat show yesterday and guess what?
no she hasn't brought any home, although she spent about a half hour on the phone with Jeff, trying to talk him into it, while I was at Petlands, getting stuff and once again wondering why I can't "save" every garter and ribbon they have
when I got back to our fully loaded zipcar, Jeff was still on the phone and there came the historic moment when I heard Jeff say:
"no cats! snakes - yes, lizards - yes, spiders and bugs - yes, but no cats!"
now I see that this rescue in CT has two Maine Coons - they're siblings - and I'm kind of wavering
we still have all our cat stuff
it's just that I'm still unpacking from the move and hadn't planned to even think about cats or dogs 'til spring
if we get cats - they'll be strictly indoors, because of the large number of strays in the hood
that means hair everywhere
oh, I don't know
ssssnakeluvr
10-15-2007, 07:29 AM
Maine coons?!?!! my fave!!!!! got my second one a few years ago from our shelter after my first one passed away. Wonderful (and large) cats!! Keep working on him.....ladies can be very persuasive!!!!
Lori P
10-15-2007, 09:35 AM
Rhea, of COURSE you need to go adopt those cats! They need you. What's a little cat hair in trade for the kitty purrs you'll fall asleep to every night? And Jeff will adapt. Males of our species are very trainable. LOL :D
Lori P
10-15-2007, 09:36 AM
Great. Just visited an organic farm and now my clothes smell like cow urine.
Er-- Stefan? That was a little random. Smelling any better today??
drache
10-15-2007, 03:52 PM
I think we've won him over
Mikhaila has to pass a test
and i have to find out, whether the cats are still available
meanwhile, I've yet another foiled snake escape story
I do need to get this sliding door thing down a bit better
it was Hermione, the red-spot mama
I was gonna feed her, but she wasn't home
thankfully she hadn't got far
AND
she proved to me once and for all
right in front of my eyes
that a snake with a 1.5cm body diameter can fit through a crack 0.15cm wide
I caught her dangling between the shelf and the wall
I thought she was stuck
but by the time I'd gotten the phillips she was hitting the road
and she bit me! hard! bleeding and all (can't say it hurt at all, but I did call her a female dog a few times, because of the battle atmosphere)
now she's in her dining hall with a little tub full of pinkies and minnows
I noticed she was just sucking down the last pinkie, while there were still minnows in the dish
I must say
I cannot help feeling a bit triumphant
I do have to figure out how to better secure those sliding door tanks
Stefan-A
10-15-2007, 11:21 PM
Er-- Stefan? That was a little random. Smelling any better today??
Random is my specialty. ;) To answer your question; Yes.
Lori P
10-16-2007, 10:11 AM
Should you ever feel the need to smell funky again, go to a goat farm. That male goat smell will knock your socks off. When I was breeding milk goats and kept a few bucks on the farm, I could clear out a room fast... it's great when you're at the grocery store, people with one item to your 50 start going, "Oh, please, go ahead of me, really, I insist!".... LOLOL :-)
Lulu Bennett
10-16-2007, 11:33 AM
hi guys, everyone ok?
adamanteus
10-16-2007, 12:27 PM
Hi guys.:) Sorry I haven't been around much the past couple of days. I have a stinker of a cold...even my hair hurts! Hopefully I'll be feeling better by the weekend, and I can give you my undivided attention again.
Please don't be relunctant to pile on the sympathy...I need all I can get!:D
Lori P
10-16-2007, 12:40 PM
Hi James! Were you gone?? :D
Just kidding. I'm sorry you're sick! I hope your hair feels better soon...
HUGS!! :)
Lulu Bennett
10-16-2007, 01:10 PM
awww James hugs and kisses from all of us hunny xxx
Lulu Bennett
10-16-2007, 01:57 PM
Bloody hell its quiet in here tonight! where is everyone?
Lulu Bennett
10-16-2007, 02:03 PM
Dudes come on i am bored talk to me :(:mad:
Lori P
10-16-2007, 02:25 PM
Lulu, I for one am still at work... it's 4:30 here... 1/2 hour to go. The darn vets keep calling in and bugging me so I can't play on the computer as much as I want... lol
Lulu Bennett
10-16-2007, 02:45 PM
Lulu, I for one am still at work... it's 4:30 here... 1/2 hour to go. The darn vets keep calling in and bugging me so I can't play on the computer as much as I want... lol
lol whats the vet want? everything ok?
its 21:45 here lol what a time difference. forget about that lol
Lori P
10-16-2007, 02:49 PM
Yes, everything's fine. I work for two mobile horse vets, so they are always out on the road making farm calls, and while it's great that they aren't here in the office hanging over my shoulder, some days they call and call and call and drive me nuts!! I don't know how those two ever survive a day alone... :-)
Lulu Bennett
10-16-2007, 02:59 PM
lol they just want to hear your voice. it keeps them thinking straight lol
enigma200316
10-16-2007, 04:24 PM
Hi guys.:) Sorry I haven't been around much the past couple of days. I have a stinker of a cold...even my hair hurts! Hopefully I'll be feeling better by the weekend, and I can give you my undivided attention again.
