Its oh so quiet Shh Shh

[adamanteus]

Thanks guys. I'll be okay. I have the opportunity to try another career path now.....
Train driver, super-hero, stunt-man. I still haven't decided what I want to be when I grow up.:D

[Stefan-A]

Thanks guys. I'll be okay. I have the opportunity to try another career path now.....
Train driver, super-hero, stunt-man. I still haven't decided what I want to be when I grow up.:D
Llama Man! :D He can bleat, he can trot, and he's prone to flatulence when threatened. ;)

[anji1971]

Too funny!! They do say if you wait long enough, any opportunity could come your way. So there you go, James. Better start designing your Llama Man suit!:D

[count dewclaw]

We, of course, need pictures of you modeling your Llama Man suit :D:D

[adamanteus]

You want it, you got it!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//541/llama_suit1.jpg

[Zephyr]

lol
Wow, that's so inconspicuous. XD

[Stefan-A]

Not bad, Llama Man. :D That should keep your real identity secret. ;) :D

[adamanteus]

You can tell it's me when I take that mask off!

[adamanteus]

Is this better?

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//541/llama_suit2.jpg

[Stefan-A]

Much better. :D

[adamanteus]

I must be honest.... that's not really a suit.... that's just me, naked.:D

[enigma200316]

thats hahahaha so hahahahaha freakin hahahahaha funny James......:D:D

[Zephyr]

XDDD
Nice one! XD

[adamanteus]

I'm off to bed.... I have to go to work tomorrow and pretend I'm interested in a job I've already lost! I bet I get in late!:eek:

[count dewclaw]

Yes, the mask is much better. All Super-heroes have masks! :rolleyes::D

[Stefan-A]

Yes, the mask is much better. All Super-heroes have masks! :rolleyes::D
Except Superman. He takes his mask off. :D

[count dewclaw]

Oh, you're right, I forgot about Superman :o Too bad I don't look that good when I take off my "mask".

[Stefan-A]

Oh, you're right, I forgot about Superman :o Too bad I don't look that good when I take off my "mask".
People over here like to call it "war paint". ;)

[count dewclaw]

People over here like to call it "war paint". ;)

Actually, I was talking about my glasses, I don't wear make-up...hmmm, maybe I should...no, I can't be bothered! :D

[Stefan-A]

Ah, I see. :D

[anji1971]

Actually, I was talking about my glasses, I don't wear make-up...hmmm, maybe I should...no, I can't be bothered! :D

I know what you mean about not being bothered! I remember as a teenager I wouldn't even take out the garbage if I didn't have my hair and makeup done!
Now I wear makeup mainly when I'm going out (which is rare) or a couple times a month just because. I just find it a hassle to fuss with it every day, and then clean off again every night.
And it's just not practical for workouts, or running through the fields chasing snakes!;)

[Lori P]

James, seriously sorry to hear about your job.... job stress is just awful... Jamie runs his own electrical business, and after 3 years of trying to make a go of it, he's in the process of deciding what to do... the buisiness isn't where we need it to be but to just give up now would be heartbreaking... it's soooooo hard.

But the Llama Man thing is a VERY good look for you... it could work... don't forget your theme song! www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php)

[adamanteus]

I hope Jamie doesn't have to fold his business, it is heartbreaking to watch your enterprise fail after you've put so much into it. Having said that, you need to know when to cut your losses. Good luck with that decision, Lori. I know how difficult such choices can be, I have run my own business in the past... a few times. In fact I may start a new venture now that I'm 'available' again.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

llama man?????? is that you?!

[adamanteus]

The body is mine.... the face is just some random pic off the internet.:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol your VERY hairy!!!!!!!

[adamanteus]

Wanna brush my coat?;)

[Snake lover 3-25]

EWWWWWWW!!!!!! grose!!!!!:(:(:(:(:(

[Stefan-A]

Anyway, I'm off to bed.

[adamanteus]

Catch you tomorrow, Stefan. Goodnight.

[drache]

James, look
http://members.tripod.com/~brianpink/socorra-s-3.mov (http://members.tripod.com/%7Ebrianpink/socorra-s-3.mov)
http://members.tripod.com/~brianpink/greenspit.mov (http://members.tripod.com/%7Ebrianpink/greenspit.mov)
Llama Spit Page (http://kimsey.stonepics.com/spit.htm)

[adamanteus]

Very nice, Rhea. Just the image I want to take to bed with me. Thankyou!

[drache]

glad you like it
perhaps you can practice in your dreams
I do believe it comes out better when you chew wads of green stuff first
in fact I believe I used to do this to my mother 51 years ago, when she tried to feed me green stuff

[Snake lover 3-25]

lol i like the last one!!!!

[GarterGirl]

The second one it so funny.
Play it over and over again

[adamanteus]

I just got severly musked! I was speaking on the web-cam to Gijs & Sabine and decided to show them my female tetrataenia...... She didn't want to come out to play, so I paid the consequenses! Now I stink!

[Lori P]

So... nothing new then?? :rolleyes::D

[Gijs & Sabine]

Whahaaa, too funny James :D
I'm sooo glad that there is no smell on the computer !!

I showed our big radix female and ofcourse she doesn't musk, she never ever did ;) .....That's my girl !!

[ssssnakeluvr]

ewwwwwwwww...I get musked regularly. my friend at the reptile rescue suggested using clorox wipes...gets rid of the smell!!!!!

