Its oh so quiet Shh Shh

[Stefan-A]

♪And it burns, burns, burns, the ring of fire. The ring of fire♪
Believe it or not, I didn't feel a damn thing. The amounts of cayenne pepper I normally use burn a lot worse. I'm a little disappointed.

Still, this is a sauce they recommend you only add one drop at a time of, and I can understand why.

[ConcinusMan]

Many of you are probably familiar with this picture. This picture was taken, and these snakes were caught, where I am right now. Dupont, WA. Apparently the property where I am staying is loaded with them and earlier this winter on a 68 degree day, they were everywhere. Just waiting for nice weather!

http://www.californiaherps.com/noncal/northwest/nwsnakes/images/tspickerigibunchdp.jpg

[mikem]

absolutely beautiful! i hope they are out in abundance!

[ConcinusMan]

Well they were a month or so ago when the weather was unusually warm. I'm sure they will be again but right now it's too cold and cloudy and there's been so much rain, there's standing water in places and the ground is very squishy.

[mikem]

looks like cool weather and more rain is in your forecast.

[ConcinusMan]

Well, surprise surprise :rolleyes: Actually, the local TV station weather guys (which are better at forecasting than the national service) say there's a cold front coming. Our rain starting tonight just may turn to snow overnight and into tomorrow. So, it's not only wet, but freezin' miserable cold too.:mad:

[EasternGirl]

Went to a three and a half hour baseball scrimage today...I love baseball and watching my son play, but that was a long game! My son's team lost by one point. Oh well...he got some nice hits in. Then we went to a sports restaurant for dinner. The egg rolls are out in full force because it's St. Patty's Day. I am hoping that they got so drunk today they will be passed out by the time I go to bed tonight. They were all over town dressed up in costumes and totally smashed by 3pm. I was already yelling at them to get out of my yard at noon. Most of them aren't even Irish.

[guidofatherof5]

It's just another reason/excuse to drink.
It's got nothing to do with the Holiday.
Oh, hey look. It's national spam(food) day. July 6th in case you were wondering.:D

I'll stick with a nice cup of Tea, Earl Grey, hot.:D
R2IJdfxWtPM

[mikem]

I was already yelling at them to get out of my yard at noon. Most of them aren't even Irish.
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Well, surprise surprise :rolleyes: Actually, the local TV station weather guys (which are better at forecasting than the national service) say there's a cold front coming. Our rain starting tonight just may turn to snow overnight and into tomorrow. So, it's not only wet, but freezin' miserable cold too.:mad:
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[EasternGirl]

Hey...that pic looks just like me this morning before my coffee! You would think that this being a college campus...and one of the more well known partying colleges...they wouldn't need an excuse to drink....or to act like idiots, for that matter.

The weather in Delaware is weird...today at the baseball game I was dressed for summer and then the sun went down and it was freezing again.

[ConcinusMan]

Well it's getting pretty darn close to freezing already and the chance of precipitation only increases tonight and into tomorrow. Snow flakes in the forecast through monday. :mad:

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I don't know...maybe the person doesn't understand how to read threads yet or something. ???

No, that's not it at all. Same user has been posting nonsense responses to other threads. It's a spambot. I've seen this enough times to know.

[guidofatherof5]

Spambots don't send PM's.

[ConcinusMan]

Sure they do. "spambot" wasn't meant to imply that there wasn't a real person behind it. Only the suspected intention behind creating the account and the tendency to post responses that don't seem to make sense or have any relevance in an attempt to increase post count.


If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I apologize. It's just that all the signs are there.

"thanks for being our voice!" in one of your red radix threads Steve.... remember that?"

That's a classic spambot post. I see that being posted randomly in almost any forum/thread, by spambots.:cool: They've been doing that for years. Reptile forums .com was hit hard with that one some months ago.

[katach]

Crazy weather needs some medication.

[EasternGirl]

Okay...then explain to me what exactly a spambot is then because I am confused.

[EasternGirl]

Getting myself a little home project started. My parents are getting on in age and have let the house go a bit, and since it will be mine soon I have been trying to do what I can to fix it up the best that I can. I have decided to start working on tearing down the old fence in the backyard and my son is going to help. It's wooden...old and rotten in a lot of places...but still attached into the ground by strong beams in some spots...bought some work gloves today, got an ax...could really use a sledge hammer...maybe I can borrow one. I'm going to go out there today and start working.

[guidofatherof5]

Getting myself a little home project started. My parents are getting on in age and have let the house go a bit, and since it will be mine soon I have been trying to do what I can to fix it up the best that I can. I have decided to start working on tearing down the old fence in the backyard and my son is going to help. It's wooden...old and rotten in a lot of places...but still attached into the ground by strong beams in some spots...bought some work gloves today, got an ax...could really use a sledge hammer...maybe I can borrow one. I'm going to go out there today and start working.

Well here you go:D

N1tTN-b5KHg

[ConcinusMan]

Okay...then explain to me what exactly a spambot is then because I am confused.

Spambot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spambot)

The post "thank you for being our voice!" is script generated by spambots everywhere. While there are certain protections in place to stop forum spambots, they will often make several human generated posts in an attempt to gain legitimacy for the forum account. Once certain post count restrictions are lifted, then they will usually make an attempt to post spam. Either to the forum, or their signature, etc.

[ConcinusMan]

I can see why the pugets like this property where I am. Pacific chorus frogs are everywhere. They were quite noisy last night. Fell asleep last night to their "singing"

[kibakiba]

I love it when McCroack sings to my ladies. He's so cute. My boyfriend also likes hearing him when we're talking... He starts up really randomly, usually when we are talking.

[EasternGirl]

Unbelievable! My friend Liza, who weighs about 95lbs soaking wet, came over today...and together we got the entire fence down and the whole yard clean...we took out roots, a tree, got weeds up, pulled out vines, raked leaves...the little woman is a serious powerhouse. Two small women and two young children did all of that work my friends! Mission accomplished and then some.

[guidofatherof5]

Got an email(Facebook message) from "dieselbaby" she wanted me to pass along a hello to the forum.

Hey. I wanted to write and say hello. I havent been on the comp much cause the computer goes sooo slow. I do most of my internet stufff on my phone. I wanted to let you know that Furbie, Diamond and Silky are all doing great and theyre getting big. I dont know how big I havent messured them. But I want to soon. I wanted to also let you know that garters have started coming around here. I havent seen one yet but my dad saw a 18 inch one by his mailbox 2 days ago. I cant wait to go Herping soon. I have been kindof looking but not much yet. Well tell everyone I said hello please and let them know I havent forgotten about any of them. I miss everyone and i will try to get on there soon. Thanks. Hope to talk again soon. -Randi

[Selkielass]

Glad she's doing fine.
sounds like early 'spring' all over.

[EasternGirl]

Thanks for passing that along, Steve. Tell her I said hello and I'm glad things are going well.

[EasternGirl]

I think I may have a stalker and it's freaking me out. But I can't be sure...I don't have enough info yet. I could be paranoid...but I had a stalker before so I'm hypersensitive about these things...and this guy mentioned my son so I'm really freaked out. It could be a case of misunderstanding text on facebook or it could be something. I don't know.

[Mommy2many]

My froggies have been "singing" alot recently :)

[ConcinusMan]

There was about a dozen males right outside the window last night, all of them just goin' nuts with the calling. Couldn't even carry on a conversation in that vicinity. Couldn't hear each other talking through all the frog noise. Drives you batty after a while.
:rolleyes: It's funny, we're trying to talk and my friend said "shut up you slimy crickets!"

Freezing temperatures doesn't even seem to slow them down. After various forms of frozen precipitation throughout the day yesterday, things cleared up and froze solid. Frogs didn't seem to care.

[Mrs N1ntndo]

Got an email(Facebook message) from "dieselbaby" she wanted me to pass along a hello to the forum.

Hey. I wanted to write and say hello. I havent been on the comp much cause the computer goes sooo slow. I do most of my internet stufff on my phone. I wanted to let you know that Furbie, Diamond and Silky are all doing great and theyre getting big. I dont know how big I havent messured them. But I want to soon. I wanted to also let you know that garters have started coming around here. I havent seen one yet but my dad saw a 18 inch one by his mailbox 2 days ago. I cant wait to go Herping soon. I have been kindof looking but not much yet. Well tell everyone I said hello please and let them know I havent forgotten about any of them. I miss everyone and i will try to get on there soon. Thanks. Hope to talk again soon. -Randi

Hey Im here. Steve thank you for passing on my message but you had the wrong user name. Ive been gone for to to long then....lol thants ok Steve. The message got to the people I needed it to and I thank you. Am doing great just very very busy. I know I shouldnt have that stop me from this great site. Furbie, Diamond and Silky are all also doing wonderful. I will have to take some pics of them and post them in a cpl days. I promise you all that I will do my best at coming on more. The family is doing great and Haylee (my youngest daughter) turned 5 on the 6th and now she thinks she knows everything..lol well I will chat with you all later. That u again all.

