Its oh so quiet Shh Shh

[RedSidedSPR]

Hope it isn't. I can;t get it, so i hope you do.:D

[ConcinusMan]

I have no such hopes but if the ad is still up when I get the cash I will certainly look into it. I'm pretty good at spotting a deal that will expire in mere hours after posting it, and that's definitely one of those.

[ConcinusMan]

Trivia:

I have two coins totalling 55 cents (American or Canadian)

One is not a nickel

What is the other coin?

[infernalis]

Right, One is a 50 cent piece, but the other one is still a nickle.


Trivia - what trivial fact ties the TV show "Happy days" to "NCIS" (loosely)

[PINJOHN]

Man, that sure is a an "Evil" grin that gecko has! Looks like he's fixing to eat a lawyer.

there's nothing evil about eating a lawyer, its not even naughty :rolleyes:

[drache]

there's nothing evil about eating a lawyer, its not even naughty :rolleyes:
LOVETT: Here we are, now! Hot out of the oven!
TODD: What is that?

LOVETT:
It's priest. Have a little priest.
TODD:
Is it really good?
LOVETT:
Sir, it's too good, at least!
Then again, they don't commit sins of the flesh,
So it's pretty fresh.
TODD:
Awful lot of fat.
LOVETT:
Only where it sat.
TODD:
Haven't you got poet, or something like that?
LOVETT:
No, y'see, the trouble with poet is
'Ow do you know it's deceased?
Try the priest!

TODD: (spoken) Heavenly!
Not as hearty as bishop, perhaps,
but then again, not as bland as curate, either!

LOVETT:
And good for business, too -- always leaves you wantin' more!
Trouble is, we only get it on Sundays!

Lawyer's rather nice.
TODD:
If it's for a price.
LOVETT:
Order something else, though, to follow,
Since no one should swallow it twice!

[ConcinusMan]

there's nothing evil about eating a lawyer, its not even naughty :rolleyes:

No, but if you're a lizard fixing to eat one, the satisfaction alone would prompt that evil grin. You know, he looks like he just got Bin Laden cornered with no where to turn.:D

http://www.thamnophis.us/Macro/Leo.jpg

[Mommy2many]

Cover your tanks with towels. May help to keep some heat in and drafts out.

[ConcinusMan]

:p:D

http://scoopertino.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/app_store_express.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

What does that mean?!?! Like donating?? NO MORE APPS??
That is ret@rded unless I'm not understanding this.

[Stefan-A]

What does that mean?!?! Like donating?? NO MORE APPS??
That is ret@rded unless I'm not understanding this.
First off, don't try to circumvent the filter, it's there for a reason.

Second, "retatrded" is not a word. :p While I'm ranting about symbols, and this has nothing to do with you, the symbol "&" is not "and", it's "et". ;)

The point of that fake ad is that Apple wants as much of your money as they can squeeze out of you and that they've streamlined that process and that they're not even trying to pretend anymore.

[infernalis]

Read it over ;) it's a joke ad, comedy.

refer to the recent Southpark episode "Human Centipad"

[ConcinusMan]

I didn't figure that one would need explanation, but Stefan and Wayne nailed it.

"First born and other methods of payment accepted" LoL.:p

[RedSidedSPR]

I first thought it was fake, but it looked so real:p Oops. I fell stupid again:rolleyes: I've been really gullible lately

[ConcinusMan]

http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/AL5x0d.jpeg

http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/FNtqij.jpeg

[infernalis]

While I'm ranting about symbols, the symbol "&" is not "and", it's "et". ;).

ampersand, et per se.....

A certain individual was constantly posting "per say" I felt like face palming every time. ;)

That "dead language that no one cares about" comes in handy sometimes. (around Stefan anyways):p

[Mommy2many]

While I'm ranting about symbols, and this has nothing to do with you, the symbol "&" is not "and", it's "et". ;)




Which still means" and", in English.:D

[d_virginiana]

That "dead language that no one cares about" comes in handy sometimes. (around Stefan anyways):p


Wow. For the first time in my life I realized that 'per se' is Latin and not French (which there is really no excuse for seeing as I've taken French :p). Haha, you learn something new every day...

[Mommy2many]

Many of our languages are based upon latin. After having been "forced" while in middle school to take the language, I have an appreciation for the years I spent learning it. It definitely made learning other languages much easier.

[Mommy2many]

As for latin, I really do appreciate Wayne's signature.

[infernalis]

Wow. For the first time in my life I realized that 'per se' is Latin and not French (which there is really no excuse for seeing as I've taken French :p). Haha, you learn something new every day...

I must admit, just a few short years ago my interest in Latin was rekindled by a certain young man who uses it on here frequently.

[Mommy2many]

I also have to admit, that besides medical terminology, this forum is the only other place I have seen the language used at all. Kudos, Stefan & Wayne!

[infernalis]

Legalese uses extensive amounts of Latin phrases.

Your lawyer can talk over your head or be your partner in the courtroom, I chose the latter.

[ConcinusMan]

I guess someone thought plains garters look like a root because that's what radix means doesn't it? "root or point of origin". "Concinnus" is defined under my avatar.;)

[guidofatherof5]

I guess someone thought plains garters look like a root because that's what radix means doesn't it? "root or point of origin". "Concinnus" is defined under my avatar.;)

Looks to me like you need to thank a radix for the origin of concinnus.:D

[ConcinusMan]

I don't think so. I stumbled onto the following. Pretty interesting. Or just weird. I haven't decided which. Ben L. Robertson: Thamnophis Sirtalis « translinguistic other (http://emilypothast.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/ben-l-robertson-thamnophis-sirtalis/)

[d_virginiana]

Legalese uses extensive amounts of Latin phrases.
.

Dendrology and botany do that too to some extent. There are certain plant names that no one can seem to pronounce in a non-offensive way; it gets pretty funny after awhile.

[ConcinusMan]

Too bad I'm not into retics or any non-colubrids actually. Found this on craigslist tonight. Vancouver, Washington: (Portland, Oregon metro area)

"4ft lavender albino male reticulated python very friendly hook trained eats frozen healthy happy snake looking to rehome with his cage and heating equipment bedding water bowl. Experienced snake people only. Not because hes mean but he will get big 10ft plus and has a big feeding response. Asking $250 for him and his home. Price is firm no lowballers contact me. he needs the right home call or text for pics 503 421 2538 thanks"

Sounds like a sweet deal if you're into retics and if it's healthy.

[Stefan-A]

Which still means" and", in English.:D
Which doesn't matter.

[Stefan-A]

Dendrology and botany do that too to some extent. There are certain plant names that no one can seem to pronounce in a non-offensive way; it gets pretty funny after awhile.
Well, it beats the convention that existed before binomial nomenclature.

[Mommy2many]

Which doesn't matter.


True

[ConcinusMan]

While acquainting myself with a new elderly patient, I asked 'how long have you been bedridden?'

After a look of complete confusion she answered . . .'Why, not for about twenty years - when my husband was still alive.'

Submitted by Dr. Steven Swanson- Maidenhead Royal Kent

At the beginning of my shift, I placed a stethoscope on an elderly and slightly deaf female patient's anterior chest wall. 'Big breaths,' I instructed.

'Yes, they used to be,'. . . replied the patient.

Submitted by Dr. Richard Barnes, St. Thomas's Bath

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1049/doublefacepalmn.jpg

[drache]

herping's easy in Florida
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19gator.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23

[PINJOHN]

great stuff Rhea i very much enjoyed reading that :)

[drache]

this from the travel section
Where to View Endangered Species - NYTimes.com (http://travel.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/travel/endangered-species-travel-guide.html?pagewanted=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha210)

[ConcinusMan]

Wait a second...

What did that child's toy say?

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[Stefan-A]

Richard.

[guidofatherof5]

Not very family friendly.
Glad I saw it before one of my kids did.

[drache]

Richard
it's 2011 - what age are you?