[Gijs & Sabine]

Btw, it was great to speak to you and Sue :) and Molly .......I can wait ;)

[Stefan-A]

I must be wired incorrectly, I've sort of started to like the smell. :D The tetra has done it a few times, but never on me.

[adamanteus]

Oh my girl got me good.... both hands, all down my shirt front, a bit on my leg, my shoe and the carpet. Monster musk!:eek:

[adamanteus]

Btw, it was great to speak to you and Sue :) and Molly .......I can wait ;)

Yes, I enjoyed it too..... although conversation on the web-cam can seem a little strange at first. Afterwards, Molly asked me 'Why didn't I speak to Sabine?' Silly, shy girl!:D

[drache]

someone sent me a link to a fear of snakes study that I found irritating because the study presumes that (for survival reasons) people have more of a need to be aware of snakes and spiders than other animals and things
the article even stipulates that humans had to be extraordinarily lucky to survive as a race, unless they could quickly spot snakes and spiders.
Evolution Of Aversion: Why Even Children Are Fearful Of Snakes (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080227121840.htm)

[Stefan-A]

Thanks for the link, Rhea. I remember reading an article on the issue some time ago.


The local pet shop's owner just got awarded for running an ethical pet shop, donated 1/3 of the prize to the Finnish animal welfare associations. Not really surprising, they won't even sell a danio without making sure your aquarium is big enough and has the right water quality. Too bad they don't sell reptiles and related stuff anymore. They still have frozen mice, though.

[reptileparadise]

hmmmm....mice!

alright...I'm off...One more game of Grand Theft Auto 4 and thats it...Gotta get packing for a week fishing in Denmark :)

[anji1971]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHH H!!!!!!

Okay, that's better. I just needed to vent after a blood- pressure raising day! What better thread to do so on?:D

[adamanteus]

Let's have the details then, Anji..... Your 'AAARRGGHHH'... leaves us guessing!

[Sid]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHH H!!!!!!

Okay, that's better. I just needed to vent after a blood- pressure raising day! What better thread to do so on?:D
Anji, hope the Gator photo didn't contribute

[anji1971]

Well, it's probably not that dramatic, but little stresses add up!
My daughter is starting with what I suspect is bronchitis. My snake is puffy and oozing. I had to work a 10 hour day so I couldn't do anything for either one of them.
Now the clinics are closed, the vet is expensive, and I am exhausted.
The server for thamnophis.com was down for several hours over here, so I couldn't get on the forum for far too long.
And to top it off, some stupid people down the block thought it would be a wonderful idea to take in feral cats all winter, let them multiply, then release the whole lot of them this week when it warmed up. I arrived home to find 4 cats in my driveway, which all promptly took off into my backyard when I stepped out of the car. Spent 20 minutes chasing cats around screaming like a banshee. And the Humane Society is closed at this point too. So I really wish I had one of Stefan's guns.
Sorry, I am not really a cat-hater, but I don't need a yardful of flea-ridden, yowling , pooing-in-my-garden, wild animals, either.:mad:

I think I'm done now............are you sorry you asked yet, James?:D

[adamanteus]

Actually Anji, don't get me started on cats.... Our (relatively) new cat decided it would be fun to destroy the flowers in the vase on the sideboard. I explained through gestures and violence that he should leave them alone. I was awoken a while ago (it's nearly 3AM here) by a crashing noise, and came down stairs to find petals and water everywhere! My wife has forbidden me from killing him, so I stuffed his stupid face in the puddle he left on the floor, and threw him out of the house. If I hear him cry to come in....he's dead!

[anji1971]

Funny, I've been wondering how your cat has been lately. Guess I don't need to ask now!

[adamanteus]

He has completely destroyed our (very expensive) leather dining chairs, he intimidates my snakes, he had the nerve to viciously attack my feet while I was sleeping... why do I love him so much?

[anji1971]

Because he's cute. That's how they lure you in...........just like kids.:D

[anji1971]

Have you given in and let him back in the house yet??

[adamanteus]

No way! He's in the 'out-house' till morning.

[anji1971]

Where the heck is everyone tonight? Is it possible that James and I are the only ones with nothing better to do??

[adamanteus]

It is quiet... but the home page was 'crashed' for a while by the omni-present spammers! Hey, just talk to me until they all come back!

[count dewclaw]

I just got here. Anji, sorry your day was hectic. I hope your daughter is ok. I spent last night and this morning with doctors for my daughter...she broke her arm tripping over a hurdle at track practice yesterday. Guess who encouraged her to try hurdles :o. She says she likes hurdling and wants to get back to doing them once she heals.

[anji1971]

Spammers..........that's why I couldn't get on here all evening. Damn them all!!!!!
I'll talk to you, James. I just have to take brief breaks to make bedtime snacks and tea. And eventually I really need to go do a workout. 11pm is a great time for exercise!:rolleyes:

[adamanteus]

I must go to bed now, or else it will be time to get up before I get to sleep!
Catch you all tomorrow (today?):D

[adamanteus]

I really need to go do a workout. 11pm is a great time for exercise!:rolleyes:


Okay... If ever we required photos, this is the time!:D

[anji1971]

I just got here. Anji, sorry your day was hectic. I hope your daughter is ok. I spent last night and this morning with doctors for my daughter...she broke her arm tripping over a hurdle at track practice yesterday. Guess who encouraged her to try hurdles :o. She says she likes hurdling and wants to get back to doing them once she heals.