[guidofatherof5]

Hey Im here. Steve thank you for passing on my message but you had the wrong user name. Ive been gone for to to long then....lol thants ok Steve. The message got to the people I needed it to and I thank you. Am doing great just very very busy. I know I shouldnt have that stop me from this great site. Furbie, Diamond and Silky are all also doing wonderful. I will have to take some pics of them and post them in a cpl days. I promise you all that I will do my best at coming on more. The family is doing great and Haylee (my youngest daughter) turned 5 on the 6th and now she thinks she knows everything..lol well I will chat with you all later. That u again all.

Sorry about that. Not sure what I was thinking.:o

[EasternGirl]

That explains my confusion...I was seeing posts from dieselbaby and thinking, huh? :D. Anyway...glad to have you back! Thanks for the update.

[kibakiba]

Today is my 4th anniversary with my boyfriend... Yay us! That is a whole 4 years of *never* meeting face to face.

[mikem]

ugh, i've had the worst luck over the last couple of weeks. i managed to catch a stomach bug that had me in the bathroom more than i'd like to admit. on top of that, i couldn't sit up without getting nauseous... bad combination. i never get sick. maybe i'm getting old and my immune system isn't what it used to be, lol. anywho, feeling better, but now my throat is getting sore :mad:

marnie, a stalker? i hope it's a misunderstanding! congrats on getting your backyard cleaned up :)

chantel, congrats! never meeting, huh? interesting relationship. i'm assuming a long distance, internet thing you guys have going?

[kibakiba]

I hope you get better soon, Mike! Ginger tea helps upset stomachs, or ginger ale if you can't handle the tea.


And yes, we met in a game. Hated each others guts at first! Of course, we're both young (ish) and can't get money to see each other... it's been in our plans to see each other on one of our birthdays... I'm almost done with therapy, my therapist is helping writing my resume and she's going to see if she can pay for my id... And then I have to do job training and some other stuff to make sure my mind is fit for working, since I have a problem with being around people.

[mikem]

thanks chantel! i've been drinking ginger ale and pepto-bismol. works great, haha!

what game did ya meet in? glad to hear therapy is helping you. i've never been to therapy, but i did have problems being around people and socializing. i still feel awkward and uncomfortable meeting new people. it does get easier with time and experience, though i still suck at it ;)

[kibakiba]

Second life. I regret playing that game, but I met him there, so it's not all bad.
I'm personable, I just have panic attacks and I'm socially awkward at times.

[guidofatherof5]

Second life. I regret playing that game, but I met him there, so it's not all bad.
I'm personable, I just have panic attacks and I'm socially awkward at times.

I'm awkward all the time.:D

[EasternGirl]

Maybe I need to start playing that game so I can meet someone. Mike, I am getting worried about you...first the chest thing, then the stomach thing, now your throat is sore...please, for me, go to the doctor and get checked out...Nurse Marnie says "Stat!".

[mikem]

i think i just ran into some bad luck for a bit. the sore throat is getting better. it's mild, probably allergies. but, if things take a turn for the worse, i'll go to the doctor. i actually had an appointment for this morning that i cancelled because i'm feeling better. :)

chantel, have you heard of ralph pootawn? :D i don't think i'd play second life even if i got paid to!

[kibakiba]

Heard of but never seen. I was never in areas he was said to "appear" ;) I was on there simply to spend time with online friends in "person"


I had a medical taxi driver today... He reminded me a lot of John. He was kind, a very nice gentleman and he joked a lot... And he looked like a Colombian George Clooney. Haha. I couldn't get him to make any jokes about women... I know john loves to do that. He told me he wasn't going to touch any woman jokes with a long stick, just so he wouldn't offend me, Haha. I was making jokes about women, but he'dlaugh and not continue it!... I'm not like most women, those jokes are funny to me, because it's so true!

[RedSidedSPR]

._.

[kibakiba]

You'd never get it, Jesse. Don't you argue with me! You and that little face.... UGH!!!




:D

[RedSidedSPR]

Indeed. ._.

[ScimitarX]

Second life. I regret playing that game, but I met him there, so it's not all bad.
I'm personable, I just have panic attacks and I'm socially awkward at times.


LOL, i met my boyfriend on second life too, or rather, my mum who became friends with him, then persuaded me to get on there and meet him. weve been together ever since. Cool stuff :D

[kibakiba]

The only difference with you, is you've probably met... Kyle and I haven't even gotten to hug each other or see each other at all.. ;) That's okay though, kyle has helped me grow up quite a bit.

[katach]

Happy anniversary Chantel!

[kibakiba]

Thanks, Kat ;)

He's being an insensitive *** right now, though. My nieces (adoptive) brother commited suicide last night, and Kyle has decided that her brother just didn't want to have a job anymore. He thinks it's funny.

[EasternGirl]

Okay...that's it...I'm going on Second Life. Mike, you take care of yourself! Take some vitamins! I'll be worrying about you now!

[EasternGirl]

Oh Mike..I forgot to tell you...G Force was on in my son's room when I put him to bed tonight...so I turned the t.v. around so that the guinea pigs could see it and I swear they started watching it! They got really quiet and laid down in their little hide tubes and started staring at the t.v.! Ha ha...

[kibakiba]

Just stay away from anything that has to do with sex on there, Marnie. There are some creepy peeps in there. I imagine the creepy people get progressively creepier in the sex places!

[mikem]

i'm fine, really! :p and that's too cute with your little pigs! ya know, some cable providers actually have channels dedicated for pets. it's all programming that is filmed just for a cat or dog to watch... crazy! they should look into expanding their audience to rodents as well. :)


Just stay away from anything that has to do with sex on there, Marnie. There are some creepy peeps in there. I imagine the creepy people get progressively creepier in the sex places!
that's all i've ever heard about second life... creepy avatar sex :eek:

[kibakiba]

It's not *all* that. I found plenty of places that were dedicated to virtual shopping, or crochet groups, other sort of groups for adults, with no "adult content"

[EasternGirl]

Mike..I've heard of that...shows with birds flying around for cats to watch and cats running around for dogs to watch. And you better be okay! Don't make Nurse Marnie drive to NC to check up on you!

Chantel? Do you still go on Second Life? Maybe you could go on there with me and walk around with me...yeah...I don't have any desire to have any weird cybersex thank you. Lol....

[mikem]

i appreciate the concern. if i become bedridden for whatever reason, i'll send you some gas money! :D

and speaking of games, if anyone would be interested in playing diablo 3 (releases may 15) or guild wars 2 (releases summer?) let me know.

[kibakiba]

I go on every once in a while, mostly to check up on friends who haven't come on MSN in a while. I could show you around. I will warn t hat unless you want to create your own items and sell them, you might have to put some money into it to buy anything ;)


I know kyle will get Diablo 3, he wants me to get it too... And it depends on if guild wars 2 is better balanced.

[EasternGirl]

Do I have to buy things? I will try to go on there tonight and create a character/avatar whatever you call it...if I'm not too tired. Then I'll catch up with you on skype and talk to you about it.

[kibakiba]

You don't, there are freebies and such but buying stuff does tend to make the game more fun. I can show you all that stuff. But, for tonight I'm going to play a game with Kyle. You can get job on there and everything. I worked for a radio station that played in a "club", it was fun but creeps go to those areas sometimes too.. haha.

[mikem]

i never really got into the first guild wars, but 2 is looking good. diablo 3 will consume what little free time i have left, can't wait!

[kibakiba]

Today I saw my gastrologist. I hadn't slept in 24 hours, because I knew going to bed at 1 am and waking up at 5 am would just make me an angry old cow. Needless to say, I was in a bad mood from not sleeping.. but I stayed friendly. I was told I had to take Sucralfate for the rest of my life to control my stomach problems, and that they would do nothing about my hernia.. That I was told flips my stomach and gets all the food, liquid, etc. stuck in my esophagus. That made me even more angry.
When it came time to get home, my ride was late. I got even more angry. When my driver got out, I quickly put on a "happy" face and got in. I could tell we were both having a bad day while we were talking, so I stayed friendly and smiled a lot. After we pulled up into my driveway my driver said thank you, and that I brightened his day. It was a pretty nice feeling! I seem to have that effect on a lot of people, every time I see my therapist, the receptionist loves to talk to me because I'm always cheery (seeming) even if it's been a bad day.

[guidofatherof5]

Good for you Chantel.

[kibakiba]

If it makes people go into a bettter mood, might a well... No one likes really grumpy people :p

[EasternGirl]

Yeah...good job, Chantel. It's especially difficult to be pleasant when you are in a bad mood. Nice going. The doctors think I have a hiatal hernia too...I know how uncomfortable it is.

[EasternGirl]

My ex just brought my son home from his house all sugared up and covered in mud and grass. This is why my son never goes to my ex's house. Is it too much to ask that he act like a responsible parent for a little while? ARGH.

[guidofatherof5]

Boys will be boys. :D

[chris-uk]

My ex just brought my son home from his house all sugared up and covered in mud and grass. This is why my son never goes to my ex's house. Is it too much to ask that he act like a responsible parent for a little while? ARGH.