[RedSidedSPR]

Geez...

[ConcinusMan]

I won't be on the forum for most of next week. I know you'll all miss me very much. :rolleyes: By monday evening, I will be here:

Nevada High Desert. Actual location where I will be.
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/5748/unled222h.jpg

Near Pyramid Lake, Washoe County Nevada. (Reno/Sparks area) I'll be staying a few days and while I'm there, I'm going to do some road cruising around sundown/dawn for Great Basin Rattlesnakes. I hope I find some!

I've been here before but never saw a single herp except road kill. But then again, I've only been out here at the wrong times of the day when it was blazing hot. There are no lizards to speak of, a few gopher snakes, and rattlesnakes are plentiful. The only way to find any is around sundown. It cools off fast here so the snakes come out on the roads to stay warm. It can be 90 degrees all day but within a couple of hours after sundown, the temperature can plummet to around freezing. :eek: One thing is for sure, no matter how hot it is, don't get caught out here after dark wearing nothing but a tee shirt. You'll freeze you butt off.

[RedSidedSPR]

Hope you find some cool stuff

Well... I guess I'll miss you... a little.:D

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Good luck with your trip.

[ConcinusMan]

Still in Reno everyone. Having a great time. I will be flying home tomorrow evening. I have lots of pictures and stories to go with them. Didn't find any rattlesnakes but I did find a few lizards and got some great pics to share. I'll do that when I get home.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7443/importedphotos00019.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Looking forward to pictures.

[HazAnga]

Hey all, me and my girlfriend are planing some state side travel plans, I have to go to Port Huron, Michigan for new tires for my car, but we plan on staying a whole weekend doing some shopping and maybe some sight seeing, I'm wanting to do some pet store looking and maybe shopping... maybe, but I'm thinking that's on the low side because I've been limited to one snake purchase this year and I kind of already have my sights on one. But if anyone could tell me things to do and shopping. Mostly sticking to Michigan but if there's an attraction around the bordering States it might bring us there. So things like pet stores, shopping plaza's (Were already planing on going to Birch Run) and anything else anyone could come up with.
Thanks all.

[RdubSnider]

Michigan is a pretty nice state. Should be a good time for you. Unfortunately if Your looking for a new garter snake the selection is often poor and alot of times there's not any at all

[PINJOHN]

thanks Richard for your photo of Reno spoilt just a little bit by the ugly bald guy who got in the way :rolleyes:

[Sonya610]

I assume you know enough to avoid the "no go" sections of Detroit right?

I had a Swiss cousin that visited a couple of years back, he was going to spend the whole year backpacking around the US and did not tell anyone discovering inner city Detroit was on his agenda.

Fortunately as he was hiking into the outskirts of the city some guy mowing his lawn asked him what in the heck he was doing, and when he heard my cousin's insane plan he put him in his car and drove him to the other side of town with a stern warning.

Hopefully Canadians are a bit more aware of the US crime problem than the Swiss, but just in case!

[drache]

anybody know mushrooms?
do tell . . .

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/5761322345_3452107cd4_b.jpg

can we eat these?

[Sonya610]

Since we are already way offtopic for this section why not throw a youtube video in the mix? FYI last I heard sections of Detroit were no longer going to have police or fire services. If you decide to visit these areas be sure to make arrangements for your garters just in case. ;)



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[ConcinusMan]

I'm pretty sure that those are a member of the Coprinopsis family. Not sure about the species though. If that I.D. is correct, they are edible when young. They taste a bit like nuts. They aren't really worth eating IMO unless you find one called "shaggy mane" (Coprinus comatus). Those are much larger and taste like prime rib!

If you eat any member of this family, do not consume alcohol within 24 hours or so. They contain a chemical that prevents you from metabolizing alcohol so you will get very sick if you do so. "Antibuse" (a drug used to treat alcoholism) is made from these mushrooms.

[ConcinusMan]

thanks Richard for your photo of Reno spoilt just a little bit by the ugly bald guy who got in the way :rolleyes:

Haha, very funny.:cool:

Here's the area I decided would be a good place to look for rattlers. (near Pyramid way at Sparks Blvd. in Sparks) I went up there and started poking around the rock piles. It was breezy and around 72 degrees. The pics of the lizards I found are on another camera and I don't have the USB cord with me. The herp pics will have to wait until I get home tonight.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9339/importedphotos00012.jpg

[Spankenstyne]

Just be aware that if you're planning on bringing any reptiles back you will need to have a US Import/Export license (since you are now the exporter according to the US), arrange and pay for the US Fish & Wildlife inspection and have the 3-177 paperwork complete (you need 48 hours min notice for the inspection btw) and then on the Canadian side will need to also pay any taxes on the declared value which you will need an invoice for.

That's just for non-CITES animals.

[Spankenstyne]

Max punishment (as relayed by someone stateside) for failing to do so includes: up to 20 years time, full seizure of the animals (possibly also your house and/or assets of value), and a fine of $500 up to $5,000 per animal.

They've also really been cracking down on this in recent years compared to before, I'm told they used to be pretty slack about the 3-177 and inspections but not any more.

[ConcinusMan]

Since we are already way offtopic for this section why not throw a youtube video in the mix? FYI last I heard sections of Detroit were no longer going to have police or fire services. If you decide to visit these areas be sure to make arrangements for your garters just in case. ;)



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Yeah, well if things keep going like they are, most of America's cities will look like this.

[ConcinusMan]

Translation for you Canadians: "Detroit this way"
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070627070431/uncyclopedia/images/f/f1/Roadhell.jpg


Tips for Tourists When Visiting Detroit



Who in Hell was your travel agent? AAA doesn't even stock Detroit maps anymore. Stay away from here.
Detroit's city income tax applies to visitors. Stay north of 8 mile. There's plenty of blight in the suburbs to see too.
Don't give in to temptation and buy a dozen or so of those $1 homes. They are not worth it. Take your family to McDonalds for lunch instead.
Always carry a gun with you at all times
Make it 2 guns
Never leave your hotel without your guns as well as your luggage (Some crook will steal your luggage trust me)
Always carry plenty of ammo & mags
If I were you I would carry Glocks
ALWAYS remember the third tip
Keep the safety off at all times (Trust me crime lurks around every street corner)
Before you cap your first criminal always say a cool line before you shoot him, like "You feelin lucky punk?" or "Hasta LaVista baby" ( NOTE: you sometimes might want shoot them right then and now before they draw their weapon)
Make sure your firearm packs a powerful punch because what's the fun if it didn't
Always put your hands up for Detroit, otherwise the police will brainwash you with this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puw2bahu7wQ)
Always remember that bullets solve crimes way faster than courts ever will
When your near a drive by never confront the car unless you know what type of weapons the occupants are using and unless you have the guts to fight them anyway
A Soviet RPG 7V (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=RPG_7V&action=edit&redlink=1) is always a sure victory when confronting crimals doing a drive by (NOTE: This weapon is not only hard to come by but really is not practical unless you want it to be)
Remember that killing crime does not only save your life and reduce crime a little, but helps out the Detroit police
Always remember that Axel Foley has got your back (though depending on what area of Detroit your in) (Like come on he can't be everywhere at once, could he?)
Every bullet is your baby, so make each shot count
Be creative with your kills
Have fun, but be on your best guard while doing it
ALWAYS remember that your killing criminals not people right? Of couse I'm right because why the hell would I have given this tip?

[Sonya610]

Stay north of 8 mile. There's plenty of blight in the suburbs to see too.


LOL so true and so sad! Actually some European photographers were recently doing sort of an "archeological" study of Detroit. Photographing the ruins of the beautiful hotels, restaurants, the georgious mansions owned by the premiere millionaires of the time. It was quite the place and very very elegant.