Owwww! I hope your daughter is okay, too.
Isn't it wonderful when we encourage our kids to try something new and they break themselves? At least she enjoyed the sport, so she'll forgive you for trying to kill her off!:D

[anji1971]

Okay... If ever we required photos, this is the time!:D

No, James. No, it's not.

[adamanteus]

Oh. Well I tried, no one can say I didn't try. Goodnight Anji. Enjoy your workout!;)

[count dewclaw]

Owwww! I hope your daughter is okay, too.
Isn't it wonderful when we encourage our kids to try something new and they break themselves? At least she enjoyed the sport, so she'll forgive you for trying to kill her off!:D

At least for this time...she's very competitive, it's hard to stop her.

[anji1971]

Oh. Well I tried, no one can say I didn't try. Goodnight Anji. Enjoy your workout!;)

Good night James! If the workouts ever do their job, maybe I'll show photos..........:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

LOL very sorry about your day Anji, you too LeAnn... isn't every cat just perfect at destruction???? mine destroyed every door in our house, poops in our plants and ruined all wicker in sight... she also enjoys killing things and leaving them where someone is bound to step on them....LOL Dont kill your cat james!!!! it's against the law!!!!LOL:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

i guess it's only us on right now anji... too early for anyone else LOL i woke up at 7am today... who knows why.... i wanted to sleep in... but then a bird about 2' from my window started to drive my cat crazy and so i opened the window... then my stupid cat tried to jump through the screen aont the bird on the roof... she ended up falling on top of me... that woke me up!!!LOL:D

[drache]

I gave a cat acupuncture today and she liked it

[adamanteus]

I gave a cat acupuncture today and she liked it

I considered giving my cat acupunture last night (with a kitchen knife!)
We're friends again now.... he's being ever so good!:D

[Snake lover 3-25]

I considered giving my cat acupunture last night (with a kitchen knife!)

EWWWWW you have a sick mind!!! i just consider throwing mine over the stair rail or out a window...:D

[ssssnakeluvr]

I considered giving my cat acupunture last night (with a kitchen knife!)
We're friends again now.... he's being ever so good!:D

funny! I heard a lady tell me her husband used threaten to cut her cat's tail off at the neck!!!!! :eek:
of course he was joking.

[drache]

mine drive me crazy - particularly when I try to tend to other critters
yesterday I spilled a tub of roaches because of them
and all of the screen tops on the tanks are turning into hammocks

[Lori P]

Cats are here to make sure we don't get bored. See how dull your morning chores would have been without them, Rhea? :D

[count dewclaw]

Cats are here to make sure we don't get bored. See how dull your morning chores would have been without them, Rhea? :D

I thought that's what kids are for...mine keep me laughing, crying, driving, etc all the time...never a dull moment!

[anji1971]

Well, cats are kind of just another 'breed' of child!
BTW, how's your daughter's broken arm, LeAnn? She feeling better?

[count dewclaw]

Thanks for asking, Anji. My daughter is doing really well. They did not put a cast on her arm because they want her to move her elbow to keep it from stiffening. She has to wear a sling, though and no running for 2 weeks. After that they may let her run, but no hurdles and no triple jump...she's not happy about that! How's your daughter, are the meds knocking out the infection?

[anji1971]

Thanks for asking, Anji. My daughter is doing really well. They did not put a cast on her arm because they want her to move her elbow to keep it from stiffening. She has to wear a sling, though and no running for 2 weeks. After that they may let her run, but no hurdles and no triple jump...she's not happy about that! How's your daughter, are the meds knocking out the infection?

Well, we've had a couple of really rough nights. It seems that's when the choking cough hits, and neither of us have slept much. But the congestion is definitely loosening up now, so I figure in a couple days she'll be back to wreaking havoc around the house! The poor thing only gets sick once a year, and when she does, she gets hit hard!!

[count dewclaw]

Those sleepless coughing nights are tough! Hope it all clears up quickly.

[Zephyr]

Damn'd seasonal allergies. x.x

[count dewclaw]

Damn'd seasonal allergies. x.x

That's for sure! Although mine won't really hit until the grasses start pollenating, then I'm in trouble!

[Gijs & Sabine]

Actualy I should go to bed now, but I can't get myself to it ......... when I just did my last checkround on the garters I saw that our very fat tetrataenia female is very restless right now :eek: She can be fooling around, but I think she is not far from giving birth :D Her doughter had just babies today, so it is very likely......

but my bed .......:p

[adamanteus]

I have to share this with you guys, I'm still laughing about it hours later..........
My Mother is very, very old (even older than Sid;)) and quite easily confused.... she told me today that she had chicken doorknobs for her lunch!
She meant drumsticks, surely? But doorknobs?! Come on!:D:D

[Stefan-A]

They're so cute when they're old. :D

[adamanteus]

Pensioners.. you can't beat them......... Shame really!:eek:

[Stefan-A]

Sure you can, you're stronger than they are.

[Sid]

I have to share this with you guys, I'm still laughing about it hours later..........
My Mother is very, very old (even older than Sid;)) and quite easily confused.... she told me today that she had chicken doorknobs for her lunch!
She meant drumsticks, surely? But doorknobs?! Come on!:D:D
Mine mother is now 83 and at the point of being forgetful ( and yep, James she even older than me as well). But, she hasn't told me yet that she ate "chicken doorknobs". Good one, James:D

[adamanteus]

She said she wanted a black gigolo for Christmas.... after picking myself up off the floor, I realised she meant a black gilet!:D

I offered her a liqueur (It's still Christmas) she asked for a Grand Maniac!

