Its oh so quiet Shh Shh [Archive] - Page 32

kibakiba

03-29-2011, 04:28 PM

I never said it was adult rated if you thought that was what I meant. I'm sure most adults have that anyways, its their business. But, My dad had a huge collection of gutted fish, his leg, which is mostly missing because of a motorcycle/car accident... And it was infected, no one wants to see his infected... purple, red and yellow-green leg. That's why I said I might be immature about it. I'm not immature about those "adult" things. :rolleyes:

ConcinusMan

03-29-2011, 04:36 PM

I was going to say "oh, you mean something like this?" and post a pic but perhaps I shouldn't. That pic I was going to post is purple, red, yellow, green, AND a few other colors, not to mention actively spewing. I don't think you could handle it. It's definitely "rotton.com" type content.

kibakiba

03-29-2011, 04:37 PM

Nope. Don't show me. Even a slight hint of blood or pus makes me dizzy and sick.

guidofatherof5

03-29-2011, 05:26 PM

ConcinusMan

03-29-2011, 06:20 PM

Chopping worms or pinkies must be quite the ordeal for you then, huh Chantel?

kibakiba

03-29-2011, 07:09 PM

I'm used to worms, unless the blood gets on me and I gag a lot when cutting pinkies... But if it's for my snakes.. I'll just have to go through with it.

infernalis

03-29-2011, 11:41 PM

I'm used to worms, unless the blood gets on me and I gag a lot when cutting pinkies... But if it's for my snakes.. I'll just have to go through with it.

Easy solution, Pinkies right out of the freezer are the consistency of hard ice cream, I chop mine up frozen, don't even get my hands dirty.

the small pieces thaw faster too. so it's a win/win.....

ConcinusMan

03-30-2011, 12:32 AM

Easy solution, Pinkies right out of the freezer are the consistency of hard ice cream, I chop mine up frozen, don't even get my hands dirty.

the small pieces thaw faster too. so it's a win/win.....

Yeah, that it is by far the best way to go. I do that too. However, there are certain parts that do not retain their cohesiveness once they thaw and so some of your chunks end up being just a section of skin, and a blob of near-liquid.

No matter how you do it, the cut sections must be thawed so you still end up with a "river of blood" or at least a puddle. I don't mind, I just soak it up with "biscuits" of tilapia and feed them that too.:D

Mmmm.. Mmmm... good stuff. Biscuits of raw fish soaked in rodent blood. Garter snake delight. Yum!:p

kibakiba

03-30-2011, 03:48 AM

Yeah, that's what I do... But I have xs pinkies, and they thaw almost immediately as i cut them. The brains and guts also get pushed out, which makes me sick. Once I cut the head off one and went to cut that into pieces and a brain like.. substance started coming out of the nose as I pressed the knife on the head... That was sick.

Stefan-A

03-30-2011, 05:35 AM

Thaw them, cut them with sharp scissors.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/snakesies08/cleancut1.jpg

ConcinusMan

03-30-2011, 09:46 AM

drache

03-30-2011, 09:53 AM

I'd heard about this 2 or 3 three days ago; I guess it's official now
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/opinion/30wed4.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211
once it gets warm, locking the building won't do any good
that may be a good time to visit the zoo for a real adventure
I'm sure they have antivenin and a decent insurance policy

guidofatherof5

03-30-2011, 10:18 AM

I saw on the news last night that someone started a facebook page for the snake.:D

kibakiba

03-30-2011, 04:29 PM

Stefan, I use a sharp knife and all of my snakes, including the 2-3 inch, smaller than an eraser babies. Scissors wouldn't work for what I have to do. Trust me, I've tried.

Mommy2many

03-31-2011, 04:34 PM

I saw on the news last night that someone started a facebook page for the snake.:D

I read this post before my middle school run this morning. I had kids on the bus complaining that they want a facebook page and I couldn't help but laugh to myself that even the snake in NY has a facebook page now!:D

drache

03-31-2011, 04:42 PM

I don't have a facebook page and the snake did not consent to have one either

guidofatherof5

03-31-2011, 05:32 PM

Bronx Zoo Cobra | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bronx-Zoo-Cobra/109876239094309?sk=wall)

ConcinusMan

03-31-2011, 06:57 PM

Cobra has been found.

PINJOHN

04-01-2011, 02:40 AM

Cobra has been found.

bang goes a likely situation for a rhyme:D

andycul

04-01-2011, 04:57 AM

BBC News - Bronx Zoo's missing cobra 'speaks out' on Twitter (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12902930)

This was where I heard about that cobra. Had a chuckle at the tweets that someone has been doing for it :D

ConcinusMan

04-01-2011, 08:45 AM

I heard about it on the 5 o' clock local news station. (TV)

mustang

04-01-2011, 10:37 AM

in spanish we had to make a park (like conservation of asnimals type of park) and i put a "egytian cobra petting zoo in it :)

RedSidedSPR

04-01-2011, 12:37 PM

I heard about it on the 5 o' clock local news station. (TV)
I saw it on Yahoo!:D Best homepage ever.

RedSidedSPR

04-01-2011, 12:37 PM

I saw it on Yahoo!:D

drache

04-01-2011, 07:14 PM

well, you can participate in naming it:
Bronx Zoo: Cobra Naming: (http://e.wcs.org/site/PageNavigator/Name_that_sssssnake.html)

guidofatherof5

04-01-2011, 07:20 PM

I made my suggestion.
Cool Hand Luke

ConcinusMan

04-03-2011, 08:44 PM

I would like some babies from Ugly x Fugly.

Well then, that can be arranged. I mean, look at these two "stunners". You can have their offspring. I only want $250 each.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/9316/dsc00123large.jpg

Of course, I'm only kidding.:pThese two lovers are wild snakes photographed in situ and left alone. Only after I got home and looked at the photo did I notice the nice fungus growing there. I think it's prettier than the snakes.:rolleyes:

kibakiba

04-03-2011, 09:45 PM

That fungus is fugly, those snakes are smokin' hot.

Stefan-A

04-04-2011, 02:57 AM

Only after I got home and looked at the photo did I notice the nice fungus growing there. I think it's prettier than the snakes.:rolleyes:
Trumpet lichen. Cladonia sp. The snakes are prettier and both the snakes and the lichens are prettier than those fugly T. s. concinnus you're so fond of.

ConcinusMan

04-04-2011, 10:39 AM

I know better. I forgive you for saying that. You can't help it. We all know there's something wrong with your visual cortex. It probably froze from spending winters in Finland.:p The fungus is pretty cool though. We get all kinds of weird fungi growing around here and why shouldn't we, it rains 9 months out of the year, and has rained 32 out of the past 35 days or something like that but at least we can't store frozen meat long term outdoors like you can. I photographed some other fungi and I'll post that in the nature photography thread.

had no idea, i thought flames were man created ,another demonstration of what a great and informative site this is. no more mention of flames i promise

There really isn't much that we can take credit for "creating" actually. All we do is artificially select and work with what was already there to begin with. Combo morphs are about the only thing "man made" and even then, they are just the result of combining two morphs that already existed in nature.

Now if you're talking about erythristic or albino flames, then those are the result of taking a red or albino eastern and combining it with a flame. Both of those already exist in the wild but probably wouldn't have been combined without our help. Again, those are combo morphs. All the base morphs you see, even with ball pythons and corn snakes, came straight out of the wild.

Stefan-A

04-04-2011, 10:50 AM

The fungus
Lichen.

fungi
Lichens.

other fungi
Lichens?

ConcinusMan

04-04-2011, 10:52 AM

Whatever, it's all mold to me. If I didn't shower regularly I'd have it growing out of the crack of my...

from living in this climate.