Within a few decades a world class city was reduced to decay and wilderness.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oyDRus0HKls/S8ZHTndttRI/AAAAAAAABW8/bB_6bq5csaQ/s1600/08.jpg
http://www.marchandmeffre.com/detroit/24.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Wow. Amazing photos. Portland has a lot of really wonderful old buildings like that too. I just love old buildings, abandoned or not. I was very sad to hear that they tore down the historic Mapes Hotel in Reno. It was a beautiful building.

Wow, I think we just broke the record for the fewest posts it takes to go off topic.:rolleyes:

[mustang]

sorry iv been off for a while, look at this!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT8qvQrClI/AAAAAAAADLs/Qy4I0aBpxzA/s400/20815.jpg
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT8qvQrClI/AAAAAAAADLs/Qy4I0aBpxzA/s1600/20815.jpg)

Sylvia Mythen, a 70-year-old grandmother from Venice, Fl, has discovered what appears to be the world's first orange alligator. She was returning from work when she drove by the gator and promptly had to back up for a double-take. After sending the picture to her local news station she also contacted a biologist who believes the gator is really just half-albino. He says he has never seen or heard of one. But Gary Morse from Florida Fish and Wildlife feels the orange color might be from some environmental element. Regardless, the University of Florida Gators might have a new mascot.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT86V1J0ZI/AAAAAAAADLw/lFyvqgm0bnc/s400/20815.jpg
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT86V1J0ZI/AAAAAAAADLw/lFyvqgm0bnc/s1600/20815.jpg)

Look at this strange animal! Yes, that is a purple polar bear believe it or not! This usually white polar bear created quite the buzz about the Mendoza City Zoo in Argentina when it unexpectedly turned purple. It seems that the polar bear named Pelusa had a skin condition that the zoo officials were trying to treat, and as a result of the special treatment of this condition the polar bear turned purple. The purple color only lasted for a little while, but it was quite the talk of the town and spread across the world news and internet like wildfire.




http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT9IdtdjAI/AAAAAAAADL0/Z5fSA3rVjmc/s1600/20815.jpg
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT9IdtdjAI/AAAAAAAADL0/Z5fSA3rVjmc/s1600/20815.jpg)


The lizard in the photo is not being manipulated (not a photo manipulation). It is now the latest exotic pet craze. Mwanza flat-headed agama's vivid blue-and-red colouring, is a lizard that has a body skin colour similar to Spiderman. Agamas, which are native to Kenya can be good pets, as they become tame and docile if handled regularly.

It can grow up to a foot long, and a balanced diet for them includes locusts, crickets, meal worms and wax worms. They are unable to throw webs, but can change colour – the brightly coloured males will change brown at night or if frightened. They can also run on their hind legs, and can scale vertical walls like spiders.



Moonstruck Madness: 10 Cute But Weirdly Colored Animals (http://nevemoon.blogspot.com/2011/01/10-cute-but-weirdly-colored-animals.html)

[RedSidedSPR]

What's with all the spray-painted animals?:D

Pretty cool, nice to see ya back.

[ConcinusMan]

sorry iv been off for a while, look at this!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT8qvQrClI/AAAAAAAADLs/Qy4I0aBpxzA/s400/20815.jpg
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OuWM7kOWQM8/TTT8qvQrClI/AAAAAAAADLs/Qy4I0aBpxzA/s1600/20815.jpg)

Sylvia Mythen, a 70-year-old grandmother from Venice, Fl, has discovered what appears to be the world's first orange alligator.

The alligator itself wasn't orange. It had been swimming in a rusty culvert. This "orange" alligator is old news and has already been determined to not be what it appears to be. Just saying.;)

Now here's some news that is true and very upsetting so unless you want to get really upset and ticked off don't look:

http://www.dailyreptilenews.com/?p=4340

[kibakiba]

Anyone know what this is? The picture is blurry, it was taken with an ipod touch... My boyfriend found it in his back yard, he's in Ontario, Canada. He said it's a long parasite-like worm.. Thing.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/110605_003843.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Hard to say. Could be a tape worm expelled by it's host.

[kibakiba]

He said he thought it might have been a horsehair worm, but yeah. It grosses me out. I've been feeling like something is crawling on me since he showed me that. Haha

[ConcinusMan]

Wait, are you sure you don't feel something moving inside you? :D :p (I just had to) Lots of people have worms inside them and don't even know it. Seriously.

[kibakiba]

Yeah, I had H plyori or whatever, when I was a kid. My doctor said it was just "schoolitis" for 3 years until she found out i had that and then proceeded to tell me it was my fault that she never found out. The oddest and probably funniest part about it is she said if i didn't get it treated soon, it would continually eat away at my stomach until it finally killed me. It wasn't funny when I was 8, but I can see how stupid it was. I think she put unneeded stress on me as an 8 year old. She could have said to take the magical pills once a day and I'd be all better! :rolleyes:

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I had H plyori or whatever, when I was a kid.

That's a bacteria, not a worm.;) Eats away the lining of your stomach, removing your protection from stomach acid. Once the protective lining is gone, you literally digest your own stomach. Loads of fun!

[kibakiba]

She told me it was a parasite and showed me a picture of a worm-like thing. I kind of never trust doctors though. Here in my area they could give you poison that makes you really sick and there is nothing wrong with it. :rolleyes:

[ConcinusMan]

It very well could be you had both (which is very common) and so you got confused as to which is which. Even though the plyori is a bacteria, the tests to find it also usually reveal worms too if you have them. Ironically enough, one of the same medications (Metronidazole, also known as Flagyl) for getting rid of plyori also gets rid of worms and other types of parasites and is commonly used for reptiles too.

[ConcinusMan]

Oh Wow! check this out. Police find 1,600 marijuana plants growing in Vancouver home | The Columbian (http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/jun/10/police-1600-marijuana-plants-growing-vancouver/)


Busts like this used to be commonplace around here during the 1980's but grow operations and weed trafficking took a back seat to meth by 1990. In other words, my neighborhood hasn't seen the likes of this in nearly 25 years. Apparently, since Washington legalized medical marijuana in 2001, illegal grow operations have been on the increase. This is a huge whole-house operation.

[Stefan-A]

Legalize it.

[PINJOHN]

Chantel that helibactor pylori [not sure if i have spell't it right] is a heart warming story of a little man taking on the giants and winning, a young Australia'n put forward a scientific paper that ulcer's were caused by a bacteria and not stress and diet as was universally excepted, he was slated by the medical big wigs after all hadn't they been removing large sections of peoples stomach's for years as part of the treatment for ulcer's, how dare this aussy upstart disagree with eminent consultants and surgeons, "ulcer's cured by a course of anti biotics preposterous"

[ConcinusMan]

Legalize it. I'm with you. I'm sure I don't have to list the reasons in favor of it. If you're saying that, you already know what they are. They far outnumber the reasons against legalizing. And my opinion is not just because I'm pot head or anything like that. I rarely touch the stuff these days and I think if another person wants to smoke that stuff every day, then he should have that choice. Just sick of seeing law enforcement spending so much money on enforcement, just to put "grandma" or a guy growing his own supply in prison, when they could be going after real criminals while enjoying tax revenue by making it legal.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I'm with you. I'm sure I don't have to list the reasons in favor of it. If you're saying that, you already know what they are. They far outnumber the reasons against legalizing. And my opinion is not just because I'm pot head or anything like that. I rarely touch the stuff. Just sick of seeing law enforcement spending so much money on enforcement, just to put "grandma" in prison, when they could be going after real criminals while enjoying tax revenue by making it legal.

Notice he said rarely.

[ConcinusMan]

Oops, I edited after you quoted me, but not to change the meaning of what I said. Yeah, why don't you just point out that I smoke weed. What do you want, a confession?:p

Just saying, I have a family member who's wife is a card holder. Every now and then, they unintentionally overproduce (a few grams beyond what they can legally possess) and offer me a little bit. Sometimes, I accept. No biggie. I can take it or leave it, but sometimes I take it unless I'm going to driving or taking UA's anytime soon. That's all I'm saying. I'm not ashamed of it.