[count dewclaw]

She said she wanted a black gigolo for Christmas.... after picking myself up off the floor, I realised she meant a black gilet!:D

Wow, there is a huge difference between the two, isn't there? Too funny!

[drache]

that is really funny, James

my friend Katherine told me a funny story that happened with her 6 year old daughter
they were standing in front of a poster advertising a benefit event, featuring the screening of an award winning documentary about a woman with cancer that had been produced by one of the parents at the school on a very low budget
there was a picture of the woman on the poster and she's bald
I don't know what the precise wording was, but Liv studied the poster very seriously and then turned to her mom and said "mom, I hope you don't ever have to get one of those low budget haircuts"

[Josh]

hey all hows it goin?

[Lori P]

Josh! Where have you been?

[drache]

yeah, Josh
good to see you

[Stefan-A]

I just drove 40km to get a bottle of Coke. :D

I did it again. But this time it was a Coke Light. :D



Anybody here going to celebrate this?
Walpurgis Night - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night)

[Stefan-A]

Thank you and good night. :)

[adamanteus]

Goodnight Mr. A.:D

[anji1971]

I did it again. But this time it was a Coke Light. :D



Anybody here going to celebrate this?
Walpurgis Night - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night)

Well, I'd have loved to celebrate, but it was a bit of a short notice!:D
And you really should buy cases of Coke -- it would really save you money on gasoline!

[adamanteus]

Anybody here going to celebrate this?
Walpurgis Night - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night)

I would do........ but I'm washing my hair.:D

[count dewclaw]

Anybody here going to celebrate this?
Walpurgis Night - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night)


Well, I'd have loved to celebrate, but it was a bit of a short notice!:D



I would do........ but I'm washing my hair.:D

Well, the celebration takes place April 30/May 1....so if you really want to you can...personally, I'm not planning on celebrating. :D

[anji1971]

It sounds like something that could be a lot of fun, but around here, I'd probably be the only one attempting to celebrate it. It wouldn't be quite the same........;)

[count dewclaw]

It sounds like something that could be a lot of fun, but around here, I'd probably be the only one attempting to celebrate it. It wouldn't be quite the same........;)

I know what you mean...I had to read the article to find out about it since I have never heard of it before...I doubt if others near me have heard about it.:D

[anji1971]

Well, that's just it. We'll have to all take a vacation to Finland one year at the end of April, and get Stefan to show us what it's all about!:D

[count dewclaw]

Now there's a great idea! I always wanted to go visit Finland, Sweden, and Norway.

[anji1971]

Me, too. Actually, I've always wanted to live in one of those countries.........I love the north. LOVE it!!!

And now I must go to bed, my husband is bugging me to tuck in and watch Hell's Kitchen with him! G'night all!:)

[count dewclaw]

Goodnight, Anji.:)

[Stefan-A]

And you really should buy cases of Coke -- it would really save you money on gasoline!
Nope. I should stop buying Coke. It's about as expensive as gasoline at the moment. :D

Hold on, I bought this bottle from a gas station. They charged me 2,90€ for a litre and a half. Would be cheaper for me to drink gasoline. :rolleyes:

[anji1971]

Nope. I should stop buying Coke. It's about as expensive as gasoline at the moment. :D

Hold on, I bought this bottle from a gas station. They charged me 2,90€ for a litre and a half. Would be cheaper for me to drink gasoline. :rolleyes:

Good heavens, over here you could buy a case for that price!!:eek:

[adamanteus]

Would be cheaper for me to drink gasoline. :rolleyes:

And probably better for your health!:D

[Stefan-A]

Quite possible, James. :D

Anji, those cases don't last forever. ;)

[anji1971]

Anji, those cases don't last forever. ;)


I know, but at your current rate, it would last a while, and be a whole lot cheaper!!
Can't you just brew some really strong coffee when you need an energy boost?:D

[Stefan-A]

No energy in Coke Light. :D Besides, cold coffee tastes like **** and I REALLY don't need to be more hyperactive than I already am. ;)

[adamanteus]

We had hail-stones the size of peas for a while, but now we're back to steady, persistant, heavy, grey rain. How nice.

[Stefan-A]

It's 19 degrees here, but a bit cloudy at the moment.

[anji1971]

It's only 10C here, but at least it's a beautiful sunny day!

[adamanteus]

I've been messing about with 'PhotoBucket' (never used it before), and with a lot of help from 'The Google Meister' I've been able to upload some video. My problem was my camera records DVD, which had to be converted to video....blah, blah, blah....
Anyway, Stefan sorted me out so if you'd like to watch four and a half minutes of T. s. concinnus doing absolutely nothing at all, here's your chance!:D

Video of T. s. concinnus - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll228/adamanteus_bucket/?action=view&current=none-2.flv)

[Stefan-A]

OMG it yawned! :D

I decided to record a bit as well. :)
YouTube - Faces of Death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2aWLv8RGhE)
Unfortunately I can't focus or zoom while my digital camera is recording videos, so it's not that great. Can't compare it to a real video camera.