As Steve said, "Boys will be boys". And it's a father's job to make sure his son knows how to get covered in mud and grass - I fully intend to do this whether we end up having boys or girls, if I just have a daughter I don't see why she shouldn't get to enjoy coming home covered in grass and mud and annoying her mother.
The sugar thing. That's something you only do when you're about to hand a child back into someone else's care (I may have done it once with my nieces... ;) ).

[mikem]

The sugar thing. That's something you only do when you're about to hand a child back into someone else's care (I may have done it once with my nieces... ;) ).
i'm guilty of this! whenever they come over it's all cookies and ice cream. then i release them back into their normal environment...muhahaha ;)

[EasternGirl]

Fine. Then I will start feeding him bags of sugar before his father picks him up. *evil grin*....Two can play at this game. :D

[mikem]

that's the spirit! :cool:

[kibakiba]

My mom fed my niece and nephew nothing but candy, chips and such for the 6 months they were here. They gained 30 pounds. It's not all that good to load a kid up on sugar. They did nothing but scream and hit you, pull your hair and no sort of punishment made them stop.

[EasternGirl]

This is the exact reason I do not want my ex giving my son a bunch of sugar. In all seriousness, my son has ADHD and is extremely sensitive to sugar and my ex knows that. Give him sugar and you might as well give him speed. Well, except in his case speed actually cures the ADHD...lol. You get my point!

[kibakiba]

Yeah, but even with speed and ADHD, it can be very... unhelpful depending on the dose. it took me a year of trying every dosage and brand of generic to find a slight fit.

[EasternGirl]

It's been tough for him...we are still trying to get his medication right after three years. Even on medication, he is very hyper at times...but he is a good kid and better than a lot of kids I see out there who don't even have ADHD! Of course, most of that I attribute to lack of parenting.

[RedSidedSPR]

Moving company is here.. we're moving from a 5 acre wooded house with lots of land, trees, privacy, wildlife all that good ****, to a dinky neighborhood. ._.

Yay.

[EasternGirl]

Sorry to hear that Jesse. I just bought a new t.v. for the living room and it broke already. And..one of my heat lamps blew and broke one of my new thermostats. Yipee. Like I have money flying out of my rear end when I bend over or something.

[kimbosaur]

I actually read or heard somewhere that they did a study and there isn't such a thing as a "sugar high." I'll see if I can find it.

[kimbosaur]

Seems like this is a pretty suitable article :D

Effects of Sugar on Aggressive and Inattentive Behavior in Children With Attention Deficit Disorder With Hyperactivity and Normal Children (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/88/5/960.short)

[mikem]

Sorry to hear that Jesse. I just bought a new t.v. for the living room and it broke already. And..one of my heat lamps blew and broke one of my new thermostats. Yipee. Like I have money flying out of my rear end when I bend over or something.

when it rains, it pours. my cat has had a bad ear infection. antibiotics and three trips to the vet in the last week and a half! and it's still not over. now that the swelling has gone down they found a polyp in his ear. they're going to use anesthesia and try to remove it. if that doesn't work then he has to have surgery. :(

[Stefan-A]

Seems like this is a pretty suitable article :D

Effects of Sugar on Aggressive and Inattentive Behavior in Children With Attention Deficit Disorder With Hyperactivity and Normal Children (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/88/5/960.short)

Effects of Diets High in Sucrose or Aspartame on The Behavior and Cognitive Performance of Children (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199402033300501)

Does Sucrose or Aspartame Cause Hyperactivity in Children? - Kanarek - 2009 - Nutrition Reviews - Wiley Online Library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1753-4887.1994.tb01415.x/abstract)

[katach]

My stepson has ADD. We've been trying fish oil. It seems to help.

[EasternGirl]

I have read a zillion articles that say that it has been proven that sugar does not make children hyperactive. I was a therapist and I worked with kids...I used to claim that crap myself. I didn't have a child then. Come to my house. Put my child in a room with nothing else to influence him. Heck...put him in a lab and eliminate all of the extraneous variables. Give him a candy bar. Wait ten minutes. Then tell me sugar does not affect his behavior. There are articles and then there is living proof. I would like the people who wrote the articles to have my son come to their house and eat some sugar and then they can reconsider their findings.

Fish oil huh? I would be willing to give that a try.

Mike...I am so sorry to hear about your cat. I hope he is okay. Keep us posted.

[Stefan-A]

There are articles and then there is living proof.
The articles have proper methodology and absence of eg. confirmation bias. What does "living proof" have?

[EasternGirl]

I live with a child that I watch ingest sugar and then get hyper over and over again....now, you can call that confirmation bias if you want...but I have had my child come home from other people's houses hyper not understanding why, only to find out that he ate or drank something with sugar in it. I have also been trained in research and I know that unless I see the population used for a particular study, and I also see a list of the extraneous variables that were eliminated from the study, I am not convinced that a study is valid and reliable. Granted, many studies have been conducted on this particular subject...which would lead one to believe that the findings are in fact valid...however, if you show me twenty articles saying that research has been done to prove the sky is actually orange and not blue, and I walk outside tomorrow and see a blue sky, I don't really give a rat's anus what research is telling me..no matter how valid it is. I know my child. No amount of research can tell me I am wrong about what I know to be true about what I have experienced with him.

[Chulio]

I see the Husbandry section. I am a widow and was looking for the Wifedry section

[guidofatherof5]

Oh, you're going to fit in very nicely here.:D

[ssssnakeluvr]

Lol!!!

[Stefan-A]

, if you show me twenty articles saying that research has been done to prove the sky is actually orange and not blue, and I walk outside tomorrow and see a blue sky, I don't really give a rat's anus what research is telling me..no matter how valid it is.
How can you justify that?


I know my child. No amount of research can tell me I am wrong about what I know to be true about what I have experienced with him.
Because it's entirely inconceivable that you don't know him (the finer details of his brain chemistry) as well as you think you do. Got it.

[EasternGirl]

Stefan, I don't actually have to justify anything. I believe what I believe. You can argue with me about this forever but I am still going to believe what I am going to believe. It is entirely conceivable that I don't know the finer details of his brain chemistry, but it is also entirely conceivable that the research that they are doing on sugar will be proven wrong in ten years. Heck, in ten years, they will probably tell us that sugar causes cancer. It's also entirely conceivable that given that I am educated and trained as a psychologist and a researcher that I do know a little something about research and the fact that just because something has supposedly been scientifically proven doesn't mean that it is in fact true...especially when you are talking about the brain and things that cannot actually be measured physically. You cannot give someone a blood test and definitively measure levels of hyperactivity...it is in that sense, a subjective measure of a construct. You can measure physiological response to sugar intake...but that is not actually the same thing as measuring hyperactivity since hyperactivity is a psychological disorder. Psychological disorders can not be physically measured...they can only be subjectively measured by the person measuring them. Therefore, while one researcher may view a child who has ingested sugar to appear hyperactive, another researcher may view that child to appear "normal". There is bias on the researchers part as well. It also depends on what they are viewing as hyperactive. Like I said before, I would have to look at all aspects of a study before I deemed it valid and reliable. But again, if I think my child has a sensitivity to sugar, no study is going to make me believe otherwise. Now, I am willing to believe that my son could be sensitive to sugar for reasons other than sugar making children hyper...but, I am not willing to believe that it does not affect him if I see that it does. I also believe we are probably boring other members with this conversation at this point. ;)

[Stefan-A]

Stefan, I don't actually have to justify anything.
You should still be able to justify it, even if there's no obligation.


You can argue with me about this forever but I am still going to believe what I am going to believe.
I have a problem with that mentality. Doesn't it matter to you whether what believe is actually true? It's not a matter of opinion, so "it's true for me" doesn't apply here.


it is also entirely conceivable that the research that they are doing on sugar will be proven wrong in ten years.
It's improbable and when the best available evidence points to sugar not causing hyperactivity, why stick with an idea that's basically unsupported and hoping that it will one day be shown to be true?


just because something has supposedly been scientifically proven doesn't mean that it is in fact true...
It's still far more likely to be true, than a wild guess based on a sample size of 1, where the researcher is biased and there is no methodology implemented at all.


especially when you are talking about the brain and things that cannot actually be measured physically. You cannot give someone a blood test and definitively measure levels of hyperactivity...it is in that sense, a subjective measure of a construct. You can measure physiological response to sugar intake...but that is not actually the same thing as measuring hyperactivity since hyperactivity is a psychological disorder. Psychological disorders can not be physically measured...they can only be subjectively measured by the person measuring them.
Even if it is to some extent subjective, they do follow test procedures and produce replicable, predictable results. And as far as I can tell, several methods have been developed that do allow you to measure hyperactivity physically.


Therefore, while one researcher may view a child who has ingested sugar to appear hyperactive, another researcher may view that child to appear "normal".
Using what set of test procedures? The ADHD diagnosis wasn't been made purely subjectively, either.