Stefan-A

04-04-2011, 10:57 AM

Whatever, it's all mold to me.
Not mold. Lichen.

ConcinusMan

04-04-2011, 11:08 AM

Yeah, mushrooms, that's what I said.:p Wait until the ghost plants come up. Those things are freaky. They are plants with no chlorophyll. A plant that does not photosynthesize.

Stefan-A

04-04-2011, 11:09 AM

Lichens.

ConcinusMan

04-05-2011, 05:50 PM

http://i54.tinypic.com/2jdfmmv.jpg

...Literally.

Stefan-A

04-10-2011, 01:33 PM

Random question: How the hell do you tell Aaron Eckhart and Thomas Jane apart?

ConcinusMan

04-10-2011, 01:38 PM

Never heard of 'em so I did look it up. Still don't look familiar at all but they do look similar don't they?

Stefan-A

04-10-2011, 01:47 PM

Two actors.

Anyway, I think I've found a way to tell them apart. Jane has a full crack of a chin butt and Eckhart just has the hole.

ConcinusMan

04-10-2011, 01:51 PM

So the two together make a full complete "azz" ? Anyway, is there any particular reason you even care about this?

I did see they are actors but I've never heard of them or seen them in anything that I can recall.

Stefan-A

04-10-2011, 01:55 PM

Anyway, is there any particular reason you even care about this?
Yeah, I'm watching a movie with one of them as I type this and both of them have been in movies I like.

ConcinusMan

04-10-2011, 02:10 PM

I figured it was something like that.

drache

04-11-2011, 03:52 AM

they just look the same they way that all American actors (and models) in the "attractive" spectrum do - managing to fit into the mold Ken and Barbie came from

Stefan-A

04-11-2011, 04:27 AM

they just look the same they way that all American actors (and models) in the "attractive" spectrum do - managing to fit into the mold Ken and Barbie came from
Yeah, but that's just because all actors across the globe aim for Hollywood, which, like everyone else, chooses the prettier one when two comparable people (meaning that one of them isn't a sub-par actor) compete. Pretty people bring in more money, that's just how it goes, and the American movie industry has more actors to choose from.

Character actors are a completely different story. That's where you find interesting faces and body types. ;)

infernalis

04-11-2011, 11:43 AM

Pretty people bring in more money, that's just how it goes, and the American movie industry has more actors to choose from.

Character actors are a completely different story. That's where you find interesting faces and body types. ;)

Pretty people make more money is undeniable.. That just forces the less than beautiful to work harder and become better at their craft.

Not that it matters much, but I usually find the odd folks more entertaining.

Just look at how much of an idiot Charlie Sheen's looks turned him into.

mustang

04-11-2011, 12:12 PM

New episodes of sanctuary start to come on this friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kibakiba

04-11-2011, 04:50 PM

I pulled a stupid.

I made a soap with a scent of mine that I liked, not checking to see if it was body safe and used it today, on my face. It burnt pieces of my skin around my nose and mouth off. I also have bits of my legs starting to burn. I don't think I've ever been so stupid about the scents I use on my personal soaps... When I make them for other people I check it and check it again to make sure its body safe. I have to go out tomorrow too. Haha, punishment for my stupid.

guidofatherof5

04-11-2011, 05:01 PM

Hope you heal up soon.;)

kibakiba

04-11-2011, 05:16 PM

It's already getting a bit better. I put Vick's on it to help cool it down. The redness and some of the pain is gone but you can see where the skin got burnt. Instead of healing, I just hope I smarten up so I won't do it again. :rolleyes:

ConcinusMan

04-12-2011, 12:27 AM

Well the misery just seems like it's never going to end. After a solid month of cold rain we had one nice day that felt like spring. That was April 1st. It's been raining pretty much every day since. Today was 51 degrees, and of course, raining. Surprise, surprise. Now we're heading for a freeze tonight. (second time this week). A couple of days ago, we had accumulating (up to 5 inches in some places) dime-sized hail and heavy snow along with our thunderstorms.

I just can't believe we are still facing this crap and I have to bring plants in so they don't freeze. It's supposed to be well into spring for cryin' out loud, but if feels like December.:mad:

Look, I'm not talking about a week or two of bad weather here, this has been going on since early February without a break other than that one day. Maybe 3 dry days since Feb 1st perhaps. That's it. And it's still cold in the middle of April. Headed for a morning low of 30 degrees.:eek: Jeez!

drache

04-12-2011, 05:36 AM

anybody seen news from Iowa? They've got quite a bit of weather over there.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/us/12tornado.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23
I hope Steve and the T radix ranch are okay.
I know he's not near Mapleton, but that was just the largest of 27 tornados

Steve - glad to see you're here - was worried earlier

guidofatherof5

04-12-2011, 05:50 AM

Thanks for your concern.
We got nothing in our direct area. Not even any rain.
I'm glad our neigbors in Mapleton survived.
July 15th, 1988 I remember the tornado in my backyard. A lot of damage done that day.

Mommy2many

04-12-2011, 05:48 PM

We don't normally get "Tornados" here but back in, maybe June 2000, we got what they called a "down draft". It came straight across my front yard, took down my 30' or so pine tree and kept on going. My husband had left for a golf trip that day and I had just gotten home with 3 of my kids at the time. Never knew the tree was down until it was over. If it had come from the North a little bit, the tree would have landed on my living room and/or bedrooms where we all were. My first clue was the fact that the wind started up and was goinf sideways past my back windows. That and it looked kinda green. Very strange.

PINJOHN

04-13-2011, 04:16 AM

[QUOTE=infernalis;156930]Pretty people make more money is undeniable.. That just forces the less than beautiful to work harder and become better at their craft.

reading your comment about actors and THEIR CRAFT brought a smile to my face,
like most people i have watched the award shows where these overpaid self adoring people keep making reference's to "their craft" give me a break what they do is what we all did as children, its play acting nothing more nothing less, some do it a little better than others but it's still play acting. what a shower of pretentious, obnoxious, attention seeking, repellent, odious individuals they really are.
wait a minute my heart rate is falling my pupils are becoming less dilated the veins in my neck and face are shrinking and becoming less obvious and my breathing has become normal again, pheeww sorry about that rant everyone, but whatever you do please never mention bankers to me :eek:

infernalis

04-13-2011, 09:46 AM

To be honest, I prefer British over Hollywood any day. And my favourites do a really good job of making me smile... and one cannot call the likes of Rowan Atkinson, Tim McInnerny, Hugh Laurie, Robert Webb, David Mitchell, etc.. "Hollywood eye candy"

They work hard to keep the audience watching.

ConcinusMan

04-16-2011, 02:08 PM

One very nice thing about all the rain we've been having... The ground is so saturated, the worms can't stay below the surface because they will drown. Scored these worms this morning very easily. All I had to do was stir up some leaf piles to find these worms hiding underneath. All my snakes are so stuffed with worms now, and I still got enough to stuff them all about 5 more times. Got quite a few earthworms and also a couple dozen gigantic night crawlers.:D Free snake food, courtesy of mother nature.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5453/worms002large.jpg

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2759/worms006large.jpg

Snakes look very satisfied right about now.

kibakiba

04-16-2011, 03:09 PM

It's cloudy here, but dry as a bone... That has been dried... Bones aren't dry. :(

My worms are starting to breed, I found some babies in my containers. Their about as thick as a pinhead and half an inch long. Does that count? :D

ConcinusMan

04-16-2011, 11:21 PM

My worms are starting to breed, I found some babies in my containers. Their about as thick as a pinhead and half an inch long. Does that count? :D

For the answer to that question you must ask yourself...