[Lori P]

Hi all-- I picked up this guy out of the road on the way home. He's been hit by a car. I called the wildlife rehabbers in my area and there is NO-ONE in our area doing reptile re-habbing!!! The nearest liscensed reptile rehabber is in Northern Va. I'm so surprised!!! I also called to see if my vet could see him but he's out of the office today.

For those of you that know turtles-- are these injuries usually fatal or do you think he has a chance?? The shell is broken just along the front in a couple of places and one front leg appears useless. He is still alive, so I'm looking for an idea of if he could be mended or if he should be put out of his misery.

He is in a small tank, on papertowels, inside of a dark blue tub with a blue heat lamp on half of the tank. So he's dark and warm, for what it's worth. I snapped these pics quick as I didn't want to disturb him more.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/injured_turtle_001_crop.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/injured_turtle_002_crop.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/injured_turtle_003_crop.jpg

Any ideas would be great!!! If he survives the night, I can take him to my vet tomorrow.

[adamanteus]

Nice video, Stefan. You got some really good portrait shots of your vagrans at around the five minute mark. Lovely. Love the title too!:rolleyes:

[adamanteus]

Doubtless you're all wondering how I was able to get such dramatic footage....... well, here's the answer!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//537/medium/camcorder.jpg

[Stefan-A]

Thanks. :)

I don't like what YouTube does to the videos, they really mess up the brightness and contrast. You should see the original footage. :)

[adamanteus]

Repairs to injuries like this are often done with fibreglass..... I don't know, Lori. It looks pretty grim in that second shot. Do you think there might be much internal damage?

[Stefan-A]

James, the lighting was excellent in that video. It took me a moment to realize it wasn't shot outdoors. :D

There's a lot more going on in the radix video, though. ;)

[adamanteus]

Same here! The original is pin sharp, bright, colourful.... but what you get to see on PhotoBucket is a bit poor... it even distorts the image slightly (compressed vertically and stretched horizontally).

[adamanteus]

James, the lighting was excellent in that video. It took me a moment to realize it wasn't shot outdoors. :D

Well, thank you Stefan.:) I hope to improve with practice. I've had the camera about three years, but only really used it for holidays etc.

[Zephyr]

Hmm... Seeing as the shell is part of the turtle's body, and is basically a series of bones, I'd say it can be healed. You'll have to use some sort of EXTREMELY strong bonding agent and re-connect the two pieces of shell, using some sort of siphon for drainage while reconnecting. Keep him VERY sterile. If an infection gets in their he's doomed.

[adamanteus]

I don't think 'home surgery' will work on this one. I think it's a job for a professional.

[Zephyr]

Well, if there's a lacking in professionals, there's not other choice. I believe I've seen this performed on a tortoise before... They used an upper support as well as the bonding. Is he moving or does he seem miserable?

[Lori P]

He does not move. He will relax his back legs and tail out, but then if you go near the tank he pulls them back in. On front leg moves, but the other is limp. His head cannot emerge unless we can move that broken shell.

I have no way of knowing about internal injuries.

What do you think the pain threshold is... think I should put him down or let him seet over night and get him to the vet tomorrow if he's alive... I don't want him to be in agony...

[adamanteus]

Lori, of course he must be in agony. That second picture looks as though there is some organ damage.... I know what I would do. You can't just 'glue him back together'.

[Zephyr]

He does not move. He will relax his back legs and tail out, but then if you go near the tank he pulls them back in. On front leg moves, but the other is limp. His head cannot emerge unless we can move that broken shell.

I have no way of knowing about internal injuries.

What do you think the pain threshold is... think I should put him down or let him seet over night and get him to the vet tomorrow if he's alive... I don't want him to be in agony...IT looks pretty gruesome, but, correct me if I'm wrong, there doesn't appear to be a lot of external bleeding. This may be because it's all internal, or it's just the shell and part of the arm connected to it that's cracked.

[adamanteus]

just the shell.

Kyle, there is no 'just' about the shell..... It's not a lizard in a box......
I don't mean to seem harsh, but to put this one right, you'd have to have a very good knowledge of medicine and Chelonian morphology. The spine is fused to the inside of the carapace...... that is clearly severed. The organs are connected by supportive tissue directly to the inside of the carapace. This guy's in a mess.

[Stefan-A]

I definitely know what I would do. :(

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Lori i would do what james suggested, out him out of his misery

[Zephyr]

I would wait til tomorrow and see how's he's doing. If in the morning he's either dead or in even more obvious misery than he is right now, I would euthanize him.
However, if he's observably the same, you can concur that there isn't a large amount of internal damage. Obviously, if his bodily functions cannot keep him through the night, then there's massive internal bleeding...

[Stefan-A]

Good night, folks.

[adamanteus]

Night Stefan. Thanks for all your help with the video thing.

[Lori P]

Crap. Ok. Jamie is going to shoot him with the shotgun, I can't think of a more instant death than that unless someone has something for me.

Thanks guys... thanks so much. Poor thing, I was really hoping for him.

[Lori P]

Kyle, I hear ya, but Jamie just got home and looked at him and said, oh, there's no way. Crap on a stick. :-(

[adamanteus]

Damned traffic. We have a lot to answer for.:(

[Zephyr]

Shotgun?
Do you have any dry ice you could use instead?

[adamanteus]

I think the shotgun, although messy, will be about the quickest way... he'll just be red mist!
The ice thing will require him to slowly shut down, as he would for brumation... surely speed of dispatch is the most important thing here?