Please don't be relunctant to pile on the sympathy...I need all I can get!:D
sorry to hear that James, hope you feel better soon mate.........:)
sorry to here about that james, you sure your gonna live?lol
o sweet im getting close to my 1000 post what should i pick?
drache
10-17-2007, 08:32 AM
didn't we have a fear of snake discussion somewhere?
I thought this was an interesting video
I imagine the snake must be devenomized
but I also notice that it's not biting - just striking
family pet perhaps
I also wonder whether they devlop a sort of genetic tolerance in those snake charmer families
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wgvKg4zZs2Y
anji1971
10-17-2007, 10:15 AM
YIKES!!!! I sure hope he's been devenomized!!!!:eek::eek::eek:
However, it was interesting to see that as ticked off as the snake looked, the baby looked equally disgruntled everytime the snake struck at her!! It almost appears that this is a frequent pastime for the two of them- some people will let their kids play with anything!!
As for the genetic tolerance- i'm curious about that too, however, I wouldn't want to be the first in the family to experiment !!
anji1971
10-17-2007, 10:20 AM
Hi guys.:) Sorry I haven't been around much the past couple of days. I have a stinker of a cold...even my hair hurts! Hopefully I'll be feeling better by the weekend, and I can give you my undivided attention again.
Please don't be relunctant to pile on the sympathy...I need all I can get!:D
by the way, james, hope you're recovering nicely- it's definitely that time of year again!!!
and oh yes--LOTS of pity and sympathy from me!!!!;)
reptileparadise
10-17-2007, 10:33 AM
wow, look how long this thread is!
the snake had its mouth sown shut i believe
adamanteus
10-17-2007, 12:54 PM
the snake had its mouth sown shut i believe
How kind, how thoughful.:mad:
just for a movie on youtube? honestly
Lori P
10-17-2007, 02:05 PM
Are you serious??? I don't even want to know... I haven't looked yet and now sure won't. Ugh....
drache
10-17-2007, 05:16 PM
the snake had its mouth sown shut i believe
are you sure about that
I am so gullible
and I don't want to believe that anyone would do that to a snake
but I know people do all sorts of things I don't want to believe
in any case, I couldn't tell by looking at the clip
when he stroke at him his mouth was closed at all times
adamanteus
10-17-2007, 05:22 PM
It's pretty much guaranteed that the snake was tampered with. Cobras rarely 'dry strike' with a closed mouth, especially under that amount of pressure. Also, they are teaching that child not to fear/respect a dangerous creature which he/she is likely to encounter in day to day life. It's sick what people will do for the sake of the camera.
anji1971
10-17-2007, 05:57 PM
It never even occurred to me that someone might have done something to the cobra..........guess I'm gullible too.
That is SO rotten, i feel awful for the poor creature, he must be absolutely terrified!!:eek:
drache
10-20-2007, 07:39 AM
grrr
I am so anxious this morning
I'm so worried that something won't work out at that expo today
it's not likely that Ben didn't get a pm i sent him last night at 6:30, right?
what if he hasn't checked?
oh man - being anxious is exhausting
I need to go attend to the snakes I've got
Lori P
10-20-2007, 07:48 AM
Rhea, deep breaths, deep breaths, "Wooooo-saaaaaaaa"-- (remember Bad Boys 2? LOL) All will be fine!!!! It's going to be a great day, just wait. Can't wait to hear all about it later!!!!
:-) :-)
Stefan-A
10-20-2007, 08:07 AM
Not much available at the pet expo I visited today. A few dozen corns, a few Corallus hortulanus, ball pythons, one Pituophis melanoleucus sayi (the only interesting snake there imho) and one Mexican black kingsnake. No garters or water snakes and I was there a couple of minutes after they opened.
zooplan
10-21-2007, 02:38 AM
Thatīs not only typical for the place you live.
Gartersnakes are rare on local fairs in Germany too.
reptileparadise
10-21-2007, 02:59 AM
Are they really?
