2013 Gartersnake baby thread!

[reptileparadise]

Since we´ve got an exciting season coming up this year, why not start a babythread for the garters that will (hopefully) be born this year!


I will try to keep this updated as good as I can and will even try to get all mum's and dads up as well!!!


Any genetic info on the little ones will be there as well (if I don't forget) and I'm offcourse willing to answer all questions! Either on the forum, by email or in person at the Doncaster Breeders Meeting in September!




So far, only one early litter :bash:


Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis "melanistic" X Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis "flame"


Mum
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/tssmel.jpg


Dad
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/flametonguewood_FB_1.jpg


One of the young showing some red already.
Flames are thought to be a line bred trait and all young have varying amounts of red. Some more then others and this will continue to develop in the next months. It could very well be that all will become red.... and it could also be that about half of them stay 'normal'.
ALL young are 100% het. melanistic.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/flamehetmel.jpg


To show you how they can develop, one of last years young, same kind of paring done by another breeder...
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/flame_amazing_FB.jpg


Lets hope I can update this thread soon!!!

[Steveo]

Great pictures, as always!

[reptileparadise]

Time for an update.... three litters today!


First up, only a small one, 7 plus one stillborn.
Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis. Photo's of adults will follow
Mum bred by me, dad F1 bred by me


Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis need about a month before they start showing colour, but with these lines.... Once the red gets true, you will be amazed!
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/tspnorm.jpg


Second litter, a bit bigger with 52....!!! young, one deformed and euthanised and 5 stillborn
Dad is a brother of this guy, just a bit less red
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/flametonguewood_FB_1.jpg


Mum
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/big-sweet-flame-fb.jpg


Baby (these need to gain colour as well...)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/orange-flame.jpg




Third litter is just, I'm still flabbergasted!
Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis, high red flame to high red flame
...63 little buggers, sadly 2 kinked and 1 stillborn


Dad
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/flametonguewood_FB_1.jpg


Mum (got a preggo pic of her as well, showing colour a bit better...)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/fatflame_FB.jpg

[reptileparadise]

And the young....

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/ex-red-flame.jpg

[katach]

Amazing!!

[reptileparadise]

Cheers... Absolutely stocked with the litter of 63.... Never had that many before! I though the 58 from my parietalis was pretty freakish, but this year seems to top that!

[Dan72]

That is a ton of little bellies to fill. Congrats on the litters. The Doncaster show can't get here fast enough for you ;). Also a good thing you got all the new vivs built, didn't take long to fill those.

[chris-uk]

Busy day in the Reptile Paradise. ;)

If the third litter are showing so much colour already you shouldn't have problems finding homes for them. Hell, I could be tempted by one of those, if the missus hadn't already put a veto on any new additions (other than two rescue snakes and an orange female radix). Having a young child puts a dampener on any expansion prospects.

[Tarzier]

Grats on the litter, the babies are so cute.

And yes, I believe 'cute' can be used on snakes. Especially baby snakes(Called scrubs right?).

[gazzamann]

Very nice indeed :)

[reptileparadise]

Up...up...update!!!!


A smaller, but most perfect litter of Thamnophis radix a few days ago!
No stillborn, no deformities, no slugs... Just perfect, big, healthy young!


Mum is a normal radix and dad is a red albino radix.
All young are 100% het. albino and some will display varying amounts of red (erythristic).


Mum
Photo through glass... sorry...
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/thru-glass.jpg


Dad
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/radixredalbinomale.jpg


Young, as like many others, they need a few sheds before the colour start coming through!
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/radix-young.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice radix family. The scrubs are awesome.

[reptileparadise]

Thanks Steve! Didn't think radix would tickle your fancy!

[guidofatherof5]

Every fancy I've got.:D

[reptileparadise]

Tiny update...
One of my Morelia slugged out today, but to make up for it.... A litter of high red Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis was born!


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/thamnieparie.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Sorry to hear about the slugs.
Beautiful little parietalis scrub.

[reptileparadise]

Nevermind that silly red thing... But look at the brother/sister in this pic... That white patch in the neck again! Same as with the littermates of the silver parietalis...

Whats going on here???

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/whitespot.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Beauty, that's what is going on.;)

[reptileparadise]

In the meantime... Three more litters!

Leucistic flame X flame = 100 het leucistic animals with varying shades of red. No high red flames though, which really surprises me!

parietalis het anery het albino X parietalis het albino = slugged out! :(

Parietalis holdback X Parietalis holdback = Silvers, hypo-ish, dark form animals, light form animals and combo's of that! Check out this thread!!!
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/breeding/10416-then-there-new-morph-14.html

[Radix97]

very pretty babies! they almost look like the patterns of a ring necked snake

[mikem]

Sounds like you have your hands full! :D

[reptileparadise]

Aye! Certainly do :)

Colour is coming in on the first litter.... :)

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/het-mel.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

That's it. I'm coming to visit.:D

Awesome snake.