There is bias on the researchers part as well. It also depends on what they are viewing as hyperactive.
Not really, that's what the procedures and controls are for, respectively.


But again, if I think my child has a sensitivity to sugar, no study is going to make me believe otherwise.
Noted, but definitely not respected.


I also believe we are probably boring other members with this conversation at this point. ;)
Probably, but the right way to end the conversation wouldn't be with closing statements, this issue should either resolved or the conversation terminated. Personally, I'd rather see it resolved, but if you want me to just drop it, just say the words. I'm not saying any of this in the capacity of a moderator.

[kimbosaur]

I think a lot of it is also that sugary junk foods often contain other things that your son could be reacting to. Like, caffeine in coke, and chocolate.

For instance, I'm pretty sure most parents would say that kids would "react" to drinking a can of Coca-Cola. At the same time, they'd probably be a lot less hesitant to give their kids the same amount of Minute Maid 100% Orange Juice. But when you look at the Nutrition Facts, they contain almost the same amount of sugar!

[EasternGirl]

I don't let my son have caffeine. Well, correction...I do not let him have caffeinated drinks...I do let him have chocolate. But I am talking about times when he eats sugary things without caffeine in them. Well, what exactly would resolve this issue for you Stefan? It sounds to me like the only way it is going to be resolved is for me to say that I believe that all of the studies are valid and reliable and that I am wrong about my son and that he is not reacting to sugar. I'm simply not going to say that because that is not what I believe. That is why I am saying that we can continue to argue about this but I am going to continue to believe that my son is affected by sugar...you may not respect that, but it is what I think. Now, I respect what you believe. But I am not going to say that I think you are correct...if that is what you want...because I do not think you are correct in this instance. Normally, I do agree with you with what you are saying about scientific evidence. I understand scientific methodology and I support empirical findings. I just don't think that these findings are holding true to what I have witnessed with my child concerning sugar. My justification of my reasoning lies in the fact that I simply have found no other explanation for my son becoming hyper other than the ingestion of sugar...I have done my own little "studies", so to speak...I have spent considerable time researching this, watching him, watching what he ingests, what he doesn't ingest. Do you think I haven't questioned that I could be wrong about this...when I myself previously held the belief that sugar did not affect children's behavior? Of course I have. But time and time again, I, and other members of my family, have seen my son become hyper after ingesting too much sugar. Therefore, I believe it affects his behavior.

[EasternGirl]

One last thing I want to say...I don't think we are going to be able to resolve our differences on this subject. I think we are going to have to just agree to disagree, respect the other person's view on the topic and end the conversation. Otherwise, we could continue to go on like this indefinitely. I am sure other members have other things they want to discuss and are probably getting tired of listening to this. Like I said, I stand by what I believe, and you can respect that or not. I respect what you believe. But, I am done discussing this now for the sake of the other members of the forum.

[kibakiba]

Well, I was asleep during all this.. But, I'm sensitive to sugar and I get jittery and obnoxious when I do have sugar, in non caffinated things.

[Stefan-A]

My justification of my reasoning lies in the fact that I simply have found no other explanation for my son becoming hyper other than the ingestion of sugar...
But it's not an explanation. Sugar needs to have that effect for it to be an explanation and there doesn't seem to be any evidence for it.


One last thing I want to say...I don't think we are going to be able to resolve our differences on this subject. I think we are going to have to just agree to disagree, respect the other person's view on the topic and end the conversation. Otherwise, we could continue to go on like this indefinitely. I am sure other members have other things they want to discuss and are probably getting tired of listening to this. Like I said, I stand by what I believe, and you can respect that or not. I respect what you believe. But, I am done discussing this now for the sake of the other members of the forum.
So be it.

[EasternGirl]

I have to go get certified for CPR for my nursing clinicals tonight. My clinicals start next January and it will be much like residency for a doc...I will never be around anymore...I will be working in the hospital from like 6am-3pm and going to class...my snakes will forget who I am...you guys will forget who I am...my son will go find a new mom...lol. Then, finally, when I am about 50...I will be an RN. :D I have a really bad headache and really do not feel like blowing in plastic dummies for three hours tonight...not that I ever feel like blowing in plastic dummies...if I did, I would tell you to be concerned about me.

[kibakiba]

Everyone would remember you. You're a memorable person! ;)

[kimbosaur]

I did my CPR certification twice and don't remember jack. Reliable huh? :D

I have a paper due in 14 hours and I haven't actually started writing it. I've adopted the work for 10 minutes and take a 30 minute break approach. Good times.

[EasternGirl]

The class was a cinch...it started at 6pm and was supposed to run til 9pm...we were out by 8pm. We would have been out by 7:30 but there is always that one person in the class that insists on asking a bunch of questions...and no, it wasn't me...lol.

[EasternGirl]

You guys should see all of the stuff I have been going through the past week to get into my nursing clinicals. I have been getting drug tests, physicals, blood tests, background checks, vaccines...I have to be fingerprinted next week by the FBI. I figure if I don't make it through this final review to get into my clinicals...I'll just join the FBI or run for president.

[kibakiba]

Might as well!

[mikem]

marnie for president! i'd vote for ya :D sounds like a headache. hang in there!

[EasternGirl]

Well thanks...I figure I'd get some votes from my forum friends. :) The process is almost over...a tetanus shot and a hep B vaccine tomorrow, fingerprinting on April 5th and I am done. Then they do the final review to decide if I can go into clinicals next year. Then, if I can go into clinicals...it's two years of that before I'm an RN. I already did two years of coursework. Nursing school is no joke.

[mikem]

serious business. it'll pay off in the end.

[guidofatherof5]

Baby eagles are being born.
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[katach]

Just an update on the ADHD thing. Brian had his school conference on Monday and the teacher said she has noticed a positive difference in his behavior and focus since he started the fish oil. He is getting 3 As and 1 B. He is in 4th grade and reading at a 6.5 grade level. We are very proud of him. He had made such a drastic improvement since he started living with us. I guess we are doing something right.

[guidofatherof5]

Way to go Brian. Keep up the good work. Grades are very important.

[kibakiba]

I wish someone had told me that when I was a kid. My mom allowed me to fail everything, saying that I'll end up like my (no-so much) dad (who was making over 100k a year). Nope! I ended up mentally unable to function. Haha.

[EasternGirl]

I think you function fine, Chantel. And Kat...way to go with the parenting! I'm going to have to get some fish oil for Julian.

[kibakiba]

You haven't met me in person! Besides, I act calm on the outside and have some serious problems going on on the inside.. no one knows of my true insanity! Except for maybe that I truly believe the zombie apocalypse will happen.

[EasternGirl]

Yes..but at least you will be prepared. The rest of us will just get eaten by zombies. Well...maybe those of us that watch The Walking Dead might stand a chance...lol.

Listen...my surgery is coming up in less than 2 weeks. I'm sure I will be fine...but just in case I have to stay in the hospital longer than expected or something...I am going to write up a snake care sheet with feeding instructions that my mother can take over to my son's old school...there are a lot of cool people over there that are not afraid of snakes and that have owned snakes before...and I am going to leave instructions on it for going into my computer and signing into the forum under my username should a snake emergency or problems with feeding arise. My surgery is on April 11th. So...if someone should come onto the forum after the 11th and say that they are a friend of mine and they need help...you guys will know what is going on.

[kibakiba]

I have every single plan of how to avoid contact with zombie, knives in convinent places in case of an attack, where I can't get away... I know where a lot of gun stores are, and I know the route to take to get where I want to be! Haha.

[kibakiba]

Kyle sent me this:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8403/evolutionofmenwomen2.jpg
So I made him this....
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/84/evolutionofmenwomen.jpg
ZOMPIGGEH!
I was implying that all men will turn into zombie pigs, while the ladies evolved from cows and will stay alive, and stay beautiful. :D

[EasternGirl]

Well...if there is a zombie apocalypse...I'm packing things up and coming to your house! ;)

[kibakiba]

Well, I'll be hoofing it to canada... Maybe. It depends on if Kyle and I are still together.

[EasternGirl]

I have had it up to my ears with incompetent people. I got to my doctors office yesterday for my shots...and after I had left my health forms with them two weeks ago and told them numerous times that I absolutely had to pick them up yesterday so that I could take them to school today to turn them in...or I could be disqualified from the clinical component of my nursing program...I arrived at the office to find out that the forms had not been filled out. It was 4pm and the doctor had left for the day. I was livid. I was fit to be tied. Then they told me they couldn't fill out the forms unless I had a physical. I was about to strangle someone. Luckily, a nurse and a physician's assistant who understand how difficult it is to get into the nursing program I am in decided to help me out and the physician's assistant gave me a quick physical and filled out the forms for me. Now...with my arms aching all the way down to my hands from the shots I had to get in both arms...I have to drive out to my school and turn these forms in...sign some papers and pay to get my fingerprints done next week. It's almost over...well, until clinicals start anyway.