I thought the garter 'community' was quite big in Germany?
A well...We will change this! Haha
zooplan
10-21-2007, 04:10 AM
Most garters are sold via internet or on the big fairs like Hamm, Bamberg or Mannheim. Some German breeders also go to snake day in Houten as well.
Stefan-A
10-21-2007, 04:10 AM
Are they really?
I thought the garter 'community' was quite big in Germany?
A well...We will change this! Haha
Indeed. :D Soon they'll only be breeding corns as feeders for wandering garters all over Europe. ;)
zooplan
10-21-2007, 04:13 AM
...to choose food by color?
drache
10-21-2007, 04:39 AM
Mannheim?
wirklich? echt?
are you sure about that?
my last haunt in Germany before exile . . .
on another note
I have resigned myself to possibly not getting the marcianus
a bit bummed though
but I didn't hear from Sean last night, so I'm assuming it didn't work out
sniff sniff
of course there's this tiny shred of hope that he got back really late and is holding them for me
I know I can't call him before noon
anybody here know, when Ben gets up?
I guess I'm not as resigned as I thought
zooplan
10-21-2007, 04:48 AM
you can call him now...
itīs 12.45 in Bonn:D
drache
10-21-2007, 04:51 AM
you can call him now...
itīs 12.45 in Bonn:D
different Ben
this one's in the three hours earlier time zone
and he's lucky I don't have his phone number
Lori P
10-21-2007, 07:22 AM
I don't get it. Why are garter snakes not more popular?? These guys are SO fun, so adventurous, always out exploring and nosing about. I find myself spending waaaaay too much time watching them having their little snakey adventures in their tank. And all the bright colors they naturally carry... are we keeping these fun little snakes secret so we can quietly enjoy them and giggle at all that the rest of the snake keepers are missing???!!!
Stefan-A
10-21-2007, 07:45 AM
Garters are small, not very intimidating and they aren't foolproof. That's why.
Lori P
10-21-2007, 07:57 AM
Ahhhh... people want big tough looking snakes. Hey, I've seen Mordecai shoot me the evil eye a couple of times. Scared me... lol!!
What do you mean by foolproof?
Stefan-A
10-21-2007, 08:08 AM
For example, they have dietary requirements that they don't share with, say, 95% of the other snake species that people keep. Most snakes that we keep seem to be specialized in rodents. Not only do you need to give a garter fish, it needs to be the right kind of fish or the snake will die.
A picky corn or ball python might only eat gerbils, a picky garter will only eat worms cut into 1" pieces off a silver platter under a blanket with the lights turned off.
Lori P
10-21-2007, 08:30 AM
ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Got it!!!!!!!! But isn't that half the fun, learning each snake's particular tastes? It is for us, I suppose. Thank you Stefan!!!!! :-)
anji1971
10-21-2007, 08:30 AM
... a picky garter will only eat worms cut into 1" pieces off a silver platter under a blanket with the lights turned off.
So, Stefan, is that what's become of the snake you were having so much trouble getting to eat???:D:D:D:D
Stefan-A
10-21-2007, 08:32 AM
Might be worth a try, with 1" pieces of fish or mice instead of worms. :D Anyway, that girl will have to make a choice between starving and eating very soon.
anji1971
10-21-2007, 08:38 AM
Try fish, by candlelight, with flowers and romantic music..........is that not a good way to win a girl's heart? er....or stomach, in this case..........;)
zooplan
10-21-2007, 11:31 AM
Garters are small, not very intimidating and they aren't foolproof. That's why.
foolproof LOL
Small and cheap, thats their desteny.
Lots of them are sold in pet stores dying after a few weeks at the enclosure of a keeper without any knowledge.
When I have a table on a smaller faier, where most visitors are families I can often here:" Oh garters, I had some when I was a child!"
Today was nuts!!! An abandon building a block from, me caught flame!!!! Arson , no doubt. I got interview for the news!!!!woot:woot!
Stefan-A
10-22-2007, 02:47 AM
foolproof LOL
Small and cheap, thats their desteny.
Lots of them are sold in pet stores dying after a few weeks at the enclosure of a keeper without any knowledge.
When I have a table on a smaller faier, where most visitors are families I can often here:" Oh garters, I had some when I was a child!"
Yeah, I've heard that from a couple of people who have since switched to hot snakes and are doing pretty well. Like I love pointing out, few people keep garters long enough to learn anything about them, I suppose they are just practice snakes for fans of the "Trial & Error" method of learning.