[Dan72]

Awesome. I'm packing a bag with Steve.

[Dan72]

How did you come by your red albino radix? Do you produce these, or it was purchased with plans to produce them in the future? He is amazing.

[reptileparadise]

Lol, you guys are welcome! There's plenty of gardening to do and I need the windows washed!

Speaking about red radix... I've bought hets. quite a few years ago, but they sadly escaped during a holiday. Ever since, I liked m and these where purchased to breed indeed. Just look at 'm!!! :D
Oh... or look at these :)

Male, see previous page...

Female
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/21103_506453559415151_1706071245_n.jpg

Young
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/hours-old.jpg

And two of these white buggers! :)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/witje.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Love those radixes.
They will fit nicely in my coat pocket for the trip home.:D

[Dan72]

:eek: I've got NO problem doing some window cleaning, and would gladly take any of those as payment :D. In all seriousness though, WOW!

[reptileparadise]

Uploaded a couple of vids of them eating today :)


Excuse the unsteady hand!!!


Crazyreptiles.eu youtube channel! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KkhTstZZ78)

[chris-uk]

Uploaded a couple of vids of them eating today :)

Very polite eaters. In that situation my infernalis would have tried to eat each other at least a couple of times in the duration of that video. :) You've got to love the radix attitude.

[reptileparadise]

Almost over....


One of the last litters of the year is born.... Huge babies (except for one, knowing the species, that single one will not make it...)


Very rarely bred over here... People prefer ocellatus....


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/cyrtopsis-1.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome. Looks great.

[chris-uk]

Almost over....


One of the last litters of the year is born.... Huge babies (except for one, knowing the species, that single one will not make it...)


Very rarely bred over here... People prefer ocellatus....


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/cyrtopsis-1.jpg

Gorgeous snakes, especially when they are young and their skin is like velvet. Only problem is their awkward eating cycles.

[reptileparadise]

Came home to a gazillion sheds today... so I feel a strong need to update some of the beauties soon!


Here's one of the lower red flames :)


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/flame-influenced.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Yeah, better to start with the lower end. Putting the best up my be dangerous to our health.:D

[reptileparadise]

It gives you some time to look for your shades! Hopefully I'll find the time in the course of next week :)

The next days will probably be spend taking out sheds, sheds, sheds and perhaps some sheds... pfff...

[guidofatherof5]

It gives you some time to look for your shades! Hopefully I'll find the time in the course of next week :)

The next days will probably be spend taking out sheds, sheds, sheds and perhaps some sheds... pfff...

Stop taunting and teasing us. Post the photos, we can take it......I think. :D

[reptileparadise]

Let me first go full idiot... :)

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/catkin.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

When did you start feeding Tribbles to your snakes?:D

[reptileparadise]

Since I'm single again people have told me there's plenty of fish in the sea... Haven't met even one of those yet, so am converting the garters to vegetarians to increase my odds :) :D

[kueluck]

Snakes on Plan II?? :D
Love those radixes.
They will fit nicely in my coat pocket for the trip home.:D

[reptileparadise]

Snow radix (...not gravid... I thought...) is pacing for two days straight now...

Melanogaster was pacing, has stopped... She should be due soon!

[chris-uk]

You must be nearly all littered out by now Sjoerd?

[reptileparadise]

Aye! Waiting for one still.... :)

For those of you who might have missed it...

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/reptile-paradise/cyrtopsis-kempton.jpg

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Where to is kempton park?

[chris-uk]

Where to is kempton park?
kempton park - Google Search (http://www.google.co.uk/search?site=&source=hp&ei=HNS9Uan_KemX0QW-v4CoCg&q=kempton+park&oq=Kempto&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.0l5.14280.15934.0.19237.7.6.0.1.1.0.380.727 .3-2.2.0...0.0...1c.1.17.mobile-gws-hp.mlBYA29UOQg)

Near Heathrow. Google is your friend young William. ;-) :-p

[reptileparadise]

One more day till I will be knee deep in musk, packing up the babies! Can't wait.......................

[guidofatherof5]

Best of lucky Stinky :D

[chris-uk]

Hope you have lots of pre-orders Sjoerd. More garters coming into the country can only be a good thing. Can't it?

[EasternGirl]

I would love to see pics of those snow radix babies when they are born...I have a male snow radix myself...most docile and loving snake.

[reptileparadise]

Thanks Steve??? They will smell me coming well before they see me!

Chris, its not bad, but its no Doncaster.........

Marnie, no snows... She was mated to a red albino het for nothing. She gave birth to some very small and weak albino's het. Anery. I completely missed them as I only found slugs! They were hidden well and I only found them a week or so afterwards. Doing well now, but dehydrated then.....

[EasternGirl]

Oh...well I'm glad they are doing well now!

[reptileparadise]

I'll still try to grab a few shots soon!

First need to get this Kempton Show thing over with! Taking up so much time! :D