Do 2.5 inch baby snakes count?:cool:

kibakiba

04-17-2011, 08:21 AM

Babies!!!! :D

ConcinusMan

04-18-2011, 02:17 PM

New species of frog discovered in a Florida Orange grove.:p

http://randomweirdness.com/media/2008/01/plantimal_orangefrog.jpg

BLUESIRTALIS

04-18-2011, 02:28 PM

Looks tasty!!!

PINJOHN

04-18-2011, 02:32 PM

New species of frog discovered in a Florida Orange grove.:p

http://randomweirdness.com/media/2008/01/plantimal_orangefrog.jpg

doesn't apeal to me:D

ConcinusMan

04-18-2011, 03:10 PM

What are you talking about. Just look at some of my snakes. Orange has grate a peel. After all that's how you make marmalade. Everybody loves marmalade.

kibakiba

04-18-2011, 03:32 PM

I hate marmalade.

PINJOHN

04-18-2011, 03:44 PM

I hate marmalade.

you mean marmalade does not apeal to you :D

kibakiba

04-18-2011, 05:13 PM

Suuuuuure. It's gross. Gross like the rotten-fishy stench that wreaks off Snaps backside.

Mommy2many

04-18-2011, 05:15 PM

Chantel, I think you're getting a bit too close to your snakes:D

infernalis

04-18-2011, 05:30 PM

doesn't apeal to me:D

Don't you mean apeel??:rolleyes:

infernalis

04-18-2011, 05:30 PM

Since a major storm front ripped up about 1/3 of the continental US, anyone else here get any serious damage from it??
The power went out for some time, shutting down my sump pumps, Thankfully I have a gasoline powered pump, we got it hooked up in time to spare the basement any real flooding.

Luckily, my house only got some minor damage..

http://www.thamnophis.us/storm/damage1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/storm/damage2.jpg

My poor barn however got demolished by the insane winds... It's going to be strange not having the barn anymore, it's 100+ years old.

Going to try and salvage some of the wood. everything in there was ruined. Thankfully no animals in there to lose.

http://www.thamnophis.us/storm/damage3.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/storm/damage4.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/storm/damage5.jpg

Not even sure how to safely tear it down now :confused: looks far too dangerous to go in and try to recover anything, yet alone take what's left apart.

guidofatherof5

04-18-2011, 05:35 PM

Glad you are all safe.

kibakiba

04-19-2011, 03:37 AM

Chantel, I think you're getting a bit too close to your snakes:D

Maybe. Or perhaps it's the fact that you could smell Snap from a mile away. They do like being up around my face... So it's easy to tell that they smell like :p

Mama smells like tortilla chips almost all the time.

drache

04-19-2011, 04:34 AM

wow Wayne
sorry about your barn
it looks like part of it is stone - something like a chimney even?
that is not going to dismantle easily

infernalis

04-19-2011, 11:41 PM

Yes, it's a chimney, we used to have a wood stove in there when I was young.

we worked on our cars and stuff in there.

I will pull the chimney over with a chain and tractor, then just clean up the broken cinder blocks.

mustang

04-20-2011, 09:32 AM

sorry bout the barn....Youshould leave it there...great snake habitiat :)...put a little picket sign up with a picture of the barn before the storm and some facts bout it....may become a land mark if its old old :)....a land mark in san antonio was torn down (it was affiliated to my family) my grandmother fought in court and we got to keep the land mark sign...looks like a tin disk ...its a cool privilage to have:)

infernalis

04-20-2011, 11:12 AM

I'm up to my neck in building a far more suitable habitat already ;)

Salvage what I can, and enjoy the unobstructed view of the meadow would be more to my liking.

Was also thinking of using the underground 200 amp service cable to power a few RV hookups for my park. The electric cable was only buried about 10 years ago, and it's all connected, so that idea makes sense too.

RedSidedSPR

04-20-2011, 11:58 AM

My yard, which got hit Saturday by the NC tornado. Read my thread), has over 200 trees down. The barn was crushed, as were a lot of other things.. To put it simply, we no longer live in the woods:D The only good thing that can come of this is: IT IS NOW A SNAKE HAVEN! Lots of siding, plywood and stuff from the neighborhood behind us is in our yard. Makes good hiding places. And horizontal trees our better snake homes than vertical ones.

BLUESIRTALIS

04-20-2011, 12:22 PM

Waiting on the invite for some good herping.

RicMartin

04-20-2011, 04:09 PM

Sorry about the barn, but glad you & yours are safe.

mustang

04-22-2011, 11:17 AM

hognose?
http://www.sbs.utexas.edu/halldw/Bio455L/Files/Lifelist/RepAmp/Larger/Heterodon_platirhinos3L.jpg

Stefan-A

04-22-2011, 11:19 AM

Looks like it.

BLUESIRTALIS

04-22-2011, 11:35 AM

hognose?
http://www.sbs.utexas.edu/halldw/Bio455L/Files/Lifelist/RepAmp/Larger/Heterodon_platirhinos3L.jpg
Nice one too!!!

RedSidedSPR

04-22-2011, 12:30 PM

Definitely a hognose. I'd like to keep some of them. They're awesome. Is that a fish he's eating? I didn't know they ate fish...

BLUESIRTALIS

04-22-2011, 12:46 PM

Looks to me like it could be a tadpole.

PINJOHN

04-22-2011, 01:40 PM

looke more like a bullfrog tadpole to me, with a hognose sneaking up on him:eek:

RedSidedSPR

04-23-2011, 09:35 AM

Pretty big tadpole. If that's a bullfrog tadpole, I just figured out what is swimming in our creek.

infernalis

04-23-2011, 02:27 PM

Stefan has a pic of an even bigger one...

I took this out back. BTW I have big hands. size XL gloves fit nice and snug.

http://www.thamnophis.us/wogs/tad.jpg

mustang

04-23-2011, 05:31 PM

yay!!! then im gettn better at this self challenge game (google snakes and see how many you can guess right)

infernalis

04-23-2011, 08:07 PM

However you chose to educate yourself, it's all good.

Just don't believe everything that turns up on the internet. ;)

mustang

04-24-2011, 08:44 AM

However you chose to educate yourself, it's all good.

Just don't believe everything that turns up on the internet. ;)
at the zoo trip when my group was in the reptile room i was in a rush looking around looking to get pics of snakes for the project. well i saw a pretty one got side tracked and walked away....i forgot to write down its name so i went back to the cage, looked at it (and not the name label) and just said "oh hognose viper"...i turned to look at the name tag and i was right. I couldnt help myself....i went to pretty much every cage as if playing a mental game of "the price is right" giving suggested current prices for various animals:rolleyes:... as to how i did on the price guessing....well lets just say if bob barker was there i believe i would've won a new car!:D

mustang

04-24-2011, 03:05 PM

BEST EASTER EVVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! found a blind snake, worm snake AND a big ground skink at my uncles!!!!!!

Stefan-A

04-24-2011, 03:31 PM

BEST EASTER EVVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! found a blind snake, worm snake AND a big ground skink at my uncles!!!!!!
3.

mustang

04-24-2011, 05:40 PM

3.
sorry im a little...no REEAALLLYYYY excited!!!!! i had better luck herping today in my aunt and uncles front yard than i have in the past 2 or 3 years! two different species on the same day!!!!!!

mustang

04-24-2011, 05:58 PM

Wait it wasnt a worm snake!!!it was a tantilla!!!!!!!!!!! A smiths black head!!!!!!!!!

ConcinusMan

04-25-2011, 08:17 PM

Stefan has a pic of an even bigger one...

I took this out back. BTW I have big hands. size XL gloves fit nice and snug.

http://www.thamnophis.us/wogs/tad.jpg

If that is a bullfrog tadpole,(it does look like one) then that's not even a big one. Come back and show us a pic of one with it's head filling the palm of your hand and the tail tip nearly at the end if your fingers. 7 or 8 inches snout to tail tip is about how big they get here in deep cool, well-oxygenated, muddy bottom creeks.