I made a Finnish page about garters a while back and now people keep contacting me when something happens to their garters. :rolleyes: Boils, cysts, infections, accidents, cat bites.. Can't decide if I should remove my name from the site or add a few more disclaimers.
zooplan
10-22-2007, 03:22 AM
I wonīt be able to watch you in TV, Josh
I guess your whole city must be burning to see your interview on German channels;)
Hope youīre doing fine.
@ Stefan ...
add much more disclaimers...
Iīve added a pricelist to my site only to screen myself for those kind of questions.
anji1971
10-22-2007, 08:00 AM
Yeah, I've heard that from a couple of people who have since switched to hot snakes and are doing pretty well. Like I love pointing out, few people keep garters long enough to learn anything about them, I suppose they are just practice snakes for fans of the "Trial & Error" method of learning.
I made a Finnish page about garters a while back and now people keep contacting me when something happens to their garters. :rolleyes: Boils, cysts, infections, accidents, cat bites.. Can't decide if I should remove my name from the site or add a few more disclaimers.
I find it very sad when people get any kind of pet and just don't bother to find out how to take care of it. When my kids brought home the first snake, it was "trial and error" for me too, but I still took the time to find out the basics and used a little common sense to make sure the poor thing was getting the best care an amateur like me could give her. And it worked! I just don't understand why people seem to think that if an animal is a "cheaper" pet, it doesn't really matter what happens to it:(:(.
enigma200316
10-22-2007, 10:45 AM
I agree Anji, there a lot of people like that and I feel for there pets,but
atleast you can say your one of ones that are given the animals in the world chance..........:)
GarterGirl
10-22-2007, 03:27 PM
Hey guys! I'm back!
Sorry I haven't been on recently. I've been... busy.
CrazyHedgehog
10-22-2007, 03:42 PM
hi Mikhaila
GarterGirl
10-22-2007, 04:38 PM
Hey, whats up!
GarterGirl
10-22-2007, 05:17 PM
Dos anyone post on this thread anymore?
I wouldn't know cause I've been gone.
If no one reads this thread anymore, I have no idea
why I'm posting this. And, it would be a shame if no one posted here anymore
cause this is one of my fav threads.
enigma200316
10-22-2007, 06:09 PM
this is still an active thread, so post all you want...........:)
Lulu Bennett
10-22-2007, 06:15 PM
lol yeah and may i remind everyone that i am the one that brought it into existance(sp?) lol :D 1,400 odd posts lol yey
anji1971
10-22-2007, 08:08 PM
Yeah, when I read through it the first time there were about a hundred pages, and it took me half the day!!! I pity the poor new members who want to get through it now from page 1!!!:p:p
..........but I must thank you for starting it Lulu, it's been so much fun keeping this thing going!:)
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 05:53 AM
Phew! It would be such a shame if this wasn't an active thread anymore.
Thanks lulu for bringing it into existance!
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 06:14 AM
lol i am really glad i did or i wouldn't have got to know as many people
same here lol
i was sooo afraid to talk lol
but now you will never shut me up!!!!!
enigma200316
10-23-2007, 02:25 PM
I know tell me about it......:rolleyes::D:D just joking Josh.......:)
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 02:32 PM
lol justin, very well said :D
anji1971
10-23-2007, 02:58 PM
Can't just pick on poor Josh............we all like to yak like crazy on this thread!!:D
anji1971
10-23-2007, 02:59 PM
By the way, Hi, Lulu!!
Haven't been online at the same time as you in a while.....How's it goin'??:)
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 03:20 PM
lol goodpoint anji lol
i am very well and yourself?
anji1971
10-23-2007, 03:25 PM
Not bad at all!! Just enjoying a day off, the rest of this month may kill me though!!:)
adamanteus
10-23-2007, 03:28 PM
Only one day off, Anji? Why will the coming month kill you? From Friday, I'm off work for a week (nine days including the weekends), can't wait!
enigma200316
10-23-2007, 03:29 PM
speeak for yourself, I for one do not yak at all.........:rolleyes::D
anji1971
10-23-2007, 03:38 PM
Only one day off, Anji? Why will the coming month kill you? From Friday, I'm off work for a week (nine days including the weekends), can't wait!