[mikem]

luckily the nurse and phys assistant was there for ya! now, at least that hurdle is behind you. keep pushing forward! :)

[kibakiba]

I dropped a bowl of boiling caramel on my foot last night.. Luckily I didn't get burned but for a while I was worried I had broken my toe... It was bent weird and the whole thing was purple, and then it quickly went back to flesh colour and now I have a blister right under my nail. Argghhhhhhhhh it hurts so bad that I cant sleep.

[EasternGirl]

Ouch sorry to hear that. Hope it feels better soon.

[kibakiba]

I do too... I don't want to have to poke it with a needle like I've been told to. Ugh. I might have to if I cant sleep within a couple hours... I have benzocaine slathered over it to keep the pain from throbbing too much.

[mikem]

your toenail may come off. i dropped a plate on my big toe years ago and the nail eventually fell off.

[kibakiba]

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. I will freak out and probably have a nervous breakdown if it happens. I really can not get myself to drain it like I've been told by my doctor. I cant poke it, I can't even bend it or touch anywhere near it. What does she expect me to do, cut off the circulation and jab a hot needle into it while I have a stick between my teeth?

[EasternGirl]

With a blood blister...if you drain the blood out it actually feels better after you do it..it reduces the pressure which reduces the pain. You don't have to jab it...just a tiny prick ought to do it...if you can stand it. If your toenail falls off, it will grow back...I lost one a couple of years ago.

[kibakiba]

It'd take a long time to grow back I'm sure. I can't stand the feeling. Besides, my nail is so thick that the needle won't go in, so it's causing me a ton of pain in the first place. Even with a string around my toe while I do it, it's extremely painful. It's also stuck being bent which also makes it difficult. My foot is playing the "best" april fool's joke ever on me. The kind of joke that someone thinks is funny when they do it to you, but it's not actually funny... Only hurtful and irritating. I hate feet.

[EasternGirl]

Are you icing it? Keep ice on it if you can...that will help.

[kibakiba]

She told me ice would make it fall off faster, heat only. You can never trust this lady, though... Even the assistant and intern nurses are more helpful than she is.

[EasternGirl]

I have no idea honestly about whether or not ice will make it fall off faster...I only know that ice reduces swelling and that heat would increase swelling and make the blood fill up more from what I know about the body. I would think it would make it hurt more. Ask Nate...maybe he would know...Aquamentus11...he's in med school.

[kibakiba]

I'm icing it and using benzocain while scraping away at my nail so I can drain it. Like I said, I hate feet.

[EasternGirl]

Poor thing...good...cause I checked with my mom and she agreed with me...heat makes swelling worse and makes blood pool faster...I think your doc got her degree from a mail order school in the back of a magazine. :eek:

[kibakiba]

I bet she did... It took her 3 years to allow me to see a gastro doctor. She's a legit idiot. I still haven't been able to poke it... Haha.

[Didymus20X6]

"86.3% of all statistics on the internet are made up on the spot." - Abraham Lincoln.

[kibakiba]

That quote is old as the internet :rolleyes:

[Stefan-A]

"86.3% of all statistics on the internet are made up on the spot." - Abraham Lincoln.
If you ever get caught doing it, just assert that it was "not intended to be a factual statement".

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[EasternGirl]

What exactly are we talking about?

[mikem]

gasoline. hitting $4 a gallon in a few places here already. gonna be an expensive summer, i fear. :(

[guidofatherof5]

Locally in Iowa-$3.55 a gallon.

[Stefan-A]

€1.684/l.

[kibakiba]

0.00 a gallon. Because we have no car. :) It's going to be hell walking to the store with my toe.

[kibakiba]

I was too late with my toe I think. When I did end up poking it (owwww!) no blood came out. And, it's very loose. I hate you Mr. Toe. You're an evil, evil manwoman!

[tress29]

Locally in Iowa-$3.55 a gallon.
Paid $4.14 for regular in Indianapolis. That was Sunday, some places have come down a little since then...

[Didymus20X6]

I just caught the hugest nightcrawler! I swear, the sucker was at least as big as Scarlett. I was considering chopping it up and feeding it to the snakes, but instead just gave it to Little Dude.

[EasternGirl]

They get pretty big in my backyard in the summer...I always say they are the size of baby garters! One time I had one so big my mother kept saying.."Are you sure that isn't a snake?"...."Yes, mother, I know the difference between a snake and a worm". :rolleyes: This is also the reason I will not let Cee Cee anywhere near Hermes or Possum...she would no doubt think they were delicious treats!

[ConcinusMan]

I'm icing it and using benzocain while scraping away at my nail so I can drain it. Like I said, I hate feet.

"The hideousness of that foot will haunt my dreams"

http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2002_Mr._Deeds/002MRD_John_Turturro_004.jpg

"What can I say... I like feet". :p

[ConcinusMan]

I just caught the hugest nightcrawler! I swear, the sucker was at least as big as Scarlett. I was considering chopping it up and feeding it to the snakes, but instead just gave it to Little Dude.

Many dozens of foot long (literally 12 - 13 inches) ones all over the ground here in Dupont, WA even during the day. They must surface to avoid drowning. Except for yesterday, it's been raining for at least three solid weeks (when it isn't snowing) and there's no end to the rain coming anytime soon. Good for worms and frogs, bad for finding snakes. The back yard is a swamp, literally. Thousands of chorus frogs and northwestern salamanders are breeding in several inches of standing water right outside the back door. The only good thing about it is that I have a fridge stocked with plenty of worms, and a freezer full of frogs. Also, I caught a 22 pound Chinook salmon a couple of days ago (on the last day of the season for that river) with nothing but a yarn jig and 6 pound test line. The rivers are just choked with salmon right now. Plenty of snake food, just no snakes.:mad:

[Stefan-A]

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7346-mice-recall-phone-call.html

Ignore this post. Just testing something.

[kibakiba]

My feet are hideous, I wear socks and I don't take them off unless I'm switching pairs or showering. I'd love to have my feet be all pretty like most girls, but I'm not the skinny model like girls.. I'm built for being a tomboy kind of girl... Haha.


I have 4 weeks left of therapy. It's really hard knowing that I won't see my therapist anymore after that and I'll either have to suck everything up, or risk paying a ton of money to someone who doesn't genuinely care. Luckily, though, she is making sure I have a ton of resources before I leave. She helped me get my resume done and she's paying for my ID, she helped me pick out some places I'm interested in working, etc. Yay for an awesome lady. I also have to do one more psychiatrist appt... But after that I hope that I can just ignore my issues and be an awesome person. Because I'm awesome in every other way. Everyone is jealous of my awesome.

[EasternGirl]

"The hideousness of that foot will haunt my dreams"

http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2002_Mr._Deeds/002MRD_John_Turturro_004.jpg

"What can I say... I like feet". :p Richard...we don't really want to hear about your foot fetish right now. :D

[Light of Dae]

Thousands of chorus frogs and northwestern salamanders are breeding in several inches of standing water right outside the back door.

Ship them frogs n salamanders over here! I'll take them!

[kibakiba]

No. Chorus frogs and sallies are mine! I love them! And I have my 3 little chorus frogs, but I'd have 20 if I could feed them all! I go through 50 dollars of crickets every month, literally, just for my little froggums. Of course, pinheads like to munch on each other if you don't give them enough fruit and powdered food.

[Light of Dae]

Ok so if there are
Thousands of them that means You get 1000 and I'll take the other 1000 and that should leave 1000 still there in Richards backyard breeding n happy for when the snakes come out :D

I saw Poison Dart frogs for sale the other day... OMG are they ever cute and beautiful and awesome and oh I wanted all of them!! They were all so bright, there were blue ones, red ones, yellow ones and orange ones! And I have an empty tank I have all sorts of stuff I could use for them. I even have Eco Earth substrate and mesh and clean gravel to layer properly to make a waterfall / splash / rain system with!!! Just would need the pump... However..... They were asking 100 bucks a frog.
...
......
I should have looked at the price before peering into the tank and making plans on this setup that is now implanted in my head and I still want to make it and everything... BUT NOOOOOO THEY HAD TO BE ASKING 100BUCKS FOR A FROG THAT COULD SIT ON A QUARTER COMFORTABLY!!!!!!!!
...
Stupid prices...
Stupid money I ain't got to spare....


So Again, I'll take at least a couple hundred Chorus Frogs and a clean hundred Northwestern Salamanders please and thank you.

Sincerely,
Scratching my pockets bottom.

[kimbosaur]

My feet are hideous, I wear socks and I don't take them off unless I'm switching pairs or showering. I'd love to have my feet be all pretty like most girls, but I'm not the skinny model like girls.. I'm built for being a tomboy kind of girl... Haha.


Me too! I have duck feet...it's so hard to find heels and flats that fit properly!

[EasternGirl]

I used to have this thing for poison dart frogs when I was little...I loved looking at pics of them and when I was older I got some rubber ones at the gift shop at the zoo and they sat on the dashboard of my car for years when I was a teenager. They are so pretty. I had no idea they were so expensive! I wouldn't mind having some too...but not for that price! What is a chorus frog? Post a pic.