Seriously. Put one of those in a 5 or 10 gallon tank, keep the water cool and well oxygenated. It will get huge, and two or three years old before it even spouts legs.

infernalis

04-26-2011, 01:30 AM

ConcinusMan

04-26-2011, 10:56 AM

I would have to assume that the only tadpoles I find here in November would be bullfrog tads, every other "lesser" species has legs and left the pools by then.

these things go down in the mud and come back in the spring to devour all the smaller tadpoles.

also if you look it up, they vary in size depending on the conditions of the pools and food supply.

Want to see a garter snake go crazy over food?, put one of these in front of it.

I've never known the tadpoles to be carnivorous even if you overcrowd and starve them. In fact, their mouth parts indicate that they are not. They forage on algae and detritus and so they do well on goldfish flake food, taking it off the bottom. Yes, they do vary in size. In warm oxygen poor water with limited food, they will transform while still rather small, just months after hatching. Where there is sufficient water depth and muddy bottom to survive the winter, and where there is plenty of food and oxygen, they get much bigger and delay transformation until they are 2-3 years old.

They are definitely a favorite food for garters but so are the young frogs.

ConcinusMan

04-26-2011, 01:35 PM

What's the difference between an ex-convict and congressman?

ANSWER: Every now and then, ex-con's pass a few good bills.

infernalis

04-26-2011, 02:59 PM

I've never known the tadpoles to be carnivorous even if you overcrowd and starve them. .

Sapiens nihil affirmat quod non probat

http://www.reptard.info/pic/deadTad2.jpg

http://www.reptard.info/pic/deadTad.jpg

RedSidedSPR

04-26-2011, 03:08 PM

... scary ....

ConcinusMan

04-26-2011, 03:16 PM

I might point out that the tadpole is dead and decomposing.

RedSidedSPR

04-26-2011, 03:22 PM

Isn't it a fish? Or is it another tadpole from that same bunch a taddies? I seriously didn't think they were carnivorous.

ConcinusMan

04-26-2011, 03:28 PM

That is the dead body of another tadpole. They're not carnivorous. As I pointed out, they will eat detritus. I could swear I see a salamander larvae right below that body. Now those are carnivorous. They will prey on each other, and anything else in the water. Once something dies, the body begins to decompose, then yes, tadpoles will eat the particles coming from the decomposing body. They do not take bites out of it and they do not eat living tissue. They are merely feeding on cells being shed from the carcass. Detritus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detritus)

Dust mites feed on dead skin and hair shed by living or dead animals. Does that make them carnivorous? No.:cool: Tadpoles didn't kill that tadpole and they are only eating cells shed during the decomposition process.

RedSidedSPR

04-26-2011, 04:16 PM

Gotcha. Thanks. That's what I thought when I saw it. I did, however, think that they were actually eating that tadpole. Thanks for clearing that up. (I still think it looks like a fish)

Stefan-A

04-26-2011, 05:33 PM

They do not take bites out of it
Yes they do.

infernalis

04-26-2011, 09:31 PM

Carnivorous is by definition a consumer of meat, no rule states that it must be alive.

A prime steak from the butcher is aged to beak down the fibers, does that make me a vegetarian when I eat it?

Bull frogs and their tadpoles are carnivorous.

When a baby garter slithers into a pool to eat tadpoles, if an adult bullfrog sees it, guess what, wham! baby garter is now bullfrog poop... Carnivorous.

ConcinusMan

04-26-2011, 10:45 PM

Nevermind. It's like talking to walls.

drache

04-27-2011, 05:05 AM

Richard, I think you're saying they're not cannibals

btw
here's a link to a video on exotic animal rescue that has me and Mikhaila in it for a few moments - mostly it's Sean and Mike - and a few critters
Pets and the city » Scienceline (http://scienceline.org/2011/04/pets-and-the-city/)

guidofatherof5

04-27-2011, 06:02 AM

Very nice, Rhea.
Thanks for posting.
Good to see you Mikhaila.;)

RedSidedSPR

04-27-2011, 07:39 AM

Nevermind. It's like talking to walls.

Freakin' brick walls. Shame too, cause now I don't know who to believe. I was on your side, Richard.:D

Nice video, Rhea. Enjoyed it.

ConcinusMan

04-27-2011, 09:03 AM

If you really want to make a decision as to what you should do just ask yourself if you would be comfortable living in a closet.

Richard, I think you're saying they're not cannibals

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they don't eat meat period. It's only when that flesh becomes detritus will they eat it. Doesn't really matter if it's their own kind or not.

RedSidedSPR

04-27-2011, 09:20 AM

Totally believe you. But I kinda believe everybody else too

ConcinusMan

04-27-2011, 09:37 AM

infernalis

04-27-2011, 11:03 AM

RedSidedSPR

04-27-2011, 12:07 PM

It's not about beliefs. One can believe or perceive something that is not fact. While it may appear that the tadpoles are eating flesh, they are not. They only eat particles being shed from the carcass of dead animals by decomposition (detritus) and plant material.

And I believe you when you say that, whether it's true or not. Cause I have no other means of knowing... except that your explanation makes perfect sense to me. What do you want me to say? That I "agree" with you?

I will certainly be posting more pics on this subject, I only have a billion tadpoles a year I can photograph.. so next time I see them tearing one apart alive, I'll be sure to capture it.

then of course there will be rejoinder of some sort.

I'd like to see that proof. Not that I don't think you know what you're talking about. I kind of believe youtoo.... I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!

ConcinusMan

04-27-2011, 01:05 PM

I will certainly be posting more pics on this subject, I only have a billion tadpoles a year I can photograph.. so next time I see them tearing one apart alive, I'll be sure to capture it.

then of course there will be rejoinder of some sort.

We are talking about bullfrog tadpoles just be clear. Tearing anything apart is a neat trick being how they don't have the necessary equipment. That I would have to see. I have raised them and they couldn't even tear up a goldfish flake. They just sort of sucked at it until it falls apart into small enough pieces to swallow.

You guys know I just like to argue anyway even if I'm full of spit. Don't take it personally.;)

Stefan-A

04-27-2011, 01:47 PM

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they don't eat meat period. It's only when that flesh becomes detritus will they eat it. Doesn't really matter if it's their own kind or not.
Are you just confusing predation with carnivory, is that it? Or have you misunderstood what detritus is?

Tadpoles do actively remove pieces from carcasses in order to consume them, some species are even known to actively take bites out of living members of their own and other species. They don't sit and wait for that carcass to turn into actual detritus before they dig in. Their mouths are more than capable of doing that job, by the way. Plant matter is tougher to deal with, than flesh, especially decomposing flesh.

Here are a few links worth reading. Found references to a lot more than this, but finding anything in a useful format was more difficult.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/oas/oas_pdf/v46/p25_26.pdf
https://ojs.lib.byu.edu/ojs/index.php/wnan/article/viewFile/1282/1139
A comparison of cane toad and native tadpoles as predators of native anuran eggs, hatchlings and larvae « Feral.org.au (http://www.feral.org.au/a-comparison-of-cane-toad-and-native-tadpoles-as-predators-of-native-anuran-eggs-hatchlings-and-larvae/)
http://fwf.ag.utk.edu/mgray/wfs493/Petranka_Tadpoles.pdf
JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie (http://www.jstor.org/pss/3672577)
http://strangeresourcemanagement.com/site/dl.cgi/1264630114_11489.f_doc_pdf.pdf/LawlerEtAl.1999.pdf
http://fwf.ag.utk.edu/mgray/wfs493/Altig_Tadpoles.pdf
http://www.biosci.missouri.edu/semlitsch/research/pubs/2004%20Boone,%20Little,%20&%20Semlitsch.pdf
http://muhammadskhan.wildlifeofpakistan.com/Oral%20Disc%20tadpole.pdf
http://www.mvences.de/p/p1/Vences_A64.pdf
http://www.biolbull.org/cgi/reprint/218/2/160.pdf

Having just now read your latest post before posting this, there are a few links specifically mentioning bullfrog tadpoles as predators.