Anyway you look at it, they don't sell the excess, they give it away. They are law abiding citizens. And at the same time, I'm not putting any money in the hands of thugs when I get my weed. No harm, no foul, I say!:D

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I know what you're saying i was just kidding around.

[infernalis]

My picture of chomper won a photo contest.......

http://www.thamfriends.com/publish/chomp.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Awesome! News flash on the front page of the National Inquirer to go with the photo...

"Man finds dinosaur living in his backyard" :p

[RedSidedSPR]

Awesome!! What contest?

[Stefan-A]

"Man finds dinosaur living in his backyard" :p
This would be a dinosaur living in a man's backyard.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/nature/2011/backyard-dino.jpg

[infernalis]

Awesome!! What contest?


Another forum......

[ConcinusMan]

This would be a dinosaur living in a man's backyard.


Agreed:D


Legalize it.

Malum prohibitum

[RedSidedSPR]

Another forum......

Well, i knew it wasn't this one:rolleyes:;)

[ConcinusMan]

Well, i knew it wasn't this one:rolleyes:;)

The point is, it's not "polite" to mention or promote other forums, within a competing forum.;) It could be considered to be spam.

But if you ask me, no forum competes with this one when it comes to garter snake-specific enthusiasm.:D Each forum has it's own qualities to offer.

Wayne (Infernalis) is the administrator of another forum, in case you didn't already know that. A darn fine and under appreciated forum if I do say so myself. A bit more relaxed on the scope of topics that can be discussed, and a little more relaxed as far as "mature content" (and humor) discussions go.;)

In other words, you can make fart/boob jokes without everyone getting offended, and there are sections for discussing all kinds of pets and subjects.

[guidofatherof5]

Jeff B.
I can't PM you until you clearout some of you mail.

[Didymus20X6]

My picture of chomper won a photo contest.......

http://www.thamfriends.com/publish/chomp.jpg
Why do I imagine this guy singing with the voice of Tone Loc about eating tiny people?

[kibakiba]

Because he did!

[RedSidedSPR]

The point is, it's not "polite" to mention or promote other forums, within a competing forum.;) It could be considered to be spam.

But if you ask me, no forum competes with this one when it comes to garter snake-specific enthusiasm.:D Each forum has it's own qualities to offer.

Wayne (Infernalis) is the administrator of another forum, in case you didn't already know that. A darn fine and under appreciated forum if I do say so myself. A bit more relaxed on the scope of topics that can be discussed, and a little more relaxed as far as "mature content" (and humor) discussions go.;)

In other words, you can make fart/boob jokes without everyone getting offended, and there are sections for discussing all kinds of pets and subjects.

Sorry. Yeah, i knew about that forum, and figured it was that one... just wanted to know what the contest was about, but never mind.

It's a pretty cool forum too. (although i do think this forum owns all)

[RedSidedSPR]

My flame like the fishies! (num, num:p)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Red14.jpg

[infernalis]

Sorry. Yeah, i knew about that forum, and figured it was that one... just wanted to know what the contest was about, but never mind.

It's a pretty cool forum too. (although i do think this forum owns all)

I would never enter my own contest.... I don't believe in it, I have the ability to alter the poll results, so I don't participate.

I do at least a dozen forums daily.... I keep a lot of animals and only some of them are garter snakes.

One tragic thing is that someone just bought a baby Savannah based on looking at my pictures.. I only hope that person has a little common sense, or that poor lizard is doomed.

Folks see my pics and think this is some sort of cute cuddly puppy like creature that is easy to care for.... they are not that at all, Quite the opposite.

[RedSidedSPR]

I would never enter my own contest.... I don't believe in it, I have the ability to alter the poll results, so I don't participate.

I do at least a dozen forums daily.... I keep a lot of animals and only some of them are garter snakes.

One tragic thing is that someone just bought a baby Savannah based on looking at my pictures.. I only hope that person has a little common sense, or that poor lizard is doomed.

Folks see my pics and think this is some sort of cute cuddly puppy like creature that is easy to care for.... they are not that at all, Quite the opposite.

OK, sorry. I guess when i think "wayne" and "another forum" i think, "Waynes forum":rolleyes:

And yeah, monitors are much more advances than most people think. I know a guy who saw a little monitor in the pet store, bought it, and realized after that, this thing is freaking huge... luckily he sold it to a guy who knew what he was doing (hopefully)

[Mommy2many]

Anyone see this? It is right over the state line from me, about 20 mins away:

World's Deadliest Snake Suspected in Owner's Death - FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/06/16/bite-from-pet-snake-suspected-in-death-ny-woman/)

Bronx Zoo supposedly took the other 75 snakes.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I saw on the TV news last night. idiots.

[Mommy2many]

Ya think?:confused:

I can't even imagine why we would have these in our home. Like you said, Idiots.

[RedSidedSPR]

yup. Idiots.

Especially when they say black mambas are the most venemous :D

[guidofatherof5]

I just wanted to share this photo of 4 of my 5 children.
My middle child Molly was staying at her grandmother's house while we were out looking at the river.
This photo is take from the pedestrian bridge. My kids thought it was pretty cool to be in two stated at the same time.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/bridge.jpg

[drache]

nice photo of them too

[guidofatherof5]

What I meant to say was they thought it was pretty cool to be in two States at the same time.
Stupid typos.:D

[RedSidedSPR]

I was about to make a joke about that...

[guidofatherof5]

I was about to make a joke about that...

Glad I made the correction then:D

[RedSidedSPR]

yeah, it's probably good that you did :rolleyes:

[drache]

here's quote one of my neighbours posting about park laws
we do sometimes discuss laws that affect us here, and I love the way he put it:
"Some behaviors are so stupid it's hard to believe we actually have to make laws against them."

[snakehill]

Damn, I can't seem to tear myself away from this forurm!!!!!!!! I need sleep!!!!!!!!!!!!!;) Goodnight all!!!!!!

[ConcinusMan]

G'nite. But before you go...

Hahaha! Check this out! I made this: (sortof)

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8246/3fift11ip2.jpg

[snakehill]

Very cute! We will chat again tomorrow I hope!;)

[ConcinusMan]

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2217/m3j1ykrefp.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

You guys want to see something mildly amusing? I found an ad on craigslist... yeah, I know, a lot of good jokes start that way...

I took a screen shot of the relevant parts, and added annotation.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/406/unledoso.png

It had also occurred to me that they might be trying to rehome the dude wearing the blue shirt. LoL :p

[ConcinusMan]

Must be one heck of a picnic, is all I have to say...:rolleyes: They're gonna have balloon animals and everything!:p

http://cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/052011/sign-picnic-supplies-and-condoms.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Nice! Large Display Case/reptile tank (http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pet/2459630712.html)

[RedSidedSPR]

WOW that';s awesome!! Why can't it ever be Raleigh craigslist? :D

[ConcinusMan]

They're asking a lot, but then again, it's one awesome enclosure. Just in case someone reads this after the ad gets deleted:

6 ft long, 27" wide and 40" high. Asking $200. I don't know about the dimensions though. Looks more like 40 wide and 27 high. Either way, awesome. Great display tank with plenty of room. Would look great set up all naturalistic with a few huge concinnus girls in it huh?

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8786/63630826.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Yes it would!! I love that thing. I want something like that, but they're so darn expensive!!

[PINJOHN]

leaving very early Monday morning for my two week vacation in Turkey and i am not sure about pc access when i get there, so i am sending all my American friends early good wishes for your independence day celebrations i hope its your best one yet [apart from the original one of course] i hope one day to be across your side of the pond and help in the celebrations.
may all you Yanks have a truly great day

[snakehill]

THANKS! Hope you have a great vacation!!!:)

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks and be safe on your trip.
Looking forward to your return.

[indigoman]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment, hope you have a safe and enjoyable time!