[kibakiba]

Mine are just pudgy, and a couple have bones that were fused together when I was a kid, they are also sausagey. And wide. And big... Haha.

[Light of Dae]

No. Chorus frogs and sallies are mine! I love them! And I have my 3 little chorus frogs, but I'd have 20 if I could feed them all! I go through 50 dollars of crickets every month, literally, just for my little froggums. Of course, pinheads like to munch on each other if you don't give them enough fruit and powdered food.

LOL What I really meant to write in reply to this... before I got side tracked with frogs...

What I do for my Crickets is I have a 'Critter Keeper' that has just a little Eco Earth in the bottom, then have LOTS of egg cartons and toilet paper rolls with holes half cut in them, then fold the half cut circle inside... I'll post a picture in a minute to better portray what I mean. I can keep 50 crickets alive with out too many eating each other if they have lots of 'floor' space. (Really they are quite crammed in there but SHH don't tell them that)

Oh and I just feed finely crushed dog food, carrot peelings, lettuce bits. I use water gel for them or I mist the paper towel tube and the sides of the tank. It is kinda cute seeing them drink the water drops off the side.



... Wow I am long winded today ain't I?

[kibakiba]

That's okay, long winded posts are fun to read, when my dyslexia isn't making me see weird words.

I wanted to get a 5 gallon tank and make a fine mesh top, to breed them but they are evil. I haven't found any where I get my yarn... they usually have at least 3 5-20 gallon tanks for 10 ish dollars. I give them protein and calcium food, and fruit bits when I eat it. I also use water gel.

[Light of Dae]

Ha, I am very lysdexia, dyslexia, as well! You would probably be able to read what I write without spell check. :P But, my mind also runs faster then my fingers can keep up so I end up combining words like a sectance << non edited my fingers got the first bit of a word and the last bit, I guess my figers don't like thiddle <<< un edited as well The + Middle = Thiddle. hmm new language .. Ithink so. Ha ... I'm lost. Good night yall.

[ConcinusMan]

Richard...we don't really want to hear about your foot fetish right now. :D

There are quotation marks there ya know. ;)

But that's one of my favorite moments from that movie. "What can I say... I like feet" LoL. Hilarious. :p

[ConcinusMan]

Ship them frogs n salamanders over here! I'll take them!

How would you like them? Boiled, fried, or frozen? Actually, the only hope of them arriving fresh, even if shipped overnight, is if they are shipped live in a blown up bag like crickets come in. If you don't freeze them alive, and keep them frozen until ready to serve, they rot and turn to goo in a matter of hours.


No. Chorus frogs and sallies are mine! I love them! And I have my 3 little chorus frogs, but I'd have 20 if I could feed them all! I go through 50 dollars of crickets every month, literally, just for my little froggums. Of course, pinheads like to munch on each other if you don't give them enough fruit and powdered food.

Yes, crickets have enormous appetites. That even goes for adult crickets. If they run out of food for just a few hours, they go all "Donner party" on each other but they don't bother to wait for the other crickets to die, they start munching on the crickets that are in the process of shedding and helpless. I always count crickets when I feed them to my herps, and count how many get eaten. Any left behind can do some serious damage as they munch on your lizard or amphibian. Jaws of steel.

Got a joke for you: "Two dyslexics walk into a bra..."

You see, it's all good. Even "normal" people know how it should read. My 8yr old niece read that line out loud but she said "dylexis" and "bar". Close enough. :cool:



Me too! I have duck feet...it's so hard to find heels and flats that fit properly!

Ditto. Narrow heel, too wide from there forward. Just like a duck. Must be from all those years of stomping around this god forsaken never ending 9 month rain storm that is the Pacific Northwest. Buying shoes is a PITA, or foot, however you want to look at it.

[kibakiba]

Richard... I am very offended by sith ydlsexia joke. How dare you. :D I also have read that joke many times... And most of the time I see the "bra" part as "bar" or "rab".
I'm good at anagrams, since most of the time I see things jumbled anyways, so I have learned to read things the way they're supposed to be. If I know the letter that is first, everything else just gets read as the non jumbled word.

I just use tweezers with my crickets. I occasionally shove the tweezers through them on accident, but I just stick it in front of the frogs and they grab it butt first and rip the heads off with their little fingers.

[ConcinusMan]

Mmmmm.... now I'm hungry.

[kibakiba]

Two large orders of fried cricket guts for the creepy guy with lots of concinnus knowledge!

[ConcinusMan]

I'll take them slightly rancid and in the dark. Just slide them under the door while I make gurgling, growling sounds.

[ConcinusMan]

I'm pretty sure that the drenching rain and low temperatures (40's) day in and day out is keeping the snakes off of facebook. It's so wet that they would get electrocuted if they plugged in their little laptops. Not to worry, I'm sure they'll be out by sometime in July. Meanwhile back home in CA, it's sunny of course, and upper 70's. :mad:

OK now, this is just soooo frustrating!!! I've waited a month in the right location, to find puget sound garters but it's done nothing but rain the entire month. OK, so now I'm in Vancouver, WA (not the right location for pugets) until the 9th. Wouldn't you know it, the weather is going to be perfect for herping on SAT only, before the rain returns on sunday and monday. I won't be back at the Puget Sound until Monday. Son of a... grrrrr..:mad:

People here say "but that's why it's so green and beautiful" Well...I hate green! So what? it isn't worth it! Gimmie sunshine and drab brown.

I'm just so sick of rain I could scream. In fact, this is the wettest March on record since 1957 for SW WA. Chose a heck of a time to come back didn't I? If I wasn't holding out for good weather to get pugets, I would haul my self back to CA tonight. I've had enough!

*rant off* Thanks for "listening"

[kibakiba]

Guys, I'm going to be ordering some yarn soon and I need help picking the colours. I can only get a couple (it's somewhat expensive). I'm going to be making a hat, a belly dance bra and likely a jacket, using the yarn I'm about to show as a design on it. The base colour will likely be black or tan.
Scroll down on this page to find the colours:
Chroma Worsted Yarn Knitting Yarn from KnitPicks.com (http://www.knitpicks.com/yarns/Chroma_Worsted_Yarn__D5420204.html)
And here's another kind too:
Stroll Hand Painted Sock Yarn Knitting Yarn from KnitPicks.com - Fingering weight superwash merino & nylon hand dyed knitting yarn (http://www.knitpicks.com/yarns/Stroll_Hand_Painted_Sock_Yarn__D5420193.html)

[ConcinusMan]

Are you going to be modeling the bra when it's finished? *evil grin* If that's the case, go with hot pink. Hot pink goes well with fair skin.:D

[kibakiba]

No, I won't be modeling it. I'm not pretty enough. It's just going to be one of those things I wear when I dance on my own. Hot pink and black do go pretty good together, though.

[EasternGirl]

Stop saying you aren't pretty...you are very pretty Chantel. You could model bras anyday.

I had exactly four hours of sleep last night. Insomnia got the best of me and I was up in the middle of the night watching some teenage Lindsay Lohan movie. Yes, you are allowed to judge me. Now I have to go to a baseball scrimmage and then take my son to a big wrestling tournament tonight that will probably run until 10pm...I am going to be so tired. If you never hear from me again, I fell asleep at the tournament and they turned me into a female wrestler and put me on the circuit.

[kibakiba]

Yeah, if you want to see stretchmarks and scars, then I'll model it. It's embarrassing to even let my boyfriend see that stuff.


Also, you couldn't become a female wrestler, so there's no worrying about that! :D



My necklace that Kyle bought for me last year broke :( The fastener snapped off and I lost a few of the hematite beads. I'm hoping someone at a craft shop can help me fix it, that's the only necklace I've worn for the past year.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, if you want to see stretchmarks and scars, then I'll model it.

Photoshop fixes that. Shoot, you think that those pictures you see in magazines are really totally flawless women with no scars or blemishes? no such thing.

[EasternGirl]

My friend is a celeb photographer...she says you wouldn't believe the photoshopping that is done to the photos you see in the magazines. I'm pretty thin and I have stretchmarks and cellulite...that's part of being human. Why couldn't I be a female wrestler? I might not have fake boobies...but I'm pretty darn tough for a little thing! ;)

[guidofatherof5]

My friend is a celeb photographer...she says you wouldn't believe the photoshopping that is done to the photos you see in the magazines. I'm pretty thin and I have stretchmarks and cellulite...that's part of being human. Why couldn't I be a female wrestler? I might not have fake boobies...but I'm pretty darn tough for a little thing! ;)

You go girl.:D

[EasternGirl]

Okay....on a different topic...tomorrow morning is my surgery. I will hopefully be home tomorrow evening and I will come on here long enough to tell you all I am home and made it through everything okay. If I get nervous before my surgery I plan to think of all of my friends on the forum and to get an image in my head of Possum eating as I drift off to sleep...he is so goofy when he eats...that will hopefully give me happy snakie dreams. :)

[mikem]

Good luck with your surgery, Marnie! I'm sure everything will go as planned. I'll be thinking about you, keep us updated! If you don't update us tomorrow, then I'll just assume the medication has you in la-la land ;)

[Natrix]

Hope all goes well tomorrow, Marnie. ;)

La-la land :confused: She doesn't need meds for that, she's already there, Aren't you chuck! :D

just kidding! ;)

[tress29]

Insomnia got the best of me and I was up in the middle of the night watching some teenage Lindsay Lohan movie. Yes, you are allowed to judge me. Now I have to go to a baseball scrimmage and then take my son to a big wrestling tournament tonight that will probably run until 10pm...I am going to be so tired.
yeah, my boys have an ISSMA band event on Saturday. Gotta be at the school @ 6:15! Yikes! It's over an hour to get there, maybe I can nap on the bus?