ConcinusMan

04-27-2011, 02:10 PM

I've personally never observed bullfrog tadpoles specifically, prey on anything. When I say detritus I mean "In biology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology), detritus is non-living particulate organic material (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biotic_material) (as opposed to dissolved organic material (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolved_organic_carbon)). It typically includes the bodies or fragments of dead organisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism) as well as fecal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feces) material"

"particulate" being the key word here. You'll typically see them feeding on bodies only after they begin to decompose and shed particles. You guys talk like they're gnawing off chunks and even preying on live items. And when I say plant material, I am also referring to particulates and single celled plants. You won't see a bullfrog tadpole take a bite out of anything. Like I said, I've raised them many times and they just aren't capable of it. They really have to work at it to even break up a goldfish food flake. They never tried preying on each other and wouldn't even touch the bodies of their dead until they began to rot and fall apart.

Stefan-A

04-27-2011, 02:21 PM

you guys talk like they're gnawing off chunks and even preying on live items.
They are.

kibakiba

04-27-2011, 02:27 PM

Sorry to interrupt your argument, but, I was wondering if there was a... At least slightly humane way of freezing a live tree frog? I'd like to feed them to my snakes, as a treat and I know I need to freeze them for a while to kill the possible parasites. The only problem I have is, I only know of stuffing them in a bag and placing them in the freezer as a way to freeze them... But I cant because they're alive and I feel really bad doing that.

RedSidedSPR

04-27-2011, 02:55 PM

You guys know I just like to argue anyway even if I'm full of spit. Don't take it personally.;)

Who doesn't? But you and Stefan are the masters.

Sorry to interrupt your argument, but, I was wondering if there was a... At least slightly humane way of freezing a live tree frog? I'd like to feed them to my snakes, as a treat and I know I need to freeze them for a while to kill the possible parasites. The only problem I have is, I only know of stuffing them in a bag and placing them in the freezer as a way to freeze them... But I cant because they're alive and I feel really bad doing that.

The only way, really, is to enthuse them. Humane as it gets, I think.

kibakiba

04-27-2011, 03:03 PM

Have nothing to do that with, unfortunately. I decided to try it with one of them, just sticking it in the freezer in a bag and within 5 minutes it was frozen. at least it didn't suffer long. I'm really a wimp when it comes to these kind of things, I cant cut up worms or pinkies without feeling bad and I cant freeze a frog for a treat to my northwesterns, who seem to go crazy for frogs. When I was sitting in my room with the frog in a moist jar, Mama was freaking out. She was biting the glass. She really wanted that frog. Got another 3-6 months before I'll be feeding it to anyone, though.

RedSidedSPR

04-27-2011, 03:09 PM

kibakiba

04-27-2011, 03:15 PM

Yeah. I'll do it just because it's for my snakes. Frogs, especially around here, are so small and cute that it makes it way harder. Most of them never get bigger than my thumb, and many are the size of my pinkie. They're really colourful too, which is odd for my area. My mom found a blue treefrog here. Most of them are, well, obviously green or brown. She let him go, but it was green with a blue stripe and belly. Sounds pretty.

RedSidedSPR

04-27-2011, 03:32 PM

Don't know of any american species with blue bellies...
For some reason we don't have many treefrogs, but I really like them...

kibakiba

04-27-2011, 03:41 PM

Maybe it was a mutation. My mom said it wasn't a vibrant blue, but a dull blue. I wish I had got to see it.

infernalis

04-27-2011, 03:43 PM

http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/imagesim-with-illogical-small.jpg

mustang

04-27-2011, 08:15 PM

What's the difference between an ex-convict and congressman?

ANSWER: Every now and then, ex-con's pass a few good bills.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah ahahahahaaaaaaX25

wow! now this is starting to be a good tadpole thread!:D
(i believe mine are leopard frog tadpoles)

ConcinusMan

04-27-2011, 09:18 PM

They are.

They're not!:mad: Or maybe they are but I'm sure it's not like you are saying it is:p

Sorry to interrupt your argument, but, I was wondering...

Hey, can't you see we're busy with pointless arguing? How rude of you to interrupt!:mad:

Just kidding Chantel.:p No really, just putting frogs in the freezer is quite humane. They are quite freeze tolerant. I've seen pacific chorus frogs or even bull frogs freeze solid, thaw out later, and still be alive. They really just go to sleep. If they stay frozen cold enough and long enough, they just pass away quietly. They are quite beyond conscious awareness when they die from freezing. I believe they don't feel a thing. They just go to sleep below a certain temperature. The only other way is, if you have the stomach, to drop them in near boiling water, then pull them out quickly before they cook. They will die the instant they land in the boiling water. It's that, or instant freezing by liquid nitrogen.

Personally, I just freeze them. Just put frogs in a container and place it in the household freezer. It's not all that cruel. Happens in nature. Sometimes they get caught in he open and freeze. I don't think they suffer. Just keep them frozen at around 0 degrees F for at least a few weeks to kill any parasite larvae they might be carrying.

In the end, killing is killing. Freezing frogs or rodents even in a regular freezer is quite humane. They get cold, they lose consiousness (go to sleep). Either way, you can rest assured that it is the least violent and traumatic way a frog or rodent will die becoming garter food. At least they aren't alive with razor sharp teeth embedded in their assholomeo as they are being swallowed alive.

kibakiba

04-27-2011, 09:45 PM

Well, thank you for reassuring me that I'm not completely torturing the poor frog. It was spazzing when I put it in the bag and croaking(hah) a lot. That is one reason I don't feed live food unless it's the only thing available. My friend fed a rat hopper(I think) to her python around me and hearing it was the most horrible thing ever, and I wasn't even looking.

I'm sure Mama would be thanking you right about now, she wanted that frog like it was the last meal she'd ever have in her life. I've seen her spazz over food, but never that much.

infernalis

04-27-2011, 10:23 PM

I've personally never observed bullfrog tadpoles specifically, prey on anything. .

I've never personally observed an atom splitting, so evidently it can't happen right??

Stefan-A

04-28-2011, 12:47 AM

They're not!:mad: Or maybe they are but I'm sure it's not like you are saying it is:p

They are and it is.

Stefan-A

04-28-2011, 12:53 AM

I've never personally observed an atom splitting, so evidently it can't happen right??
Yeah, fission is one of those things that you don't normally see. Most people have seen atoms fusing, though.

Stefan-A

04-28-2011, 01:06 AM

Sorry to interrupt your argument, but, I was wondering if there was a... At least slightly humane way of freezing a live tree frog?
No. It's no more comfortable for them, than it is for us to be frozen.

Air pistols are handy.

infernalis

04-28-2011, 01:53 AM

No really, just putting frogs in the freezer is quite humane.

A lesson in humanity ;)

If it were live and moving, in front of me it would be even worse. I wouldn't go the other direction. I'd instantly find the nearest object (rock, gun, club, whatever) and chase that sucker. If I caught up to it, I'd shoot it and/or beat it to death, and feel much exhileration and satisfaction in watching it take it's last breath. Then later, when faced with a carcass to dispose of, I'd feel guilty for killing an animal unnecessarily.:o

infernalis

04-28-2011, 02:16 AM

Most people have seen atoms fusing, though.

Clever one. :)

I'd like to see more of it myself, the recent deficiency is abhorrent.