[jitami]

That was very sweet. Thank you. Hope you have a wonderful vacation!

[mustang]

have a good vacation..sorry i havent posted much, i didnt get a job so my parents are working me

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks, have a good trip

[jitami]

Steve, just saw the pics of the kiddos on the bridge. They're getting so big and looking fabulous! Keep up the good work :)

[guidofatherof5]

Steve, just saw the pics of the kiddos on the bridge. They're getting so big and looking fabulous! Keep up the good work :)

Thanks. They are wonderful. I'm a very proud father.;)

[kibakiba]

I'll be reformatting my pc in a few minutes... Don't be surprised if I'm not around for a couple weeks, I have so much stuff I have to get back when I do. I'm sure you wont miss me too much. ;)

[ssssnakeluvr]

Must be one heck of a picnic, is all I have to say...:rolleyes: They're gonna have balloon animals and everything!:p

http://cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/052011/sign-picnic-supplies-and-condoms.jpg
jeez...I've been doing it all wrong! :cool:

[ssssnakeluvr]

that pic kinda reminds me of the deal I found at Walmart recently..... =)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/ssssnakeluvr/IMG_0995.jpg

[Mommy2many]

Too funny!

[drache]

thanks
I needed that

[Didymus20X6]

You know what's funny to me about that roll-back sign? It's that I occasionally go to Wal-Mart and see that they've raised the price on something, but they'll still have that roll-back sign up, claiming that they actually lowered it.

I went to buy a case of Cokes once. The day before, they were $5.99. They raised the price on them to $6.99, and had the nerve to put up a roll-back sign claiming, "Was $7.99". Come on, Wal-mart! You're not fooling anyone but yourself. (I went on a Coke boycott until the price came back down to $5.99).

[ConcinusMan]

You know what's funny to me about that roll-back sign? It's that I occasionally go to Wal-Mart and see that they've raised the price on something, but they'll still have that roll-back sign up, claiming that they actually lowered it.

I went to buy a case of Cokes once. The day before, they were $5.99. They raised the price on them to $6.99, and had the nerve to put up a roll-back sign claiming, "Was $7.99". Come on, Wal-mart! You're not fooling anyone but yourself. (I went on a Coke boycott until the price came back down to $5.99).

Last time I bought Coke (about a year ago) I paid $3.99 per 24pk. Still isn't much more than that. Sale price plus coupon, plus employee discount. There was even a few times I paid even less. Like nearly zero.

[RedSidedSPR]

I finally got a picture of their mouth open!!!!!!

It sucks, because i took it with my ipod (camera had to much delay, never would've worked.) but at least i have one. It's a good picture, just bad quality.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Roar.jpg

[snakehill]

Too cute!!!:)

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks, i still wish it was with my camera... it's so blurry

[RedSidedSPR]

Holycrapthisissofreakinawseome!! I want one!! Jeez, i'm skeptic of this even being real!!

kingsnake.com Classifieds: Red Tropical Racers: STUNNING: CB 11: $200 (http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=6&de=864022)

[snakehill]

They are GORGEOUS! But they eat frogs!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[RedSidedSPR]

So? :D You could get them to eat pinkies, I'm sure. If not, well... you'd just have to feed frogs :D

[Calift]

Gorgeous ... but the price is probably right since feeding could be a major pain.

[RedSidedSPR]

It would, unless you get them on pinkies, which i'm sure is possible.

[kibakiba]

Would it be rude to tell someone off for being a jerk, when it's their job to pick up people from medical appointments? I was in the waiting room of my therapist's office waiting for my driver and he was 30 minutes late. When he finally came and got me, he told me that I should have been waiting outside, where it was rainy and very windy. He also slammed the door on my leg. I didn't want to be rude, so I kept my mouth shut... But I feel like reporting him in case he were to do something like that to someone who's severely disabled... My mom thinks I'm overreacting, what do you guys think I should do?

[guidofatherof5]

If you don't complain, how will that make you feel?

[kibakiba]

Well there are two ways that can go... He could be having a bad day, and if I called and complained, it would make him lose his job and make his day worse... Or he's just an all-round jerk and is rude, and deserves to lose his job. That's why it's hard. He was nice to the other man we picked up in the wheelchair, but not to me.

[guidofatherof5]

You could always wait and see if he's rude to you again.
If he's not than maybe it was a bad day.
If he is rude again than complain.
If you wait, than write down the day and time of the first incident so it's fresh in your mind when you do call in.

[kibakiba]

Well, hopelink uses many different medical transportation services, so I could get him next week, or I could get someone I don't know. I do seem to get put with many of the same people, especially since my appointments are at the same time and day. I get different people when my appointments change. I do have his name and the vehicle number written down, along with my id code that they used, just in case.

[drache]

rude people suck

I just read this morning that the US 1st amendment protects the depiction of violence in all it's gory detail, but not the depiction of a naked breast
if whatever people look at does influence their behaviours, I'd rather have the teenagers rutting in the streets than chopping each other's limbs off and killing one another - but that's just me, and I should probably be dismembered to death for my loose morals

so are we surprised people are rude? I'd think many would be more polite if they were encouraged to charm the clothes off one another, rather than to do the worst they can for points

and yes - I've been told I'm peculiar, even by people who knew nothing about my reptiles

[RicMartin]

Rhea, you might be peculiar, and I'm peculiar enough, snakes aside, but the hypocritical love-hating-violence-worship that much of our society craves is DEFINITELY beyond peculiar, and quite over the line of pathological.
Returning to just rudeness: in today's economic reality, I'd think twice before having a jerk fired. Jerks can be supporting families who weren't rude to me, and I may be turning an angry person into a desperate one. I prefer jerks to criminals.

[kibakiba]

I also prefer jerks to criminals. I would rather my leg be slammed in the door and deal with it, than to cause someone to become desperate after being fired.

I didn't think about it at the time, but where he's from, I don't think women are respected, so perhaps since he moved here not too long ago (he had a hard time speaking English), maybe he just doesn't know any better. I've met a lot of drivers like that, and they don't understand it because they grew up in a culture where women were below men at all times. I personally don't like being disrespected, but it's something you have to deal with, I guess.

[Mommy2many]

Perhaps it was a bad day, or something quite terrible was going on in his life at the time. Again, maybe it's just rudeness. With rudeness, many of those people are that way frequently, so if you get him again you may have your answer. I would take the wait and see approach. We shouldn't be judged on one moment in time. If the behavior continues, report it.

[drache]

the perils of mating season
Turtle chaos: terrapins delay flights at JFK | World news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/30/turtle-chaos-delays-flights-jfk)

[kibakiba]

It's the airports fault for being put there ;)

[kibakiba]

Anyone have any home remedies for sun burns? I visited my mom in drug and alcohol treatment, and we sat in the sun for a few hours. I have a sunburn really bad on half of my face. I look half lobster and half albino... :D
I don't have any aloe, and I read that evening primrose oil works, and I have that as a supplement for "woman problems", but I'm not sure if I can just break open the supplement and put the oil on my face.

[guidofatherof5]

Cold compresses will help take the heat out.
Good luck with that.

[kibakiba]

I'll try a cold compress on it. I'm tempted to try the primrose oil since it's natural... Don't know if it's worth the risk.

[Mommy2many]

I can't remember if this was for sunburn or not, I think so: White vinegar. I remember using it in Cancun on my honeymoon. I smelled like a salad but it helped!

[katach]

I keep a small tub of vitamin E cream in the fridge. The cold feels good and the vit. E helps promote healing.