[Didymus20X6]

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[Natrix]

"Insomnia got the best of me" Aye! She won't leave me alone either! :D

[kibakiba]

Yeah, insomnia seems to love Marnie and I... Maybe she prefers us girls a bit more. I wish she would leave me alone though! :D

[Natrix]

Hahahahaha! :D she must have a multiple personality or a twin or somthing. She never tiers. Won't leave me alone:D I'm exausted.

[EasternGirl]

Hi guys...I am still in the hospital. The anesthesia made me pretty sick, so I have to stay until tomorrow morning. Surgery went really well though. My roommate is extremely annoying..I am going to start hitting her with my pillow. Will check in again tomorrow.

[Invisible Snake]

Hey EasternGirl glad to hear your surgery went well :)

[guidofatherof5]

Glad to hear you are on the mend.

[katach]

Glad all went well with the surgery. Sorry the anesthesia made you sick. I have a bad reaction with it too. I get so cold I shake violently like I'm having a seizure. I remember my appendectomy they had to put me back under.

[chris-uk]

Hi guys...I am still in the hospital. The anesthesia made me pretty sick, so I have to stay until tomorrow morning. Surgery went really well though. My roommate is extremely annoying..I am going to start hitting her with my pillow. Will check in again tomorrow.

Good to hear the surgery went well.


Glad all went well with the surgery. Sorry the anesthesia made you sick. I have a bad reaction with it too. I get so cold I shake violently like I'm having a seizure. I remember my appendectomy they had to put me back under.

That's interesting Kat. About 18 years ago as part of my degree course I did some work on malignant hypothermia, more specifically my tutor was trying to develop screening test for it. I'm not sure if your reaction was malignant hypothermia but the temp drop made me wonder. It's a reaction to halothane (one of the common anaesthetic gases) and 18 years ago it would kill 50% of patients that had it, hence the need for a screening test.
At that time the screening test was to cut a piece of muscle from just above the knee and drop it in a test tube of reagent, if there wasn't a reaction it was safe to proceed. There was genetic link, so the research was trying to identify the gene and develop markers for a blood test.
Takes me back....

[Natrix]

Hope your out of hospital soon Lass, before you comit the crime of 'Death by pillow' :D.

[mikem]

Sorry to hear about the anesthesia. Check in when you can. Glad everything went well :) I'm with Rod... At this point, I'm thinking I should be more concerned about your roommate! Hope she made it through the night, lol!

[gregmonsta]

Speedy recovery to you Marnie ;)

[EasternGirl]

Hi everyone...I'm finally home. You'll be relieved to know my roommate also left this morning (that's my story anyway and I'm sticking to it...lol). She was Puerto Rican and she kept moaning "Dios Mio!" all night long...and "Aye yi yi!"(sp?)....until the nurses gave me headphones to keep from throwing things at her...lol. They always give me Spanish speaking roommates at the hospital since my married last name is Hispanic. At least I know how to say "shut up" in Spanish. Anyway...I always get severe nausea and vomiting from anesthesia. They give me medicine to prevent it and it usually works...but it didn't for some reason this time...plus I was so doped up from all the meds. Finally around 6pm last night they gave me a different nausea medicine and it worked. Dry heaving is not fun when you just had abdominal surgery and you have four incisions in your abdomen. I am still extremely sore and so sleepy. I'm going to go rest now. Thanks for all of the well wishes. Knowing you guys are here really helps get through all this! :)

[Natrix]

Knowing you guys are here really helps get through all this! :) Thats what friends are for..... even if we are 'Virtual' ;)

[EasternGirl]

My virtual friends are better friends to me than most of the "real world" friends I have had in this life. :)

[guidofatherof5]

Something is wrong in my home. I interact with a 13 lb snapping turtle everyday. Hands on interaction.
He doesn't bite.
Now comes our Sulcata tortoise into the living room. Within few moment that dang thing grabs my toe.
I can trust my snapping turtle.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/sulcata.jpg

[kibakiba]

Get lots of rest Marnie! I hope you feel like a million bucks soon! :D

[Light of Dae]

My virtual friends are better friends to me than most of the "real world" friends I have had in this life. :)

Ain't that the truth! I completly agree! Love this Garter forum, it's so full of awesome people with awesome snakes! I spend more time on here then I do on FaceBook.

[tress29]

I spend more time on here then I do on FaceBook.Yep, me too!

[katach]

Me too. I'm on here way more than anything else I do except sleep.

[mikem]

How are you feeling today, Marnie?

[EasternGirl]

I'm a lot less sore...thanks. It's going to be a little while before I can get up and down without wincing and bend over and stuff. My dog decided to walk across my stomach and step right on top of one of my incisions earlier...I gasped and sucked in all my breath and scared the crap out of my son. I have to get up at 7am tomorrow and go to opening day for baseball season...don't know how I'm going to pull that off...but I can't miss my son's opening day. It's supposed to be like 80 degrees here and my arms look like I'm a junky from all the IVs. Ought to be interesting. I am really depressed about John today. That hit me hard.

[mikem]

I remember my hernia surgery hurting for weeks and stayed sore for a couple of months. Not fun. Take an umbrella and stay hydrated.

and i hear ya, sad day for us all :(

[EasternGirl]

If I could wheel a morphine drip into the game I would be much happier. :D

[guidofatherof5]

I think a dart gun full of Thorazine would be a whole lot more fun.
Of course, it's more fun when the target is trying to get away.:D

Run Marrrrrnieeee, run.

[EasternGirl]

I think at this point I probably wouldn't run...just shoot me, knock me out and let me sleep it off for a few days! :D

[kibakiba]

My mom bought a big bag of tilapia filets for both me and the snakes... But when I was looking at the ingredients it had that sodium stuff and a large amout of citric acid... Guess that'll be food for me only!

[Didymus20X6]

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I found this picture highly offensive. Everyone knows that snakes are far more trustworthy than your typical government bureaucrat.

[Stefan-A]

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I found this picture highly offensive. Everyone knows that snakes are far more trustworthy than your typical government bureaucrat.
I agree, but to be fair, your typical government bureaucrat is far more trustworthy than your typical neighbour.

[Chulio]

my neighbors are nice.

[Stefan-A]

So are mine, but that doesn't mean I'd trust them.

[ConcinusMan]

Found a puget sound garter yesterday. Yellow dorsal stripe, light blue lateral stripes, face, and throat. Not the stunning blue ones, but still a handsome snake with a fair amount of blue. There's only one problem, it was a freshly killed D.O.R. :(

At least I know I'm looking in the right place. I'm sure I'll be up to my knees in them when we finally get some sunny days in the 70's.:cool:

Weather is still just too cool, cloudy, and blustry yet for good herping, but it can't last forever even though it seems like it.

[Light of Dae]

It was warming up around here... but now it's been snowing for 2days. No snakes coming out to play in the snow here.

[Natrix]

It was warming up around here... but now it's been snowing for 2days. No snakes coming out to play in the snow here.
Welcome to the UK :D

[EasternGirl]

Sounds like the crazy weather we have been having in Delaware...and btw, Rod, I have said many times lately that I feel as though I am in England again.

[guidofatherof5]

Watching Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. A very nice looking Wandering garter snake in a scene. Comes out of his sleeve when he's fighting on top of the train at the beginning of the movie.
Go Garter Snakes!

[EasternGirl]

It's funny how with movies...I watched that when I was younger and I never would have paid attention to the fact that it was a garter snake. Now if I were to watch it, I would notice something like that right away. I remember I was watching a scene in Dexter last winter and they found a body with snakes in it...and I was squinting at the screen and trying to figure out what kind of snakes they were...trying to see if they could possibly be garters. :D

[Stefan-A]

It's funny how with movies...I watched that when I was younger and I never would have paid attention to the fact that it was a garter snake. Now if I were to watch it, I would notice something like that right away. I remember I was watching a scene in Dexter last winter and they found a body with snakes in it...and I was squinting at the screen and trying to figure out what kind of snakes they were...trying to see if they could possibly be garters. :D
Those were the worst CGI snakes I have ever seen. I think there was one real, live snake in the whole scene.

[EasternGirl]

The body on the beach that they cut open and the snakes crawled out? Yeah...it wasn't very convincing. Lol...Still, I always look at snakes anytime I see them now to see if they look like garters. It's just instinct...I immediately look to see if a snake is a garter and what species/subspecies it might be.