[Zephyr]

I think the shotgun, although messy, will be about the quickest way... he'll just be red mist!
The ice thing will require him to slowly shut down, as he would for brumation... surely speed of dispatch is the most important thing here?Point taken...

[Lori P]

He's gone. It was instant, messy indeed, but that's ok-- he never knew what hit him. Thank you guys SO much for all the help!!!!!!

[Zephyr]

Poor little guy. At least it was a male.

[adamanteus]

I'm sorry, Lori:(. I know we (and especially you) would like to save every creature in need. But sometimes it's just beyond us. I think you did the right thing. We need to recognise when our intervention is counter-productive.

The next needy turtle you happen across will probably become a family pet for the next forty years!:D

[Lori P]

Kyle, I have no idea what sex it was... just called him a he. :-) I'm no turtle sexing expert.

I agree James, at least he isn't still lying on the road with traffic whizzing over him!! We do what we can, right?

[Zephyr]

He was a boy: Check the nails.

[adamanteus]

You did the best for him anyone could have done, Lori.
He was a boy.

[Lori P]

Really?? How do you tell by the nails, you constant wealth of info??

[adamanteus]

Males have long claws on the front legs... for tickling females.:D

[Lori P]

I never knew! I learn something new here every day.... :-)

[adamanteus]

I learn something new here every day.... :-)

We all do, Lori.... that's the beauty of our wonderful forum......everyone of us has something to teach to the rest.:) We're the best.

[Sid]

Sorry there was no saving him Lori. Had such nice coloring. I found my first Spotted Turtle last week and it was in the same condition, so I ended its suffering there and then.

[Lori P]

Sid, I gotta tell you, I was waiting to hear from you... I had this sinking feeling that you'd find this thread and tell me he COULD have been saved... I figured you would have come across this before!! I rarely have found them hit and alive... Usually they are dead when I find them. So, it reassures me again that you agree he was better put down. Thanks.

[Stefan-A]

No problem, James. Glad to help.


Damn, I have to get up in about an hour and a half. I don't think I'm going to get any more sleep before that, though.

[adamanteus]

Stefan, your sleep patterns are so messed up! Maybe you should lay off the Coke and stick with the gasoline!

[Stefan-A]

They're not that messed up, I managed to get about 3 hours of sleep before I wrote that. :D

[enigma200316]

Yeah Stefan, the gasoline will keep ya sleeping good.....hahaha:D

[count dewclaw]

I'm so sorry for you Lori, it is always hard when you want to help, but have to admit they are beyond being helped...

[enigma200316]

You did the right thing Lori, chin up, your a great helper of the animal kingdom..................:D

[anji1971]

Oh, Lori...........the poor guy.:( What an ordeal for both of you!
You did the right thing, as hard as it was. Hugs......

[anji1971]

Stefan's sleep patterns are perfectly normal for a student. It's called the "Get it when you can" sleep method! I remember it fondly...............mothers function on the same one!:D

[enigma200316]

I remember another get it when u can method but thats besides the point................:rolleyes:;):D

[anji1971]

I remember another get it when u can method but thats besides the point................:rolleyes:;):D

Well, sometimes that can help you sleep............:D

[Stefan-A]

I just got another four hours. :D

[anji1971]

Yeah, I'm starting to see the pattern in the times of all your posts. ;)

[adamanteus]

Right, you guys know everything, so help me out with this one......
Today I rotated my triple viv through 90 degrees, to make more space. The thing is, it's very heavy, so it's left a deep 'footprint' in the carpet. How can I lift the pile? Someone told me that if place ice cubes on the flattened area, this will raise it back up.... anyone heard of this? Or got other suggestions?

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//541/medium/carpet1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//541/medium/Carpet2.jpg

[Zephyr]

Ice cubes? I think manually pulling on the fiber would work better.

[enigma200316]

You could always put heavy stuff all over your rug and make it all flat...........:p;)

[adamanteus]

You could always put heavy stuff all over your rug and make it all flat...........:p;)


Genius!:D:D:D

[adamanteus]

I think manually pulling on the fiber would work better.

That would be like 100,000 fibres per square inch..... I don't think I'll live long enough to finish the job that way!:D

[enigma200316]

thought you'd like that.......;), but seriously never heard of the icecube,
I think just pulling on it maybe best but prolly won't work great.....
maybe if you find some hot female rug, it will perk up a bit.......:rolleyes:;):D

[adamanteus]

Mrs Adamanteus is doing her 'thang' with the ice cubes now..... you know what? It's only working!:eek:

[enigma200316]

Mrs Adamanteus is doing her 'thang' with the ice cubes now..... you know what? It's only working!:eek:


Kool, ya learn a new thing everyday!!!!!:)

[adamanteus]

I'll let you know if it works out good.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//541/medium/ice1.jpg

Thamnophis.com........ for all your home hints!:D

[Sputnik]

Blue really is your colour, James! :D

[adamanteus]

It's 'Midnight' by 'Next'.... glad you like it Esther!;)

[anji1971]

So how exactly does this icecube trick work? Do you rub the ice into the pile of the carpet, or just sit them there and wait a few minutes?
I have a zillion and one spots on my carpet that could use this.........

[adamanteus]

We did the rubbing thing... I say 'we' but actually I sat in my high-back leather swivel chair, watching the forum and drinking Australian Shiraz.... magical elves did all the work.;)
Not sure if it's worked satisfactorily yet... we left some ice sitting on it... but it's looking good so far.