[guidofatherof5]

I stay out of the sun and wear a hat. Even though my red hair is now gone or brown I still burn easily.
I get out some to take in some vitamin D
Used to have a nice tan on my left arm. Cruiser tan we call it.:D

[kibakiba]

Haha, I stay indoors because of the agoraphobia, but as a part of the... I guess healing process, whatever you want to call it, I have to get outside, and since I was visiting my mom, I thought we'd be inside most of the time, but we weren't. We laid in the sun together and ate a sandwich and some candy. :D

I only have apple cider vinegar, and I know its good for the hair, not so sure about the skin. I used to use it as a bit of a conditioner, since I don't use shampoo or conditioner (sensitive to chemicals). I remember it burning my skin if I got it on it.

[guidofatherof5]

I just walked out and got my mail. Mostly junk mail and a few bills.
Then I came across this newspaper addressed to the T. radix Ranch.
Apparently they don't know what a T. radix is.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/newspaper.jpg

[snakehill]

I love it!!!!!!!!:D

[katach]

hilarious!

[RedSidedSPR]

Thats hilarious! What's it say!?

[guidofatherof5]

Don't know. I'm not into cattle:D

[ssssnakeluvr]

that's hilarious!!!!

[RedSidedSPR]

Don't know. I'm not into cattle:D

So what, they made up a bunch of bull?

[kibakiba]

It says "Mooo, moo moo, moooooooo" I think that translates to "I'm a cow, I don't know what I'm doing here... Help"

:D

[ssssnakeluvr]

check out this awesome deal I found at walmart recently =)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/ssssnakeluvr/IMG_0995.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Does anyone else here use an iPhone to access this site?

[guidofatherof5]

I use an I-touch once in awhile.

[RedSidedSPR]

Well, that's actually what I use. Not an iPhone...

[Didymus20X6]

You whippersnappers and your iPhones and your iPods and your iPads and your whatnots. Back in my day, we accessed the internet through a computer! AND WE LIKED IT! We also had to walk to school eight miles through the snow barefoot uphill both ways in 110F weather! AND WE LIKED IT!

[RedSidedSPR]

Well, when you rarely have access to a computer, it's kind of nice...

Buzzkill

:D

[guidofatherof5]

I remember riding my pet dinosaur to school and tying him up outside the cave.

[Stefan-A]

I remember riding my pet dinosaur to school and tying him up outside the cave.
Oh, I remember when they first came out with the whole cave concept. Before that, nothing but solid stone.

[guidofatherof5]

Oh, I remember when they first came out with the whole cave concept. Before that, nothing but solid stone.

Yeah, right pup.:D

[RedSidedSPR]

Does anyone else here use an iPhone to access this site?

I feel kind of stupid, I shouldnt have made a thread for this, should have done it here, and also cause I did it because I WAS going to ask about something involving this site and iPhones, but I think I figured out......:o

[kibakiba]

Frogger is constantly in his water dish... Should I mist his tank a bit more, or leave it alone? The care sheets I've seen don't say how humid it should be in there, and are for adults, so I don't know if he needs more humidity than an adult would.

[RedSidedSPR]

I think it's good to mist any frog... If he's in the water that either because that's what he does, or because he wants the moisture.... No idea.

Btw inlet the skink go. His eye was doing good, but he wouldn't eat.

[kibakiba]

Well, I mist him 2 times a day just because the humidity in my room is pretty low, and he has a natural substrate and it's planted, he has angelica sprouts in there, so they need moisture. I'm just not sure if it's enough for him since he's constantly in the water.

[RedSidedSPR]

You should probably keep it pretty moist... he's not a tree frog, so he's probably just doing his frog thing in the water... do you have a hydrometer (humidity guage)?

[guidofatherof5]

I got slammed at our local Bass Pro Shop the other day.
My youngest daughter Hailee and I stopped by to look at the fish and wander around.
Hailee asked if she could have a sample of fudge so we headed over to the vendor.
When we arrived the older(older than me) man asked what he could do for us.
I spoke up and said "this beautiful girl would like a sample of fudge" She told him what she wanted and received the sample with a smile.
Then, this guy looked at Hailee and said "Does Grandpa want a piece":mad:
Hailee broke out laughing, telling the the guy though her laughter "That's my Dad"
The guy looked at me and said "Well, good for you"
I left the store with my head down:D

[RedSidedSPR]

Nice...

[kibakiba]

Pacific chorus frogs are considered tree frogs. Pacific Tree Frog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Tree_Frog)

I don't have a hyrgometer, but I can tell if its drier or more humid. Besides, he's in a one gallon tank. I doubt I'd get an accurate reading since it would be pretty close to the soil. He has a ton of sticks to climb on, that take up all of the tank.

[drache]

I got slammed at our local Bass Pro Shop the other day.
My youngest daughter Hailee and I stopped by to look at the fish and wander around.
Hailee asked if she could have a sample of fudge so we headed over to the vendor.
When we arrived the older(older than me) man asked what he could do for us.
I spoke up and said "this beautiful girl would like a sample of fudge" She told him what she wanted and received the sample with a smile.
Then, this guy looked at Hailee and said "Does Grandpa want a piece":mad:
Hailee broke out laughing, telling the the guy though her laughter "That's my Dad"
The guy looked at me and said "Well, good for you"
I left the store with my head down:D
don't feel bad Steve
I get pegged not only as my daughter's grandma, but also as my husband's mom

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks Rhea.
I was much older than most when I got married and now am the age of many adults with grandkids
It also doesn't help that I've grown a beard which is full of white hair.

[RedSidedSPR]

don't feel bad Steve
I get pegged not only as my daughter's grandma, but also as my husband's mom

Niiiice.

[RedSidedSPR]

How do you pronounce "concinnus?"

[kibakiba]

The way I pronounce it is "con-sin-us".

[ConcinusMan]

Pronounce it as if it were spelled to be read as an English word. The "o" actually sounds like a short "U" More like "Kun-sin-us";)

I am told that is the most widely accepted pronunciation but there really is no wrong way to say it if the person you're speaking to knows what you're saying.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, I figured it was con-SIN-us, someone told me it was con-KIN-us... Whatever dude.

Thanks! (and no, i didn't know about the CUN part)

[ConcinusMan]

I looked it up in a Latin dictionary which I can't find at the moment. "Kuhn-sin-us" and it means "stylistically congruous; pretty/pleasing"

I imagine they named them that because they were pretty much all the same, and much prettier than the other species of garter found here. (northwestern garters)

They are a T. sirtalis and are very, very closely related to T. sirtalis pickeringii (Pugets). The two subspecies were only recently separated geographically by water during the last ice age meltdown but are still nearly identical genetically.

[kibakiba]

I think northwesterns are prettier.

[RedSidedSPR]

I like 'em both, but concinnus are my favorite (between the two)

That's cool about the name.... didn't know it meant anything. Explains your custom title. :rolleyes:

[ConcinusMan]

I think northwesterns are prettier.

Well you have to imagine it from the perspective of the naturalists that named them. Here they are surrounded by highly variable and sometimes very drab and ordinary (probably why they are called "ordinoides") looking northesterns then they come across a sirtalis which are much larger, mostly all look the same, and are quite strikingly beautiful. Much more impressive animals. In that regard they need a name that describes them as they are in contrast with the other garters around there. And so, "stylistically congruous" (all pretty much the same in color and pattern), unlike the northwesterns) and all quite pretty. And so, since these snakes conform to the sirtalis species, they just need a subspecies name to describe them. "Concinnus" fits the bill.

[RedSidedSPR]

I never even considered that they named them names like that. No idea they meant anything....do they all?

[kibakiba]

Well, I find beauty in the ordinary. Someone could give me a choice between a rainbow garter and a mud coloured garter, I'd take the muddy snake.

Besides, northwesterns are like a box of chocolates. And I love chocolate.

[guidofatherof5]

Well, I find beauty in the ordinary. Someone could give me a choice between a rainbow garter and a mud coloured garter, I'd take the muddy snake.

Besides, northwesterns are like a box of chocolates. And I love chocolate.

