First viv

[rickymar81]

Hey folks this is my first viv its a 10gal tank is there other thing i should add to it?

[guidofatherof5]

Never been a fan of wet/dry enclosure. Scale rot and wet substrate keep me away.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

I'n not sure a tank that small will give the snake a decent humidity gradient and it's likely that skin diseases would result.Which is a shame,as you've done a fantastic job!:)

Maybe if you switched off the water fall this would make a perfect habitat for a small group of Fire bellied toads or a tiger salamander.

[rickymar81]

Thanks I'll get a bigger cage for them.

[guidofatherof5]

Never been a fan of wet/dry enclosure. Scale rot and wet substrate keep me away.

Sorry I was so negative. It is a beautiful enclosure.

[rickymar81]

No worries :)

[rickymar81]

Sorry I was so negative. It is a beautiful enclosure.

no worries

[chris-uk]

It looks fantastic, but I'd have to agree about it being too damp for garters. I favour dry enclosures with a large water bowl and a plastic tub containing damp moss to provide the humid option. If I could build something like that tank, but larger and without the moisture I'd be a happy man.

[Selkielass]

Beautiful set up, but yeah, heavy on the water/ humidity.
I have one vivid set up with bioactive (damp) substrate and hides, but it is a lot larger and the upper reaches near the lights are very dry, and they sun there regularly.
It looks like a little watery paradise tho- is it warm enough for tree frogs?
It would be an awesome humid annex to a larger habitat.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I would love to do a tank like this and put a few nice salamanders and frogs in it! It looks beautiful, but as the others said it would stay to damp for a garter.

[ConcinusMan]

That is a neat enclosure. I know it sounds counter intuitive given the kinds of habitats you find garters in but what others have said is true. Keeping them in captivity is whole different ball game. It's difficult in all but the largest enclosures, to mimic a wetland habitat without causing or encouraging health problems for the snakes and maintenance hassles for the keeper.

While they do need a large enough water basin to fit themselves into for soaking, they will defecate in it often, especially immediately after you change the water :rolleyes: and it will need to be taken out and cleaned often. It's a good idea to provide a damp hide for babies and at shedding time but for the most part think "clean and dry" absorbent substrate and easy, often water changes.

There's plenty of naturalistic options that look nice but also address these issues. Try checking some of them out in the enclosure section of the forum.

If you still plan on getting one or two baby concinnus' they're going to outgrow a 10 gallon in 6 mos or less anyway. They grow extremely fast during their first year (like from 7 inches to two feet in a year or so) and can get quite large.(3-3.5 feet for females) You could use a 20 gallon for a few years but think about perhaps a 55 gallon long size enclosure when full grown if you're keeping more than one. You can keep a few baby concinnus in a 10 gallon to start but like I said they'll outgrow it very fast.

might want to keep that awesome 10 gallon setup for some tropical amphibians instead.

[rickymar81]

[QUOTE=ConcinnusMan;242423]That is a neat enclosure. I know it sounds counter intuitive given the kinds of habitats you find garters in but what others have said is true. Keeping them in captivity is whole different ball game. It's difficult in all but the largest enclosures, to mimic a wetland habitat without causing or encouraging health problems for the snakes and maintenance hassles for the keeper.

While they do need a large enough water basin to fit themselves into for soaking, they will defecate in it often, especially immediately after you change the water :rolleyes: and it will need to be taken out and cleaned often. It's a good idea to provide a damp hide for babies and at shedding time but for the most part think "clean and dry" absorbent substrate and easy, often water changes.

There's plenty of naturalistic options that look nice but also address these issues. Try checking some of them out in the enclosure section of the forum.

If you still plan on getting one or two baby concinnus' they're going to outgrow a 10 gallon in 6 mos or less anyway. They grow extremely fast during their first year (like from 7 inches to two feet in a year or so) and can get quite large.(3-3.5 feet for females) You could use a 20 gallon for a few years but think about perhaps a 55 gallon long size enclosure when full grown if you're keeping more than one. You can keep a few baby concinnus in a 10 gallon to start but like I said they'll outgrow it very fast.

might want to keep that awesome 10 gallon setup for some tropical amphibians instead.[/QUOTE

Thanks for the info on how to keep my snakes :)

[rickymar81]

thanks everyone complements and info

[Natrix]

I think this type of terrarium is more suited to dart frogs etc.. Very nice though ;)

[rickymar81]

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