[anji1971]

I love how you take part in the household chores, James.........way to give your wife a hand!:D
I must try that next time something needs to be done.........

[adamanteus]

I know I'm a chauvinist... but I don't ask her to go out and work a 10 hour day and bring the money in, and she doesn't ask me to do the ironing. When I'm off work...as I am just now...I join in (a bit). I'm not an idle pig, but nor am I a 'modern man'.:)

[anji1971]

I'm just teasing you James.
We have pretty much the same set-up here. I work (very) part-time, and keep the house running, and the cooking cooked.
I don't ask my husband to do much around here, since he works the 10 hour days. I'm kind of an old-fashioned type of girl myself.

[adamanteus]

I'm kind of an old-fashioned type of girl myself.

Marry me!:D

[anji1971]

I don't think Mrs Adamanteus would like that! Unless she's trying to get rid of you.......

[adamanteus]

D'oh! I forgot about her! My plan is to marry everyone.... eventually.

[anji1971]

That's a lofty goal. Maybe you should join one of those religious polygamist cults. ;)

[anji1971]

Well, I have just been kicked off the computer! My son says it's time for him to play Warcraft, and time for me to bake shortbread.
I guess I know who's in charge around here.........:rolleyes:

[adamanteus]

Catch you tomorrow, Anji.:)

[adamanteus]

Took another 'hit' from one of my concinnus tonight. I'm thinking of naming him 'Stefan'......I like him a lot, but I'm just a little bit scared of him!:D

[ssssnakeluvr]

lol!!! thats funny....I got musked by several of my wanderings during the photo shoot....but didn't get bit!

[Stefan-A]

Took another 'hit' from one of my concinnus tonight. I'm thinking of naming him 'Stefan'......I like him a lot, but I'm just a little bit scared of him!:D
Lucky snake, that's a damn fine name. :D

[Snake lover 3-25]

I NEVER get bit by mine.... i hold them alot though... never even get musked... except when they get out and i find them a day or so later...

[adamanteus]

It wasn't a deliberate bite..... he thought I was a fish....again.:rolleyes:

[Snake lover 3-25]

oooo lol :D

[anji1971]

Hey James! It looks like it's just the two of us online again.............
How's it going?;)

[adamanteus]

Oooops... only just saw your post! Is has been really slow today.
I'm okay. Are you? I guess you're really worried about your snakes.....

[Sid]

Not all alone at the moment, Anji. Hope everything does clear up for your snakes.

[anji1971]

Yes, it would appear there are more of us now!! Thanks Sid for the kind wishes. I think Deejay will be okay, but it doesn't look good for little Stitch. Ah, well.........what can you do?

[Sid]

Well, I had some really good luck today. A neighbor wanted a "snake" removed from his daughters yard. Now I have another gravid female Eastern. Will post a photo as soon as she shed's....very dull looking a the moment.

[Stefan-A]

Aw, crap. Somebody's selling an anery parietalis, but once again it's a bit too far away.

[anji1971]

My home is being invaded!! We have a rather good sized wasp nest up in the attic vent.
I've been collecting quotes from the pest control people, and I was just told something that totally surprised me by one of them.

The receptionist said:
"Well, he probably wouldn't even be interested in doing the job, because it's so extensive, and he'll have to go up on the roof.....that's pretty risky...."

Can you believe it??? Of course it's a big job, and risky. Why the hell do they think we're calling the professionals?!?:mad::confused::mad:
I'm still shaking my head at that one!

[adamanteus]

CO2 fire extinguisher to freeze them..... or move house?

[anji1971]

No, we won't have to resort to moving out!!
I just found a guy who thinks he can do it, as long as his ladder reaches that high. And he's the cheapest quote so far too.
We'd do it ourselves it we could get up there. And if wasps didn't have stingers......:p

[adamanteus]

I saw a neat trick once... it involved a fake tree, a violin, a mule in a stripey suit and a lot of papier mache. Can't remember if it worked or not though.;)

[Stefan-A]

I used the .22 shot shell once. ;)

[adamanteus]

One time at a rather drunken barbecue, a friend of mine tried to burn out a wasp's nest in his garden using a blow-torch. He destroyed his fence, burned his arm (quite badly) and was stung numerous times. Result!

[Stefan-A]

At a drunken barbecue, a friend of mine tried to determine the alcohol content of a bottle of tequila by shoving a lit sparkler into it. Burned his arm (quite badly).

[adamanteus]

I love a good drunken barbecue...... roll on the summer.:D

[Stefan-A]

Too bad there aren't that many people here I'd want to drink with (much less barbecue).

[adamanteus]

I find the more I drink, the more I like the people I'm drinking with! Hic.

[Stefan-A]

Not easy being a control freak. I always make sure I'm sober enough to carry the others home, or if necessary, jump in if they start picking a fight with somebody.

[adamanteus]

You'd like drinking with me then Stefan... I never pick a fight and I don't generally go home!:eek:

[Zephyr]

Oi vay. XD

[Lori P]

Too bad there aren't that many people here I'd want to drink with (much less barbecue).