[Eight]

Didn't want to make a whole new thread about it but I handled my new little garter for the first time yesterday. He was shooting off everywhere to begin with, then he calmed down after a minute or so and was as chilled out as any of my snakes. Think I may take some more pics tomorrow.

[kibakiba]

This thread is for off topic or non-garter chat. You could just post in one of your threads when you have updates like that ;)

[Eight]

Gottcha :)

[mikem]

Went mountain biking saturday. First time I've been on my bike since October. Did 9 miles. My butt is still sore, lol!

[mustang]

Went mountain biking saturday. First time I've been on my bike since October. Did 9 miles. My butt is still sore, lol!
boy, you roughed it. lol
dangit, i got grounded saturday and sunday, slept through most of it, got checker's sleep cycle. Now im tired, wired, and IN SCHOOL A WEEK BEFORE AP TESTS!

[mikem]

You're telling me! I gotta shed my winter weight. I'm usually around 172lbs, but I ate like a bear and gained 20lbs! :mad:
Good luck with your tests and getting your sleep cycle back to normal!

[mustang]

thanks ill need it...

[mikem]

We're Not Young (http://screen.yahoo.com/we-re-not-young-28966610.html)

Just saw this on yahoo and now I'm a little depressed, haha.

[EasternGirl]

Hey Mike, at least you can bike that far...I am so out of shape right now...I think if I tried to bike a mile, I'd fall over in the street like one of those old people on the infomercials..."Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!"...:D.

[EasternGirl]

Okay...so I'm going to vent now...my son had his first baseball game of the season tonight. He's on the Tigers. They played against the Mariners. When his team played against the Mariners in scrimmages, they beat them both times. But tonight, there was a different umpire and the Mariner's coach was making some really dirty calls...and the ump was siding with him on everything...and the Mariners beat our team 24-12. Just looking at that score you know something was funny...especially if we beat this team every other time we played against them. It was friggin' ridiculous and it makes me so angry because it is teaching the kids dirty game politics and poor sportsmanship. The poor boys were so upset...even the coach was upset. It was a crappy way to start the season. So I am in a crappy mood. And I realized that if you type Mariners wrong, you can accidently type Marniers....lol.

[Light of Dae]

Good time for a lesson in 'life ain't always fair' and a 'be better then them and be honest' talk. Your little guys team beat them fair n square every other time, that is something to be proud of.

:)

[EasternGirl]

Yeah, I know. We talked a lot about it last night. My son is a smart kid...he knew what was up. Interestingly, he wasn't bummed about the fact that they didn't win...he was angry about how the other team's coach acted and how the umpire acted and that it was an unfair game. He had a run...and the other coach claimed that he didn't touch the home plate when he was crossing over home...which was so ridiculous because we all saw him from the stands...we could see that his feet touched the plate. The coaches fought and the ump sided with the other team...even though we were losing and had just gotten so excited about getting that run...and they took the run away. It was just ridiculous. They didn't need to take the run from us, they were beating the crap out of us anyway. Then, at the end of the game, when the other team was 12 runs up on us, they started stealing bases. It was like they were trying to rub our faces in it...it was so unbelievable. Our coach started yelling at the other coach...he was like "My God...you're beating us by 12 runs...you need to steal bases?". The other team just had no class. Our poor boys were so down and the other team was just...it was as if they were repeatedly kicking them when they were down on the ground. The parents were upset, the coaches were upset...and the other team is on the same league. But my son is very smart...he knows what they did was wrong and lacking in character. He's just upset that they got away with it...and so am I. I really think that the league should do something about it.

[mikem]

Can you complain about these guys to anyone running the league? Maybe if enough people did, something would happen. Either straighten up their act and let the kids enjoy the game or get removed from the league.

[Didymus20X6]

Or show up at the umpire's house holding a garter snake, and say, "Unless you want to find a whole bunch of these in your underwear drawer, you will call the game fairly."

[EasternGirl]

Right now I'm waiting to hear...because I have a feeling the coaches probably didn't take the whole thing lying down. I want to see if they complained to the league. I'll know more after the next game on Saturday.

[Didymus20X6]

By the way, I did that once. During a particular week, it seemed that a local cult kept knocking on my door early in the morning. My thought: they had no concern to hear my own religious opinions, so I wasn't interested in hearing any more of theirs. So one day, I decided to answer the door holding Little Dude. One lady actually ran across the street to get away. The others actually stayed and asked me some questions about garters. But they haven't bothered me since.

[Stefan-A]

So one day, I decided to answer the door holding Little Dude. One lady actually ran across the street to get away. The others actually stayed and asked me some questions about garters.
At first, I couldn't make the connection. Why would they be asking you about garters in that situation?

Then I realized that Little Dude was a garter.

[EasternGirl]

That's good. I am now going to start answering the door with big fat Cee Cee in my hand when solicitors come to bother me...Perhaps I will even be feeding her a pinky.

[ConcinusMan]

Watching Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. A very nice looking Wandering garter snake in a scene. Comes out of his sleeve when he's fighting on top of the train at the beginning of the movie.
Go Garter Snakes!

Yeah, I noticed that right away wheh the movie was fairly new. I was naming the snake species' as they appeared in the movie. Irritated the hell out of my parents. LoL.

[ConcinusMan]

Did anyone else notice that in the Indiana Jones movies, the images of R2D2 and C3P0 are in the hieroglyphics? In any of the movies, pay close attention to the scenes that show hieroglyphics. You'll see things that definitely don't belong there. If I remember correctly, it happens in the snake pit scene too.

[Didymus20X6]

Actually, in one of the Star Wars comics, Indiana Jones finds a crash-landed Millennium Falcon.

[katach]

Pretty sure that my new neighbors "service dog" is a big fat lie! Dog stays home most of the time and likes to bark late at night. Doing some research to find out what exactly can be done. I think they fibbed so they could get cheap rent and not have to get rid of their dog. I'm really annoyed.

[tress29]

I was naming the snake species' as they appeared in the movie. Irritated the hell out of my parents. LoL.
One of my boys likes to point out how a movie differs from the book. I have to keep shushing him, and then spend time afterwards hearing him out! He just turned 13, you think he'd understand artistic license?

P.S. The twins turned 13 yesterday! Yikes?

[guidofatherof5]

Twin teens. Sounds like fun.

[EasternGirl]

So are there any garters in the snake pit scene? My son talks through movies too...he argues with the people in the movie...he will get mad at the bad guy or something and say smart things to him, or point out things that are "dumb" or repeat things that are funny...I have to "shussh" him over and over. I love spending time with him but he is the worst person to watch a movie with if you actually want to hear the movie. That sucks about your neighbors, Kat...people really shouldn't lie about things like that.

[ConcinusMan]

Yes, there are garters (wandering) in the scene. That's what we were talking about originally.

You can lie all you want but service dogs get certified as such so it can be verified if anyone bothers to check. However, it doesn't take much to get a dog certified as a service dog. It's pretty easy, especially if you go with the "therapy dog" route.

[EasternGirl]

Sorry to change the subject but I just got a letter from my school that said I have been officially accepted into the clinical component of the nursing program. I passed the final review...the reason I was doing all of the FBI checks, drug testing, blood tests, etc. So I will start clinicals next year.

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats. Good work Marnie.

[ConcinusMan]

I can't open my thread, http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7090-concinnusmans-garters.html?highlight=concinnusman%27s+garters That sucks.

[Stefan-A]

I can't open my thread, http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7090-concinnusmans-garters.html?highlight=concinnusman's+garters (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7090-concinnusmans-garters.html?highlight=concinnusman%27s+garters) That sucks.
Indeed. You might want to inform Boots, if you haven't already.

The same applies anyone else who comes across threads that you can't open.

[EasternGirl]

Thanks, guys.

[katach]

I can't open my thread, http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7090-concinnusmans-garters.html?highlight=concinnusman%27s+garters That sucks.

I had the same problem with one if my threads. It said I was forbidden. I closed my browser and waited a minute and then tried again, it worked after that.

[Chulio]

Sorry to change the subject but I just got a letter from my school that said I have been officially accepted into the clinical component of the nursing program. I passed the final review...the reason I was doing all of the FBI checks, drug testing, blood tests, etc. So I will start clinicals next year.

Way to go girl!

[mikem]

Big Congrats Marnie! You'll be Nurse Marnie before you know it :D

[EasternGirl]

That's better than Nurse Ratchett right? Lol... Kat, that's funny....You are forbidden to look at this thread! I told my son last night that I got accepted into clinicals...he told me that is "Swawesome!"....sweet and awesome. I told him it is good news and bad news. The bad news is...once I start clinicals, I won't be around much...the good news is, once I'm a nurse, we will finally have money. Of course he then goes on to talk about me buying pools and such....:D.

[guidofatherof5]

"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! ":D

[ConcinusMan]

Indeed. You might want to inform Boots, if you haven't already.

The same applies anyone else who comes across threads that you can't open.

He's aware of it. Udo told me he already told Boots.

[Stefan-A]

Good.