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hjelte
02-07-2013, 11:48 AM
Hey every one, I´m active on a herping forum here in Sweden, and recently one of the members acquired two young snakes on a reptiles fair. The guy she bought them from wasn´t sure (?!) what type of sub-species they were.
What type of Garter do you reckon this guy is?
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Quite blue/greenish colour on these guys, what do you reckon? Similis?
BLUESIRTALIS
02-07-2013, 11:59 AM
It looks like a baby similis, but baby florida blue easterns and similis look a lot alike. I would say similis but would love to see some more pics. Here is some baby similis for comparison.

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thamneil
02-07-2013, 12:52 PM
I'd be willing to bet that you've got a Florida eastern. Sirtalis, not similis. They have quite a distinct look. Notably, I find that similis have a pointier head than sirtalis. They're usually quite a bit darker as well. Very good looking snake!
MasSalvaje
02-07-2013, 01:15 PM
I'd be willing to bet that you've got a Florida eastern. Sirtalis, not similis. They have quite a distinct look. Notably, I find that similis have a pointier head than sirtalis. They're usually quite a bit darker as well. Very good looking snake!

I second what Neil stated.

-Thomas
BLUESIRTALIS
02-07-2013, 03:04 PM
This is a baby florida blue eastern. Note that the original snake has a well defined lateral stripe. I think it could still possible be a baby similis, but it's hard to tell without knowing it's history or waiting until it gets more size on it. There is also certain locals in fl that are intergrades.


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTi2NINBJpV1myXGb1iLNOUijflZweH0 mwv2wcabmyjEKa0qZxfow
chris-uk
02-07-2013, 04:29 PM
How readily available are similis in Sweden? I'd expect Florida Blue Easterns are more commonly available.
Stefan-A
02-07-2013, 05:28 PM
I doubt they're common.




Why buy garters you can't identify from someone who can't identify them, either?
Lisa4john
02-07-2013, 07:12 PM
Why buy garters you can't identify from someone who can't identify them, either?

Cuz it's purdy! ;~D I don't know what it is but it's a very nice lookin' fella. :)
BUSHSNAKE
02-08-2013, 11:28 AM
it looks like similis to me too, more pictures might help...to clean looking to be sirtalis sirtalis, but it could be
CamillaGrepe
02-09-2013, 03:20 PM
They are my snakes, and it was love at first sight. Thats why! :-))
I doubt they're common.




Why buy garters you can't identify from someone who can't identify them, either?
CamillaGrepe
02-09-2013, 03:26 PM
Some more pics

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CamillaGrepe
02-09-2013, 03:36 PM
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hjelte
02-10-2013, 01:50 AM
Not really available at all I'd say! The only serious breeder here that I know here never did Similis, so if these two snakes
are in fact Similis, I guess they would have to have been purchased somewhere else in Europe before winding up here.
hjelte
02-10-2013, 01:53 AM
No more pictures available yet, but if the buyer posts more, I'll update this thread!
chris-uk
02-10-2013, 02:55 AM
Some more pics

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Welcome to the forum!

What is the melanistic snake that they are with in the photo? They are indeed pretty snakes.
CamillaGrepe
02-10-2013, 04:23 AM
Welcome to the forum!

What is the melanistic snake that they are with in the photo? They are indeed pretty snakes. Thank you!
It's a 1.0 T.sirtalis sirtalis
hjelte
02-11-2013, 02:06 AM
Välkommen Camilla! :)
BUSHSNAKE
02-11-2013, 11:20 AM
the side picture really helps, im going with sirtalis sirtalis aka Florida Blue...keep posting pics as they grow
BLUESIRTALIS
02-11-2013, 11:41 AM
Agreed! Looks like sirtalis sirtalis in the side pic.
the side picture really helps, im going with sirtalis sirtalis aka florida blue...keep posting pics as they grow

Here is a pic of a baby similis for reference.
CrazyHedgehog
02-11-2013, 01:31 PM
Agreed! Looks like sirtalis sirtalis in the side pic.

Here is a pic of a baby similis for reference.

Thought I would also put a pic up of my baby sirtalis so you can see both..
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/IMG_1747.JPG
I thought he might be a similis at first, (and hes very feisty and bitey like a similis!!)
Jeff B
02-11-2013, 09:40 PM
florida blue is my vote. Here is a pic of my girl when she was little.

http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/femalefloridahetalbino.jpg
Kantar
02-11-2013, 09:42 PM
Naming games?! Woo! I love it

Zoltronscale X :D
MasSalvaje
02-12-2013, 09:43 AM
I thought he might be a similis at first, (and hes very feisty and bitey like a similis!!)

My Florida sirtalis is much more feisty than my similis ever have been. It (my sirtalis) is by far the crankiest snake I have had and the other two I got with him weren't much better.

-Thomas
BLUESIRTALIS
02-12-2013, 09:49 AM
I have noticed that too! My florida easterns have more of an attitude than my similis. I don't think my similis have ever tried to bite me out of aggression! I know people claim similis have nasty attitudes, but i have never seen this in any of my wildcaughts or captives.

my florida sirtalis is much more feisty than my similis ever have been. It (my sirtalis) is by far the crankiest snake i have had and the other two i got with him weren't much better.

-thomas
MasSalvaje
02-12-2013, 10:23 AM
I have noticed that too! My florida easterns have more of an attitude than my similis. I don't think my similis have ever tried to bite me out of aggression! I know people claim similis have nasty attitudes, but i have never seen this in any of my wildcaughts or captives.

I will you the word confident to describe my similis. They will bite but they are confident and calculated about it, my sirtalis on the other hand is a thrasher.

-Thomas