I don't have a lot I'd want to drink with, but I have quite a list of people I'd like to barbecue... :eek::D

[Stefan-A]

I don't have a lot I'd want to drink with, but I have quite a list of people I'd like to barbecue... :eek::D
Most people on my list are historical people. I have a bone to pick with quite a few mathematicians. :D

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I never pick a fight and I don't generally go home!:eek:

same here, james!!! hahaha

[Zephyr]

Most people on my list are historical people. I have a bone to pick with quite a few mathematicians. :D
Who is this... Pithy-gorus?

[adamanteus]

Speaking of 'the ancients'.... who was it that had a silver nose? Was it Galileo?

[adamanteus]

Time for bed! See you all tomorrow!:D

[Stefan-A]

It's 3:36AM, see you later today. :D Time for bed for me, too.

[Zephyr]

Woo! I'm a daddy! (Again. XD)
Checked my peppered roaches today. The females were looking awfully plump... And next thing ya know, BOOM. BABIES!!! ^^

[drache]

Speaking of 'the ancients'.... who was it that had a silver nose? Was it Galileo?
no - it was the evil villain in a movie titled "Cat Ballou" with Jane Fonda, Lee Marvin, and a drunk horse

[adamanteus]

Molly studies the effects of static electricity!:D

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//537/medium/static.jpg

[drache]

James
you're not having that child plugged into a wall outlet, are you?

[enigma200316]

hahaha...thats cute,but the tongue works better James.......;):D

[Stefan-A]

I need to go to bed early this morning, see you all later today. :)

[enigma200316]

good night Stefan......................:D

[drache]

you know what this is?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2473784546_00ab2faa2b_b.jpg

my nemesis - that's what - the evil poke weed
last year I had some towering above tall people all along these stones

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2473030977_8facebfb68_b.jpg

I dug them out from under that stone plate that's now sunk a little
I've been keeping my eyes on this area and I swear to you, that healthy looking sample on the right was not there last night
I did work on it this morning and this is all I got

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/2473845630_0183dfbebd_b.jpg

and this is where the rest is

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2473023931_11912cc0e8_b.jpg

it's that pale thing disappearing in the dirt under the walkway
and no - I'm not going to dig under there
I'm considering injecting the stump with distilled white vinegar
any thoughts on that?

[count dewclaw]

Looks like a job for "Round-up" to me.

[Stefan-A]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/deathfridge1.jpg

[anji1971]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/thamnoph/photos/deathfridge1.jpg

Did you get tired of driving 40km every few days???:D

[anji1971]

I'm considering injecting the stump with distilled white vinegar
any thoughts on that?

I'd try the vinegar first, if you're not into chemicals. But as LeAnn said, Round-up usually does the trick.
I hate weeds, I fight a losing battle against them every year.
Nice hosta, though!;)

[Stefan-A]

I just eliminated one excuse, I'm still going to go for midnight drives. :D

[adamanteus]

Mmmm...... Mice, peas and Coke tonight then Stefan?;)

Nice Hosta, Rhea.:)

[Stefan-A]

Mmmm...... Mice, peas and Coke tonight then Stefan?;)

Nice Hosta, Rhea.:)
Mouse, beans, corn, peas, two types of chili sauce, teriyaki sauce, pickles, cheddar, sunflower oil, a can of energy drink, a tube of roe spread and four and a half bottles of Coke.. I bet I can make something delicious out of that. :p

[adamanteus]

You could make a very interesting Houmous.

[Stefan-A]

Oh and I also have a kilo and a half of spaghetti, a can of stroganoff, a can of pea soup, a can of tuna, two cans of mackerel in tomato sauce and a third bottle of chili sauce. And a box of Uncle Ben's basmati rice. :D And a bottle of ketchup.

[Stefan-A]

You could make a very interesting Houmous.
Or a very sad meal.

[adamanteus]

My camera broke today, while I was trying to take a picture for the photo competition. It just displayed a message saying 'zoom error'. Nothing I tried would make it work, not even the minor adjustments with the claw hammer that I finally resorted to.
So now I have a new camera.... I haven't tried it out yet (not properly) but I'm hoping it will be a little better than the smashed one...I mean old one!:rolleyes:

[Stefan-A]

Pics! :D ;)

What kind of camera?

[adamanteus]

It's another Fuji.... Finepix S5700. (I can't afford the Canon EOS 400D that I really want, now that I'm 'between jobs')
I think it's a pretty good camera though, excellent (48X) zoom. No doubt you'll get the opportunity to judge it very soon!

[drache]

roe hummous?

[adamanteus]

Pics! :D ;)

What kind of camera?

Here you go, Stefan.:)
Excuse the dirty finger nails!:eek: I've just been digging up worms!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//541/medium/camera.jpg

[Stefan-A]

It certainly seems okay. :)

[Lori P]

Oh Rhea-- poke weed-- the bane of my existance!! We are OVER RUN with it and nothing, nowhere, no how eats that stuff. Not the goats, not the cows, nothing. And it's so pervasive!!! I hear it's good for humans to eat when it's very small... but I figure, if even the goats won't touch it, neither will I!!!!

[Snake lover 3-25]

wait those are mice un packaged above your FOOD!!!!!:( that is grose!!!!

[Stefan-A]

It's just meat.

[anji1971]

HaHa! I didn't even see the mouse in the freezer the first time I looked!
All the bottles of Coke distracted me.........:rolleyes:

Stefan, you really need some veggies and more dairy in that sad little food collection!

[Stefan-A]

I had more dairy and veggies in there yesterday, don't know what happened to it. :D

Seriously, I drink at least a litre of milk a day. :)