"Chantel says Northwesterns are like a box of chocolates.
You never know what you're gonna to get"(said in my best Forrest Gump voice):D

[RedSidedSPR]

Well, I find beauty in the ordinary. Someone could give me a choice between a rainbow garter and a mud coloured garter, I'd take the muddy snake.

Besides, northwesterns are like a box of chocolates. And I love chocolate.

Hey I get it. I just love the markings of concinnus. Im a fan if "dull" snakes too. But that doesn't mean they'll always be my favorite......

[kibakiba]

Yes, but my opinion is the only one that counts in this case, because I keep mostly northwesterns and I enjoy them. ;)

I do have 2 concinnus, and I love them. They're beautiful, but I'll always prefer my northwesterns.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yup. Just like I don't give a darn if somebody doesn't like my anery RS... shove it. :D

Northwesterns are cool. I really like those... Just not as much as concinnus :D

However I like a normal radix, better than a lot of flashy snakes. I prefer a (even a low-red) red sider to almost any flashy snake.

It just depends. I love the pattern and color of concinnus, which, to me, tops the look of a northwestern. But I like NW enough to completely understand why you love them, so....

[ConcinusMan]

I never even considered that they named them names like that. No idea they meant anything....do they all?

Not really. Some are descriptive such as Thamnophis sirtalis = "bush snake" and "concinnus" -stylistically congruous...

There are certain key physical characteristics that a garter snake must share with the original first described T. sirtalis (eastern garter) and it mainly deals with body proportions and scale counts. That's what makes a concinnus, SF garter, CA red sided, etc. a T. sirtalis. They comply with the physical characteristics. So there's only one name (the third name) to indicate which variety (subspecies) of T. sirtalis it is. Names like concinnus are descriptive. However, in the case of T.s. pickeringi, the third name takes after the person who first described them to science and his last name was "pickering". There are also places in the Puget sound named after the man.

Just saying not all Latin names are descriptive. Some names take after the person who first described them to science. If I'm not mistaken, "pickeringii" is Latin for "of, or belonging to Pickering (the man)"

So roughly translated, "T.s. pickeringii" basically means the same thing as the original common name for that snake - "Pickering's Garter Snake". Puget Sound garter is actually just an alternative, although more commonly used, common name.

[RedSidedSPR]

Gotcha. Cool... Never thought about why they were named what they were...

[Mommy2many]

Eastern's Rule! (sorry Steve):D

[guidofatherof5]

Eastern's Rule! (sorry Steve):D

Time will tell. Time will tell.:D

[d_virginiana]

Eastern's Rule! (sorry Steve):D

Agreed! lol I get a kick out of seeing my snake's lookalikes in the wild ;)

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, easterns rule. The east. Duh. :p

[drache]

looking at the distribution maps, it seems to me that easterns rule a heck of a lot more than just the east
the only other species with nearly that distribution would be radix
and when we're talking easterns, we're just talking about one sirtalis subspecies . . .

[ConcinusMan]

Divide the continent into vertically oriented halves. West and East. Now look at your range map again. Where does most of the eastern garters range lie now? In the eastern half of course. Radixes are in the middle portion of the country mainly. How does that come close to the eastern garter range. I don't see the distribution you're seeing. They don't call them plains garters for just the heck of it. Same goes for eastern garters.

[RedSidedSPR]

Why is my "quick reply" box gone?!?!

[guidofatherof5]

Do you still see the words "Quick Reply?

[RedSidedSPR]

No. It stops right under your post, the page numbers and Post Reply... and tage, and none... you get the idea.

[Mommy2many]

Try logging out and back in again.

[RedSidedSPR]

Do you still see the words "Quick Reply?

Wait, I do still see the words!!! Sorry, they're there now. Why?

And, yes I've tried logging off

[RedSidedSPR]

Ok now I feel dumb. I fixed it, the little arrows brought it back.. :rolleyes:

[BUSHSNAKE]

why did you delete what richard said Stefan?

[ConcinusMan]

Well, you know.:rolleyes: What did they used to do to people in the dark ages that started speaking of things that provoke thought and different thinking? They cut off their heads to shut them up.

[Mommy2many]

:)

[Stefan-A]

Well, you know.:rolleyes: What did they used to do to people in the dark ages that started speaking of things that provoke thought and different thinking? They cut off their heads to shut them up.
Cry me a river, Richard.

[ConcinusMan]

Will you settle for dry sniffle and shoulder shrug? I understand Stefan. Can't have the general public thinking for themselves or hearing any talk that provokes them to do so. That would spawn all kinds of talk that gets to the truth. Can't have that and I get it. Wouldn't want another post like this one below, so what I said had to be deleted since it was so much more ludicrous and immature. I understand totally.



Richard, Are you sure your formal name isn't Dickie minus the ie cuz it sure fits your personality better :) I guess you didn't know that that comment was a joke...everyone else got it but you...I'm decent at PR, Poor Richard first thing that comes to mind, lip service (read my lips, kiss my arse !), and marketing (I heard about your face book photo and how disturbing it was and decided to post it here for everyone to see). I would imagine there are probably 100,000,000 or more people on facebook, and of those how many are holding guns to their heads ?? Nothing personal.

Scott

[Stefan-A]

Will you settle for dry sniffle and shoulder shrug?
Sure. Whatever.


I understand Stefan.
No, you really don't.



Can't have the general public thinking for themselves or hearing any talk that provokes them to do so. That would spawn all kinds of talk that gets to the truth. Can't have that and I get it. Wouldn't want another post like this one below, so what I said had to be deleted since it was so much more ludicrous. I understand totally.
Yeah, you can stop pretending like you're being silenced for not repeating some official truth. Your posts are being deleted or moved, because you keep intentionally provoking other members and you're constantly going off topic. You really can cut the martyr crap. If I really wanted to silence you, or The Truth™, I'd just ban your arse.

[ConcinusMan]

Your posts are being deleted or moved, because you keep intentionally provoking other members

You got me there, but are you sure about what I am provoking them to do? Here's a hint: I'm not looking for a hostile response even though that is what they insist on doing.

[Stefan-A]

I'm not looking for a hostile response even though that is what they insist on doing.
Yes you are. You're not very good at hiding it, either.

[ConcinusMan]

It's just an unfortunate side effect. Shine the light of day on someone's bull, and they become hostile. Natural reaction I suppose. If I was trolling for amusement I would have come clean by now Stefan.

What I was really trying to do is to provoke people into coming back and defend their ideas about the subject matter instead of running off and/or changing the subject when their ideas are in danger of being debunked. That's the honest truth. And it's not about who's right and who's wrong, it's about getting closer to to the truth of the matter, and that is, what is anery, and what is melanistic disguised as anery. Every time the conversation starts to become meaningful, it falls apart because some people can't take the idea that they could be wrong. The only provoking I was doing was to provoke them to come back and attempt to explain why they think they might be right.

There's only one explanation why they don't do that. And that's because they're starting to be convinced that perhaps they are wrong.

[Mommy2many]

Most people would be likely to defend their ideas if they were "invited" back and not "provoked" back.

[Stefan-A]

If I was trolling for amusement I would have come clean by now Stefan.
Well if you say so. :D


What I was really trying to do is to provoke people into coming back and defend their ideas
You might want to try that line on someone who was born yesterday.

[ConcinusMan]

Most people would be likely to defend their ideas if they were "invited" back and not "provoked" back.


True, but if you go back and look at what transpired, you'll see that I tried that first. What happened is that the people who were closer to being convinced that they could be wrong, were the first ones to become hostile. I was only using what they gave me to use, to bring them back.



You might want to try that line on someone who was born yesterday.

Now you're just being silly.:rolleyes:

[Stefan-A]

What happened is that the people who were closer to being convinced that they could be wrong, were the first ones to become hostile.
"And there goes Scott. I guess he's dropped out and fell back on what he knows- PR, Lip service, and marketing. "

That's overt hostility right there.