ConcinusMan

04-28-2011, 09:53 AM

I've never personally observed an atom splitting, so evidently it can't happen right??

I'd just like to know how they are going to accomplish it when all they have is soft, sucking mouth parts incapable of biting. You would think that if it's something that normally happens, I would have seen it by now , with all the tadpoles I've raised, but no. Not once. Not even when I was gone for a few days and they were starving when I got back. They couldn't even manage to eat the goldfish flakes unless I crushed them up into a powder for them, and sunk it. Otherwise, they would struggle with it for hours until the water finally dissolved them. Now that I have seen many times. Now if they are going to prey on each other or something else, what are they going to do, suck it to death?

Stefan-A

04-28-2011, 10:13 AM

I'd just like to know how they are going to accomplish it when all they have is soft, sucking mouth parts incapable of biting.
Well, for starters, they don't just have "soft, sucking mouth parts incapable of biting".

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/garbage/bullfrog-mouth.jpg

PINJOHN

04-28-2011, 11:28 AM

whats the difference between a bad marksman and a constipated owl

a bad marksman shoots and shoots and never hits but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D

guidofatherof5

04-28-2011, 11:43 AM

Whooo whooo do you think you are John.:D
Funny man.:D

PINJOHN

04-28-2011, 11:50 AM

Whooo whooo do you think you are John.:D
Funny man.:D

nice one Steve that was funnier than the joke :D

guidofatherof5

04-28-2011, 11:53 AM

Thanks.
Spontaneous humor:D

infernalis

04-28-2011, 12:51 PM

Evidently absolute faith in fallacy overrides the ascertainment of science.

ConcinusMan

04-28-2011, 02:24 PM

No, I belive she was not T.s. pickeringii. There was no blue. The more I remember and look at my T.s. fitchi, this was her.

http://www.californiaherps.com/noncal/northwest/nwsnakes/images/tsfitchiomwa806.jpg

If it looked like that, ^^^and it was in Vancouver, B.C. then it was a red phase pickeringi. Pugets are only blue in the extreme south end of the sound near Olympia, WA. In Canada, they look like that^^^ I already posted a picture of one. I see you're under the impression that all puget sound garters are blue like the ones you see in the market. Those are actually the exception. Most are not blue at all, but are instead quite plain with white or pale greenish white stripes, and Canadian pugets in Vancouver B.C. look very much like a fitchii. This is a puget sound garter, red phase, Vancouver island locality:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll228/adamanteus_bucket/Garter%20Snake%20Photos/2008_0412malepuget0034.jpg

That is the only possible red garter snake you could have seen at the zoo in B.C. and it is a puget sound garter. T.s. pickeringi. There are no concinnus in Canada, the nearest they occur is extreme SW WA. T.s. fitchii do not occur in western B.C but red phase pugets do, especially on Vancouver Island and the US border area.

Again, in northern WA and Vancouver, B.C. area, pugets are red like the snake pictured immediately above. Most pugets aren't blue at all but instead look like this:

http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/imgs/512x768/0000_0000/1104/0499.jpeg

The very blue ones like this, only occur in a small area of their range, near Olympia WA:
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/imgs/512x768/0000_0000/1104/0482.jpeg

Your "concinnus" that you saw wild in Vancouver, B.C. could only have been a puget sound garter snake. T.s pickeringi red phase. They can be difficult to tell apart from fitchi but range and labial/head markings will tell you which one you found.

RedSidedSPR

04-28-2011, 02:29 PM

=Air pistols are handy.

Das how ah role. Just kidding. i have considered it though.

drache

04-28-2011, 02:33 PM

Evidently absolute faith in fallacy overrides the ascertainment of science.
absolute faith generally overrides everything
that's what makes it scary

ConcinusMan

04-28-2011, 02:42 PM

Evidently absolute faith in fallacy overrides the ascertainment of science.

So do an experiment. See if you can get them to do what you say they do. See if they will prey on other tadpoles. See if they will indeed literally take bites out of dead or live flesh. The only thing I have faith in, is that they have never done that when I kept them, and that they consistently demonstrate to me that they aren't even capable of it, even if they wanted to.

Stefan-A

04-28-2011, 02:57 PM

So do an experiment. See if you can get them to do what you say they do. See if they will prey on other tadpoles.
We're well past that. It's been studied, it's been confirmed.

infernalis

04-28-2011, 03:05 PM

Why?? wouldn't add a thing to what has already been said.

ConcinusMan

04-28-2011, 03:52 PM

We're well past that. It's been studied, it's been confirmed.

That should make it easy then. Shouldn't be any problem at all to set it up to happen again.

Stefan-A

04-28-2011, 03:59 PM

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/garbage/double-facepalm.jpg

ConcinusMan

04-28-2011, 04:04 PM

What? Well it shouldn't be hard at all.:D If it is indeed typical, and the results are conclusive, then it shouldn't be difficult to reproduce the same results. I can honestly say I haven't been able to do so. When I watch a bullfrog tadpole get frustrated trying to pick apart a goldfish flake, it makes it rather difficult to believe they could bite each other, or prey on anything. Just saying. They are much like a nursing infant trying to eat corn on the cob.:cool:

PINJOHN

04-29-2011, 01:48 AM

I was reluctant to get involved with the tadpole DISCUSSION but then i thought what the hell.
i have kept amphibs for many years and as a result i have amassed a lot of books on them, i am far from what you would call knowledgeable on tadpoles but i do remember reading in more than one of my books about a survival strategy employed by some anuran's, some of their tadpoles put on a spurt in growth and then turn cannibal, i think the reasoning was that in dry spells it allowed at least some of them to develop before the pond dried up
if i can find the relevant book or books i will add the info to the thread.

drache

04-29-2011, 04:31 AM

That should make it easy then. Shouldn't be any problem at all to set it up to happen again.
I think Stefan was referring to a bunch of research papers in this post:
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/158243-post7869.html
my understanding is that when research is published, they've already gotten it to happen more than once.

guidofatherof5

04-29-2011, 04:42 AM

Congrats to Prince William and Kate Middleton

BLUESIRTALIS

04-29-2011, 07:03 AM

Prince william sure is a lucky man.

gregmonsta

04-29-2011, 04:14 PM

Congrats to Prince William and Kate Middleton

:p .... think I'd rather congradulate everyone else that got married today .... at least they didn't spend my taxes on the event or cost me a days work :rolleyes:

On another note ... I've been a bit inactive lately thanks to 'the breakup' - may be in a bit of a limbo with limited internet access from mid-next week for a bit with Terri moving out. Heads up to all - if you get in touch it may take a bitty for me to get back to you.

guidofatherof5

04-29-2011, 04:21 PM

Prayers your way mate.

gregmonsta

04-29-2011, 04:24 PM

Thanks Steve.

On another note .... there's some crazy Scottish bloke with a garter passion and no garters lined up to move in with me ... I wonder who that could be :P

andycul

04-29-2011, 04:26 PM

Thanks Steve.

On another note .... there's some crazy Scottish bloke with a garter passion and no garters lined up to move in with me ... I wonder who that could be :P

Hmmm I wonder who that dafty could be? :D:p

guidofatherof5

04-29-2011, 05:28 PM

ssssnakeluvr

04-29-2011, 06:57 PM

we are all getting older..... :o

my oldest, Nikki, graduates on June 2nd!!! :eek:

PINJOHN

04-30-2011, 04:48 AM

:p .... think I'd rather congradulate everyone else that got married today .... at least they didn't spend my taxes on the event or cost me a days work :rolleyes:

've been a bit inactive lately thanks to 'the breakup' - may be in a bit of a limbo with limited internet access from mid-next week for a bit with Terri moving out. Heads up to all - if you get in touch it may take a bitty for me to get back to you.

sounds like a "its them snakes or me" situation :D

but to be serious i hope it all turns out all right

gregmonsta

04-30-2011, 04:15 PM

sounds like a "its them snakes or me" situation :D

:rolleyes: if only it were that simple ... everything will work out fine me thinks ... just have to grind through it.