Well, it's not my only day off, technically, but it's the only one I can spare to just sit on my butt and relax. For the rest of the month I have work, PTA meetings,and school events, 2 Hallowe'en costumes to make (yeah, I sew as well as clean and cook!);) And to top it off we are getting new bedroom furniture so I have to empty our bedroom, and my son's(he's getting our old stuff), get the leftover furniture out of the house, and I promised to paint my mom's room at her house before the middle of November. Oh, and I still have to get outside and clean out the flower beds and plant 100 or so tulip bulbs, and I'm STILL trying desperately to find a snake outside somewhere. OHHHHH i feel tired now just typing all this.........but thanx for asking James, who's getting nine days off..........I hate you now.........:D:D
anji1971
10-23-2007, 03:40 PM
Oh, almost forgot, I have 2 big social events coming up in the next couple weeks.........I'll be getting very drunk at both of them!!!:D:D
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 03:47 PM
Oh, almost forgot, I have 2 big social events coming up in the next couple weeks.........I'll be getting very drunk at both of them!!!:D:D
omg i feel tired just from reading that lol i sugest you get sooo drunk you forget your month calender and forget about it all come over to england and make me a halloween costume lol. sound like a plan?? :D
I know tell me about it......:rolleyes::D:D just joking Josh.......:)
lol it was ver sudden too lol. one day 30 post the next 312
lol justin, very well said :D
jeeze and lulu is soo quiet !!!!!! lol
Can't just pick on poor Josh............we all like to yak like crazy on this thread!!:D
Thank you anji
Ps dont ya love te multi quote thing?? lol
drache
10-23-2007, 04:33 PM
Oh man
I spent the day moving stuff around and ended up finding one of my escaped snakes - stuck to the back of a file cabinet and dessicated like a mummy
Jeeze rhea you seem to have very very bad luck!!!!!
anji1971
10-23-2007, 04:35 PM
omg i feel tired just from reading that lol i sugest you get sooo drunk you forget your month calender and forget about it all come over to england and make me a halloween costume lol. sound like a plan?? :D
Could be fun.........let's see, i think I can afford to get from here to........oh, 3 blocks away??!! Are you paying for this trip????:D:D:D
when i hit 1000 im gonna pick thamnophis collectus
drache
10-23-2007, 04:47 PM
Jeeze rhea you seem to have very very bad luck!!!!!
not really
I made some mistakes, because all that moving put me into a state of overwhelm and I just wasn't focused enough
in addition I got new caging with new and unfamiliar challenges
I did end up losing three snakes
only one of them I'd had long enough to have a relationship with
I think I've been very lucky, not to have lost more snakes
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 04:52 PM
When I get to 1000 (which is sooo far away from wher I am now), I'm gonna choose Thamophis Sirtalis Mikhaila
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 04:56 PM
jeeze and lulu is soo quiet !!!!!! lol
Josh i am very quiet lol it took me about 4 months to get to 1000 posts lol
actually i practically lived on here lol
(Love you really hunnie)
Oh man
I spent the day moving stuff around and ended up finding one of my escaped snakes - stuck to the back of a file cabinet and dessicated like a mummy
as bad as this may sound but do you fancy posting pickys of the mummified snake? :o
oh yeah sorry for your loss hunnie :(
Could be fun.........let's see, i think I can afford to get from here to........oh, 3 blocks away??!! Are you paying for this trip????:D:D:D
just give me a month or two to rob a bank then sure...oh shoot i need an outfit by saturday night :rolleyes:
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 05:01 PM
thoes multiquotes are quite cool. i havn't used that before lol
lol i was just plyin around
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 05:27 PM
as bad as this may sound but do you fancy posting pickys of the mummified snake? :oShe hasn't even shown me the mummified and I've asked like a million times! What makes you think she'll show you if she doesn't even show her own daughter?!?! (no offense)
mikhaila, how have you and school been?
i guess eliot is still grounded
Lori P
10-23-2007, 05:31 PM
She hasn't even shown me the mummified and I've asked like a million times! What makes you think she'll show you if she doesn't even show her own daughter?!?! (no offense)
Well, I guess we'll just all have to whine until she does, now won't we? Shall I start?
I WANNA SEEEEEEEEEEE!! I WANNA SEEEEEEEEEE!! Where's the mummified snake huh where is it can I see can I please please I SAID please can I huh can I see it????????
:D:D:D
Lori P
10-23-2007, 05:32 PM
You know what, actually, the truth is, I don't really want to see it. LOL So you all will have to whine on your own.
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 05:32 PM
mikhaila, how have you and school been?pretty good,
EXCEPT THAT MY TEACHER HATES ME!
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 05:33 PM
i guess eliot is still grounded
Why was he grounded?