[ConcinusMan]

More of a challenge really, that's why I said it wasn't personal. I didn't call anyone names. How was I supposed to know he react so poorly? Now his reaction was personal. I can't help it when people can't make that distinction.

I was really, truly, honestly, hoping that he would come back to defend his position on the subject and prove my statement to be wrong. His reaction is definitely not what I was hoping for. Sorry about that.

[drache]

oh man . . .
this used to be such a chill place to come hang out - friendly discussions, and helpfulness, and all that
now I come here and it's like drama queen central
I think I'm gonna do slot cars next Sunday - the whine of those little mosquito-like engines, the tiny little crashes - so soothing
Richard - I'm not going to say anything to you in public, because I see myself as a mature person, and I realize it could go terribly wrong unless I do a bunch of editing I'm not up for at this time

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I know. Rock the boat a little and everyone looks at you like you're trying to sink it. I get it.

And just for the record, it's very difficult to have a meaningful debate without some element of drama. It just can't be avoided. So you would prefer to not have any debate at all, just so you don't have to see any drama, and that would be sad.

You would prefer, "oh look at my snake" and "oh he's pretty" over any meaningful debate about deeper stuff. So you could just stick to those threads and stay out of the deeper ones if you wish.

[kibakiba]

I have to agree, Rhea. The forum just seems like a hostile, broken up war zone. I wish it was like when I joined. Everyone was helpful, no one was starting arguments, provoking people, etc. That's what kept me coming back. I check the forum a few times a day out of boredom, but the only thing that keeps me posting is my love for garters. I don't feel like posting just to have some nice conversation anymore. I just come here to share the little bit of knowledge that I have. Sometimes it feels like a job posting here. But, for the most part, I enjoy a lot of the people here.

[Stefan-A]

More of a challenge really, that's why I said it wasn't personal.
Saying "it wasn't personal" doesn't change the fact that it's hostile and a direct, unambiguous insult.


I didn't call anyone names. How was I supposed to know he react so poorly? Now his reaction was personal. I can't help it when people can't make that distinction.You don't have to call someone a name to be insulting and since you don't have the IQ of a shoe, you should know that.

Here's the thing. You can try to shift the blame or try to weasel your way out of it all you want, but the only thing that matters here, is whether you're setting off my BS alarm.


I was really, truly, honestly, hoping that he would come back to defend his position on the subject. His reaction is definitely not what I was hoping for. Sorry about that."Sorry" isn't going to cut it, you're actually going to have to make an improvement, because the hammer's going to fall without warning next time.

[RedSidedSPR]

"Sorry" isn't going to cut it, you're actually going to have to make an improvement, because the hammer's going to fall without warning next time.

whoa whoa... that's a little over the edge if you mean what i think you mean.

[BUSHSNAKE]

i found it! the drama is right here

[kibakiba]

Not really. Richard HAS had a lot of warnings.

[RedSidedSPR]

It's almost like he can't help it. I'm not a huge fan of when he does this, but i'd hate to see him banned or whatever

[kibakiba]

He can help it. There isn't anything wrong with him.

[RedSidedSPR]

still...

[kibakiba]

He's had more than enough warnings and more than enough time to at least try to change things. He's an adult and needs to act like it. You can't stay 5 years old forever... Unless you have a serious mental disability that causes that. I have problems, but I at least TRY to manage them while I'm on here, because otherwise I'd probably make myself look like a really stupid person. It is hard to do sometimes, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

[drache]

He can help it. There isn't anything wrong with him.
we don't know that - maybe he needs his meds adjusted
Richard - are you medicated?

[RedSidedSPR]

True, but he's being Richard, and imo it's not THAT bad.... not bad enough to get banned

[Stefan-A]

we don't know that - maybe he needs his meds adjusted
Richard - are you medicated?
Come on, please don't do that.

[kibakiba]

He's hitting the bee hive with a stick and riling everyone up, constantly and continuously. There needs to be some punishment for misbehaving, we can't have people thinking it's okay to do it, and think that Richard is getting some sort of special treatment.

[PINJOHN]

I got slammed at our local Bass Pro Shop the other day.
My youngest daughter Hailee and I stopped by to look at the fish and wander around.
Hailee asked if she could have a sample of fudge so we headed over to the vendor.
When we arrived the older(older than me) man asked what he could do for us.
I spoke up and said "this beautiful girl would like a sample of fudge" She told him what she wanted and received the sample with a smile.
Then, this guy looked at Hailee and said "Does Grandpa want a piece":mad:
Hailee broke out laughing, telling the the guy though her laughter "That's my Dad"
The guy looked at me and said "Well, good for you"
I left the store with my head down:D

this brought a smile to my face steve i am in somewhat of a similar situation, my eldest is forty two my youngest is not yet seventeen and my eldest granddaughter is nearly four years older than my youngest daughter :rolleyes:

[RedSidedSPR]

Look, I just don't think it's worth banning.

[drache]

Come on, please don't do that.
I apologize - that was pretty awful

[ConcinusMan]

I see. So from now on I'll be held responsible when people react poorly to anything I say. Because if you'll notice, they do it without provocation as much as they do, with it. It's just a matter of time then before it happens again. Just look at what happened the other day with kibakiba and Redsided. I have no idea what I said that set them off. Next time it happens, I'll be banned for their misunderstanding. Does that pretty much sum it up?


Saying "it wasn't personal" doesn't change the fact that it's hostile and a direct, unambiguous insult.

And that is where the problem lies. If comes from me, then I must have surely meant it to be an insult because that's what everyone is expecting from me so that's all they will be looking for. That's all they ever look for from me and so they often take things I say to be insulting even when that wasn't my intention. There was actually complement in that statement which was intended but you'll probably go ahead and call BS anyway.


Saying "it wasn't personal" doesn't change the fact that it's hostile and a direct, unambiguous insult.

Then what is this? A compliment?


He's an adult and needs to act like it. You can't stay 5 years old forever... Unless you have a serious mental disability that causes that.

It will happen again, someone will take something I say, completely wrong, and before I have a chance to explain, I'll be banned. That seems reasonable.

It boils down to a popularity contest now and since I'm not very popular with some of you, I've already lost. I don't have to do anything wrong now. It's just a matter of time.


Look, I just don't think it's worth banning.

It's just easier then censoring me and deleting my posts just because people don't agree with it or think it's hostile or insulting to their egos.

[kibakiba]

I think you'd have a chance to explain a misunderstanding, but if you play with fire, you're going to be burned, if you play with the bee hive, you're going to get stung.

[Stefan-A]

I see. So from now on I'll be held responsible when people react poorly to anything I say.
Yeah. If someone misunderstands you, you're going to have to try to clear up that misunderstanding.

Just like in real life.

[ConcinusMan]

Now c'mon Chantel, what does that even mean? Did you completely forget what happened the other day? You got pretty upset with me but it was a misunderstanding.

[kibakiba]

We talked about it in a PM. I believe I had the right to be upset, considering the circumstances.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah. If someone misunderstands you, you're going to have to try to clear up that misunderstanding.

Just like in real life.

I tried that. Your "BS alarm went off". I was honest with you. Now look how everyone got all upset. It boils down to one statement which set Scott off and then everyone else and I told you why I made that statement but you didn't accept my reason. Was it really all that bad? Did it really warrant all of this drama? I can't say anything that's even slightly provocative even if I'm not trying to provoke drama and hostility. I'm the guy that everyone likes to say "oh no, he didn't just say that. Let's get upset about it" to. Like said, nobody seems to like a person who makes them see things in themselves, that they do not like.


We talked about it in a PM. I believe I had the right to be upset, considering the circumstances.

Everyone has a right to feel whatever it is they feel but had you understood my statements as they were intended, you wouldn't have been upset in the first place.

This is really all your fault Joe. You started it. How dare you challenge people's ideas.:rolleyes: Let's ban Joe. Get it? "Banjo"

[kibakiba]

You know the exact reason why I didn't understand, so why bring that up?