PINJOHN

05-01-2011, 02:15 AM

Hey greg are you planning any trips to the better side of the border, [shows] thought it might be nice to meet and say hello, it would give you a chance to buy me a coffee, what an achievement getting a drink out of a Scot :rolleyes:

this post is a cunning attempt to take your mind off your situation :D

PINJOHN

05-01-2011, 02:23 AM

I must be getting older. My 3 oldest have Banquet(private school prom) tonight.
Emmy's in 11th grade, Kale is in 9th and Molly is in 8th.
They do clean-up nice.:D

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/IMG_1405_Quick_e-mail_view.jpg

they do you real credit Steve, you are doing a great job
if i ever learn how to put on photos i will show you my kids and grand kids

drache

05-01-2011, 05:00 AM

Steve - your offspring are beginning to look like young people rather than kids
I hope they had a great time at their prom

indigoman

05-01-2011, 05:32 AM

A great looking trio, hope they had a good time!

mustang

05-01-2011, 09:43 AM

i graduate next year!!! GO CLASS OF 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mommy2many

05-01-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by ConcinnusMan http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/images/green/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/1293-its-oh-so-quiet-shh-shh-790.html#post158358)
So do an experiment. See if you can get them to do what you say they do. See if they will prey on other tadpoles.

We're well past that. It's been studied, it's been confirmed.
________________

I have personally witnessed this event in my pool when we raised the frogs. Actually bull frog tadpoles were even more aggressive than the tree frog tadpoles. They fed on each other when they had the chance.

mustang

05-01-2011, 06:16 PM

what type of turtle is that on the label?
http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pPETS-3759466t400.jpg

kibakiba

05-01-2011, 06:28 PM

I sprained my ankle pretty badly today. I was walking to the convenient store with my mom and real mom to get some snacks and lunch and on our way back, I was going to put one of my moms socks over the blister I got on my toe, and tried to sit on a 4 foot embankment. I lost my balance and fell backwards and smacked my head on the ground, too. My mom had to call an ambulance to help me. We all thought my ankle was broken the way it crunched and popped. Luckily, I'm fine. I can't walk though. I'm stuck in my chair. I have my new babies to help give me some company while I cant move ;)

guidofatherof5

05-01-2011, 06:28 PM

what type of turtle is that on the label?

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pPETS-3759466t400.jpg

Looks like a softshell.
Maybe a Florida softshell.

mustang

05-01-2011, 06:36 PM

is this a bargain? just curious i cant afford it but the sticks in it are nice

2 55 gal. aquariums (allready set up for critters)
AQUARIUM REPTILE ENCLOSURE FISH TANK 3D EFFECTS 55 GAL | eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUARIUM-REPTILE-ENCLOSURE-FISH-TANK-3D-EFFECTS-55-GAL-/380164931644?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588398803c)

ok cool, thanks Steve...its a cool turtle.:D

guidofatherof5

05-01-2011, 06:40 PM

Seem a little pricey to me.

infernalis

05-01-2011, 06:48 PM

Seem a little pricey to me.

Me too... look on craigs list, springtime rummage sales are coming up soon too.

PINJOHN

05-02-2011, 03:23 AM

Thats one less murdering psychopath sharing our planet
god is good

infernalis

05-02-2011, 08:29 AM

Thats one less murdering psychopath sharing our planet
god is good

This????

ZNYmK19-d0U

PINJOHN

05-02-2011, 08:53 AM

This????

ZNYmK19-d0U

yes

ConcinusMan

05-04-2011, 08:44 AM

In other news...

I had my first shipping fatality.:( I feel awful. I shipped two baby concinnus' (born in March) to Sonya610 in GA. I used those little clear plastic condiment containers, taped shut, with tiny holes for air, like I always do for small babies. One of the little boogers somehow managed to force his head under the lid and got stuck there. He died in route.:(

BLUESIRTALIS

05-04-2011, 08:58 AM

I hate to hear it richard. I know you will make it right with her.

ConcinusMan

05-04-2011, 09:07 AM

Of course, but it will have to wait until after I get back from Sparks. I just feel bad for the poor lil guy.:(

BLUESIRTALIS

05-04-2011, 09:12 AM

I know what you mean i fill bad for him too. I had a snake come this year that looks like he got stuck in between the lid and the container it made a real bad place in his neck that is still there. He does seem to be fine though he is eating and acting fine.

ConcinusMan

05-04-2011, 09:29 AM

Anyway, about the latest small litter. Here's mom again: (big bertha)

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7885/bblarge.jpg

Here's the father: (hypoerythristic, actually codominant anery het)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2042/daddy003large.jpg

Babies! I think they're prettier than mom or dad. All were born with very light colored, yellowish undersides which I normally only see in about half of laterally striped babies. I think I'll start crossing localities every time. Maybe I can come up with my own unique babies.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/939/000005large.jpg

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/6894/000003large.jpg

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5521/000007large.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7454/000004large.jpg

RedSidedSPR

05-04-2011, 03:14 PM

Awesome. I want one!

ConcinusMan

05-04-2011, 04:23 PM

Isn't it freaky how they look so much more colorful than either parent?

drache

05-04-2011, 05:48 PM

very pretty babies - congrats

Mommy2many

05-04-2011, 06:11 PM

Richard, so sorry to hear of the tragic death of the little one in shipping.
On a brighter note, those new babies are amazing!
Congratulations!

ConcinusMan

05-04-2011, 06:24 PM

Yeah, well, I actually didn't mean to post that here. It was supposed to go in "concinnusman's garters" so you'll see it there too, or similar post.

guidofatherof5

05-06-2011, 06:25 AM

I found this video and thought it might bring a smile. Enjoy.

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RdubSnider

05-06-2011, 07:42 AM

I've been trying to take some updated pictures of some of my snakes. I've got a Sony digital camera. Its not a real expensive one. I'm having a tough time capturing there colors and wanted to see if anyone new any tricks or had any advice. Or maybe ill Just have to buy a different camera
The colors I'm having problems getting is reds and blues.
Thanks

infernalis

05-06-2011, 08:04 AM

Natural light, or use strong room lighting.

a quick trick I learned is to tape a small piece of clean paper over the flash to act as a flash diffuser.

BLUESIRTALIS

05-06-2011, 08:59 AM

I've had some luck taking the pics in the dark with the flash on it seems to catch the true colors of snakes. I'm with wayne natural light is about the best. Post some if you get any i would love to see them.;)

ConcinusMan

05-06-2011, 12:02 PM

guidofatherof5

05-06-2011, 12:51 PM

No you can't quote them but you can copy and paste there post to this thread until they are cleared to receive PM's.

RdubSnider

05-06-2011, 01:47 PM

Thanks for the advice. Ill put it to use tonight.

guidofatherof5

05-06-2011, 01:57 PM

Not this again! http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/wanted/8444-canada-garters.html

Can't PM the person, can't respond to the post. Probably thinks we're completely ignoring them. I wanted to point them in Charles' direction or maybe Haz's but I can't. I think it's rather irritating that you can't "quote" them and post it to a different thread either.

Looks like this member was approved and cleared to received PM's the same day they posted the thread your talking about.
Looks like the Mod. is doing a great job.
I'm going to send you a box of patience Richard.:D

drache

05-06-2011, 08:17 PM

I'm going to send you a box of patience Richard.:D
hey Steve - does that come as a liquid, or in tablets?
some days I could sure use some extra myself . . .

guidofatherof5

05-06-2011, 08:19 PM

hey Steve - does that come as a liquid, or in tablets?
some days I could sure use some extra myself . . .