Lori, no, and if you ask again there will be NO DESSERT!!!!!
pretty good,
EXCEPT THAT MY TEACHER HATES ME!
I feel ya my math teacher gave me detention 3 times!!!!
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 05:35 PM
lol mikhaila would you actually really want to see it?
James is in trouble!!!!!!!!
He went to bed without telling us!!!!!!
if you look back in this thread its mostly goodnights lol
Lori P
10-23-2007, 05:38 PM
pretty good,
EXCEPT THAT MY TEACHER HATES ME!
Do you really think so? maybe he or she is just harder on you because you are such a bright young girl!!!!!
Lori P
10-23-2007, 05:39 PM
Lori, no, and if you ask again there will be NO DESSERT!!!!!
(Sniveling) N-n-no desert??? B-b-but I loooooove desert!!! Ok, I'll be good, I promise, I swear!!!!!!!
(Now can I see it?)
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 05:41 PM
Do you really think so? maybe he or she is just harder on you because you are such a bright young girl!!!!!Nope! Not at all! She hates me because I'm sucha good student!:D(jUsT jOkIn)
I really have no idea why she hates me!
The new members gotta meet cazador!!!!
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 05:45 PM
hahahahaha
yea, ha ha. very funny.:rolleyes:
WHATS SO FUNNY???? *explodes*
Oopsies!
GarterGirl
10-23-2007, 05:46 PM
The new members gotta meet cazador!!!!
OMG, YES THEY DO!
WHERE IS HE???
I THOUGHT HE CAME BACK!!!
lol i actually was reffering to loris emmy winning performance lol
(Sniveling) N-n-no desert??? B-b-but I loooooove desert!!! Ok, I'll be good, I promise, I swear!!!!!!!
(Now can I see it?)
OMG, YES THEY DO!
WHERE IS HE???
I THOUGHT HE CAME BACK!!!
No he left again
ooooo yea oooo yea 1001 lol oooo yea beat that all you newbies lol jkjk
btw how do you like my avatar?
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/avatars/josh.gif?dateline=1191524529
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 06:06 PM
lol thats the first time i have tried reading that lol i like it
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 06:19 PM
sorry josh, i have like 30 unread messages lol and i am trying to catch up lol
enigma200316
10-23-2007, 06:50 PM
Talk is cheap........but what the hell hows everyone tonight?
enigma200316
10-23-2007, 06:59 PM
ok well since nobody is speaking, I'll talk to ya tomarrow, good night....:)
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 07:08 PM
sorry justin good night hunnie xxx
Lulu Bennett
10-23-2007, 07:14 PM
i am off to bed now. good night xxx
lyn s
10-23-2007, 09:09 PM
its 10 here
GarterGirl
10-24-2007, 04:29 AM
No he left againWhy?:( When will he com back? I wanna say hello. And the newbies should really meet him!
GarterGirl
10-24-2007, 04:32 AM
Sorry I didn't say goodnight last night. Drache said I had to go right to bed.
Lulu Bennett
10-25-2007, 08:23 AM
lol mikhaila i am sure we can forgive you lol i have done that loads of times (normally when i fall asleep on the keyboard lol)
drache
10-25-2007, 08:56 AM
oh
it's so boring at work right now
I wish I'd brought a snake
Lori P
10-25-2007, 08:59 AM
LOL The one animal my vets forbid me to bring to work with me is a snake. They're so silly. They should know that one day there inevitably WILL be a snake here in the office. :-)
drache
10-25-2007, 09:09 AM
I've never brought a snake to work, but if I did, I wouldn't ask
Lori P
10-25-2007, 09:22 AM
LOL, I didn't even get to ask... I mentioned something about one of the snakes one day and the older vet looked at me and went, "No! No snakes in the office!!" LOL So now I know exactly how to torment him if he ticks me off.... :-)
drache
10-25-2007, 09:40 AM
when I brought my snakes to my vet, often the other vet and many of the other people at the clinic would stop in to look
sniff, sniff
I still can't believe he's gone
Lori P
10-25-2007, 09:51 AM
Ooh, that's right, he left you. I forgot, we were supposed to all get together and drag him back!!! So is the vet practice (where he was) going to hire another exotic vet?? Or was it his practice??
drache
10-25-2007, 11:23 AM
Ooh, that's right, he left you. I forgot, we were supposed to all get together and drag him back!!! So is the vet practice (where he was) going to hire another exotic vet?? Or was it his practice??
I didn't ask
they're really hard to get to for me anyway
there is a herp vet in five minutes walking distance from me who is not as fantastic, but serviceable in an emergency
I'll probably meet him tomorrow
one of my new lystrophis has not eaten yet
this guy I think is really more of an avian vet, but it sounds like Sean can just ask him for what needs to be done
also, Sean still works with the vet, so if one of my snakes has something more complicated going on, I'm sure I can get Sean to show it to the vet
I just miss being there and learning stuff
enigma200316
10-25-2007, 12:33 PM
LOL, I didn't even get to ask... I mentioned something about one of the snakes one day and the older vet looked at me and went, "No! No snakes in the office!!" LOL So now I know exactly how to torment him if he ticks me off.... :-)
thats just mean Lori, to torment him, but I like it!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Lori P
10-25-2007, 12:59 PM
LOL... ooooooh my bosses deserve a little tormenting now and then. This same vet, Gary, was teasing me last week about being a redneck because I had "Sweet home Alabama" as my ring back tone on my cell. So I changed it to "Take this job and shove it" and the next time he called me he was rollllllllling!!!!!!!!!!
I love them both tho... they can dish it out and take it back. We have a ball.
ugh....such a bad week. For the past week i have been taking care of my gram. But yesterday she died of what we think of is anorism. i am devistated. I grew up with her and helped her take care of her mom before she died 6 motnsh ago. Jeeze and her husband, my grandpa died 7 months ago. I just cant take this whole year. ugh. She had just got her lung takin out and she was doing a lot better.
Lori P
10-25-2007, 06:50 PM
Oh Josh, I am so incredibly sorry for your losses. You have had such a terrible time. I can only imagine how hard this is for you, but also, I can only think of how grateful your gram was that you were there for her. You gave her a huge gift by being there.
I wish I had words to make you find peace with this faster, but I don't. So sending <<<<<big hugs>>>>> to you instead.
thanks lori.
Anyway how are the pugets?
Lori P
10-25-2007, 07:28 PM
They're doing great. The bigger one is getting ready to shed again. Still have that cute ribbon snake??
drache
10-26-2007, 04:04 AM
Josh
I am so sorry for all your losses
it hard enough when there's just one
you must be half numb to be coping at all
(((((HUG)))))
They're doing great. The bigger one is getting ready to shed again. Still have that cute ribbon snake??
lol never had a ribbon lol
Josh
I am so sorry for all your losses
it hard enough when there's just one
you must be half numb to be coping at all
(((((HUG)))))
thanks a whole lot rhea!!!!!!!!!
anji1971
10-26-2007, 06:52 AM
ugh....such a bad week. For the past week i have been taking care of my gram. But yesterday she died of what we think of is anorism. i am devistated. I grew up with her and helped her take care of her mom before she died 6 motnsh ago. Jeeze and her husband, my grandpa died 7 months ago. I just cant take this whole year. ugh. She had just got her lung takin out and she was doing a lot better.
Josh, SO sorry to hear about your losses.:( But definitely take comfort in the fact that you were there for your grandmother. I know she is looking down on you and smiling with love and appreciation!!!
Many Hugs..........
enigma200316
10-26-2007, 04:58 PM
ugh....such a bad week. For the past week i have been taking care of my gram. But yesterday she died of what we think of is anorism. i am devistated. I grew up with her and helped her take care of her mom before she died 6 motnsh ago. Jeeze and her husband, my grandpa died 7 months ago. I just cant take this whole year. ugh. She had just got her lung takin out and she was doing a lot better.
I'm sorry to hear of your loses, I know all to well how many loses in a row like that can hurt,but time will heal even though they will be missed, my thoughts and prayers are with you, take care...................
GarterGirl
10-26-2007, 06:21 PM
ugh....such a bad week. For the past week i have been taking care of my gram. But yesterday she died of what we think of is anorism. i am devistated. I grew up with her and helped her take care of her mom before she died 6 motnsh ago. Jeeze and her husband, my grandpa died 7 months ago. I just cant take this whole year. ugh. She had just got her lung takin out and she was doing a lot better.Oh, Josh! I'm so sorry for all your losses!:( I... kinda, sorta, not really, I dunno, I guess you could say that ...I know what it feels like. It was with cats. Well, I don't really know what it feels like to lose a "person" thats close to you. Only an animal. So, I guess that doesn't count. Sorta, kinda, I dunno, maybe, you could say that... It doesn't count!:( Sorry for all the talking. I can't help it! I'm a talkative person. *hugs* I hope you feel better soon.