I'll send you injectables.:D They're faster acting.:D

drache

05-06-2011, 08:22 PM

I'll send you injectables.:D They're faster acting.:D
oh boy - patience on the quick
sounds like one of those "only in America" things

PINJOHN

05-07-2011, 01:08 AM

your comments about patience brought a smile to my face i recalled the many times as a kid i would be acting up when my grandmother [nin] was looking after me and she would always say the same thing
patience is a virtue
find it if you can
its seldom in a woman
but never in a man.
i still miss her even after all these years

drache

05-07-2011, 05:12 AM

you know, John, it's funny in that dark sort of way, because . . .
at your grandmother's time, patience was a virtue, and one practiced to overcome impatience
now, if they come up with the right kind of drug, impatience will soon be an easily treatable medical condition, worth billions to the pharma industries
Steve is just a little bit ahead of the trend - a true visionary

infernalis

05-07-2011, 11:17 AM

Sleeping pills can cure impatience, can't pace the floor if you are passed out on it. ;)

mustang

05-07-2011, 07:05 PM

same thing happends if you O.D. on sugar and caffiene...:) you wear yourself out!

PINJOHN

05-08-2011, 02:24 AM

come on Steve if Rhea is getting a freebie of your patented patience pharmaceutics then i want some AND I WANT IT NOW :p

guidofatherof5

05-08-2011, 06:45 AM

With all the kids you had you should be overflowing with patience.
Unless you used it all up:D

ssssnakeluvr

05-08-2011, 09:25 AM

Sleeping pills can cure impatience, can't pace the floor if you are passed out on it. ;)
That's funny Wayne!

mustang

05-08-2011, 10:01 AM

wahoo chocolate cereal (a luxary for me since i eat it so rarely) and peeps = better than brand named lucky charms!!

guidofatherof5

05-08-2011, 01:00 PM

This weekend was full of yard work. My 3 youngest were a big help.
They filled 13 lawn bags. Mostly pine needles from my Austrian Pine trees.
With my shoulder injury no work was done last Fall so there was double the amount of work
My girls did a great job staying on task and not arguing(not much) with each other.
Kneeling is Molly(age almost 13) The lime green shirted young lady is Gabby(age 11) and in the back is my awesome Hailee(age 10)
I am a blessed man, a blessed man indeed.;)
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/helpers.jpg

infernalis

05-08-2011, 03:46 PM

Blessed is the man who appreciates those around him.

Would you care to become guidofatherof7 ??

guidofatherof5

05-08-2011, 03:47 PM

Hang in there brother.;)

RedSidedSPR

05-08-2011, 03:55 PM

What happened to your shoulder?

guidofatherof5

05-08-2011, 04:03 PM

What happened to your shoulder?

Torn rotator cuff. Been repaired, it's at about 80% of where it was before the injury.
This is as good as it will get.:mad:

RedSidedSPR

05-08-2011, 04:27 PM

Well that sucks. Hope it heals more than they say. How'd ya do it?

guidofatherof5

05-08-2011, 04:36 PM

Fighting with a murder suspect that was resisting arrest. After I took his gun away from him I had to adjust his attitude.;)

Now the real story.
I was lifting a box down from a shelf and it blew.:D

The first story sounds so much better. Didn't it?

BLUESIRTALIS

05-09-2011, 06:13 AM

guidofatherof5

05-09-2011, 06:38 AM

I'm sure it happened a time or two in your days in office.

There were a few close calls in there. Glad I had good training.
Had an incident where a guy tried to shot me while I was sitting in my car.
When it all went down all I could hear was my academy instructor yelling at me. Giving me instruction on how to survive.
I called him that night and thanked him for all his hard work.;)

RedSidedSPR

05-09-2011, 10:54 AM

Forgot you were a cop. Awesome.

guidofatherof5

05-09-2011, 11:04 AM

Forgot you were a cop. Awesome.

Retired or ******** whichever fits.:D

Lots of extra time for my kids and snakes. And myself:D

Able to grab a nap once in awhile.
Naps, what a glorious thing.:D

RedSidedSPR

05-09-2011, 11:10 AM

real glorious:rolleyes: I wouldn't know. Why waste time sleepin' when you can go catch snakes... or play COD?
Kidding.

guidofatherof5

05-09-2011, 11:19 AM

real glorious:rolleyes: I wouldn't know. Why waste time sleepin' when you can go catch snakes... or play COD?
Kidding.

Someday, someday.:D

RedSidedSPR

05-09-2011, 01:29 PM

I'm sure. I get it. I was only kidding.

guidofatherof5

05-09-2011, 01:34 PM

I'm sure. I get it. I was only kidding.

I know you were.;)

RedSidedSPR

05-09-2011, 01:39 PM

I knew you knew i was

infernalis

05-09-2011, 03:08 PM

I knew you knew i was

Thanks, now I feel the sudden urge to take a nap..:D

kibakiba

05-12-2011, 02:17 AM

This little sucker plopped on my floor while I was making lasagna...
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3948/sdc13053t.jpg

He's actually quite small compared to the house spiders we normally have. He's about 3-5 times smaller.

ConcinusMan

05-12-2011, 02:40 AM

Man those things leave a nasty wound when they bite too. Landed me in the hospital once with a terribly painful and resistant infection. A golf ball sized purple lump and red streaks going up my arm just 72 hours after being bit. Just a breeze blowing on it was excruciatingly painful.

kibakiba

05-12-2011, 02:46 AM

Yeah, that's the one that gave me the spider bite the last time. Only size that matches the bite. My boyfriend thinks that I'm exaggerating and that it's the size of a penny. It's the size of a quarter, and is going to get a hell of a lot bigger. The house is infested with these stupid spiders.

mustang

05-12-2011, 09:38 AM

hooray
rain rain come all day
go away some other day (before friday)
imm still in my first class since (even though its clearing up) it could get bad...again

ConcinusMan

05-12-2011, 09:39 AM

Nice and sunny here this morning. Yard work is already done. I think I'll go herping just for fun today.

mustang

05-12-2011, 09:43 AM

Nice and sunny here this morning. Yard work is already done. I think I'll go herping just for fun today.

have fun!

RedSidedSPR

05-12-2011, 02:06 PM

It's dark looks like rain soon, but not so far.

guidofatherof5

05-12-2011, 02:48 PM

Rain starting up again here. Heavy rain last night. Highs in the low 50's and rain tomorrow.

kibakiba

05-12-2011, 04:47 PM

Our power might be shut off. Anyone want to give me some advice on how to keep my snakes warm while it is off? I'm sure they'll be fine without their lamps and the heater, but sometimes it gets as low as high 40s to low 50s in my room when the heater isn't on at night.

guidofatherof5

05-12-2011, 05:03 PM

Put in a few soft hides.
Face towel, washcloth or some old fabric of some type.
They'll love it.;)

kibakiba

05-12-2011, 05:21 PM

I'm sure they would. I have a washcloth in with Snap and she's almost always under it.

For my new babies, who will hide under the bedding if he heat is lower than 68, would wrapping a blanket or towel around the tank keep some heat in it? I like keeping my snakes pretty warm, especially when it gets so cold at night. I never let my office get under 60 degrees when I can help it.

ConcinusMan

05-12-2011, 08:12 PM

sometimes it gets as low as high 40s to low 50s in my room when the heater isn't on at night.

Well, believe it or not Chantel, they've been surviving those kind of temps for much longer than humans have been around. They're quite well adapted. I wouldn't worry yourself over it. I wouldn't feed them much, if at all if it's going to be cold most of the time. It's difficult if not impossible to properly digest as it gets colder. Other than that, they should be fine.