Lulu Bennett
10-26-2007, 07:31 PM
josh sweety i am sending you my love, hugs and my strength, first class, in this time of need. i know how bad it feels at first. when i lost my grandad i was sooo gutted and even now thinking of him makes me sad (and i lost him about 8years ago) but it also makes me happy...it makes me happy because i remember all the fun and the good times we had when i was a child. i loved him very much and it makes me feel tons better knowing he is not suffering now and that he is in a better place and that he would be sooo proud of me.
I hope this helps hunni and just remember she would be so proud of you. xxx
Josh, SO sorry to hear about your losses.:( But definitely take comfort in the fact that you were there for your grandmother. I know she is looking down on you and smiling with love and appreciation!!!
Many Hugs..........
I'm sorry to hear of your loses, I know all to well how many loses in a row like that can hurt,but time will heal even though they will be missed, my thoughts and prayers are with you, take care...................
Oh, Josh! I'm so sorry for all your losses!:( I... kinda, sorta, not really, I dunno, I guess you could say that ...I know what it feels like. It was with cats. Well, I don't really know what it feels like to lose a "person" thats close to you. Only an animal. So, I guess that doesn't count. Sorta, kinda, I dunno, maybe, you could say that... It doesn't count!:( Sorry for all the talking. I can't help it! I'm a talkative person. *hugs* I hope you feel better soon.
josh sweety i am sending you my love, hugs and my strength, first class, in this time of need. i know how bad it feels at first. when i lost my grandad i was sooo gutted and even now thinking of him makes me sad (and i lost him about 8years ago) but it also makes me happy...it makes me happy because i remember all the fun and the good times we had when i was a child. i loved him very much and it makes me feel tons better knowing he is not suffering now and that he is in a better place and that he would be sooo proud of me.
I hope this helps hunni and just remember she would be so proud of you. xxx
THanks a lot guys
you all are awsome
zooplan
10-26-2007, 11:22 PM
Late but...
keep the head high, Josh:) (bear up)
donīt know if its conform to the copyright but this is from Robert Frost:
Stopping by woods on a snowy evening
whos woods these are, I think I know
his house is in the village though
he will not see mit stopping here
to watch his woods fill up with snow
my little horse mut think it quer
to stop without a farmhous near
between the woods and frozen lake
the darkest evening of the year
he gives his harness bells a shake
to ask if there is some mistake
the only other soundīs the sweep
of easy wind and downy flake
the woods are lowly dark and deep
but I have promisses to keep
and miles to go before I sleep
and miles to go before I sleep
just off my mind, I hope its all correct
In spite of the fact that English is not my mother language this gave a lot to me.
bear up, Josh, youīve got miles to go before you sleep
GarterGirl
10-27-2007, 04:21 AM
THanks a lot guys
you all are awsome
Your welcome!!!!!!:D:D:D:D
Late but...
keep the head high, Josh:) (bear up)
donīt know if its conform to the copyright but this is from Robert Frost:
Stopping by woods on a snowy evening
whos woods these are, I think I know
his house is in the village though
he will not see mit stopping here
to watch his woods fill up with snow
my little horse mut think it quer
to stop without a farmhous near
between the woods and frozen lake
the darkest evening of the year
he gives his harness bells a shake
to ask if there is some mistake
the only other soundīs the sweep
of easy wind and downy flake
the woods are lowly dark and deep
but I have promisses to keep
and miles to go before I sleep
and miles to go before I sleep
just off my mind, I hope its all correct
In spite of the fact that English is not my mother language this gave a lot to me.
bear up, Josh, youīve got miles to go before you sleep
WOW udo thanks much!!!! you english is veryy good!!!!
zooplan
10-27-2007, 08:36 AM
Thanks Josh, but:o
That is not my English!
This poem was written by Robert Frost
Thanks Josh, but:o
That is not my English!
This poem was written by Robert Frost
I know but it is stilll great!!!!!!!!!!
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
My dad just told his buddies on the pd that i have garters and he is coming over to check what i have!!!!!!!! I have eastern garters wich im not aloud to have what to do?
drache
10-27-2007, 09:09 AM
are they coming expressly to check whether you're legal, or is it just that they're interested?
enigma200316
10-27-2007, 09:29 AM
why are you not aloud to have them?? I thought in PA you were aloud 2
and thats it:confused:
zooplan
10-27-2007, 10:55 AM
tell them to be anything else;)
German dealers import garters unsorted
When you are there when they arrive, you may pick very intressting specimen right off the crowd
Each is sold as T.s.sirtalis!
So why donīt you try it vice versa?
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