Possible Aneries?

[KephrenJorgensen]

So I have 4 ordinoides babies left, and with the mother being melanistic, I assumed that the babies were as well. Now Im having second thoughts. 2 are displaying some form of actual colour other than black and grey, the colors being a reddish brown and a pale tangerine colour, but the other two just have no colour at all, yet they show pattern. I dont know the bloodline of these babies, all I know is that the mother is exhibiting the melanism, and is definitely het for melanism. Is it possible that any of the babies are aneryrithristic? I will be posting more pictures of the 4 babes on Tuesday, Dec 5.

[guidofatherof5]

Looking forward to the photos.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Does anyone know what anerythristic mean?
NO YOUR ORDINOIDES IS NOT ANERYTHRISTIC
In order for something to lack something it has to have it first.
If every ordinoides was red then they could be anerythristic but they are not.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Same here!

looking forward to the photos.

[KephrenJorgensen]

Okay, thank you. Just to clarify, I wasnt stating that they were anery, I was just asking of the possibilities. And considering the amount of erythrism displayed in nearly every ordinoides in my locality that is not melanistic, I would think one could see the confusion. I am definitely intrigued to watch these squiggles grow, so far only one has shed at all since their first shed after birth. They are expanding somehow though, and so cute. I am currently keeping them at my school in hopes of sparking the interest of the younger students. Pictures should be ready later on today or tomorrow.

[Invisible Snake]

Anerythrism

Red pigmentation is not synthesized by xanthophores. Yellow pigmentation in the xanthophores is still present. Additionally, yellow pigments in the form of carotenoids are still retained in the xanthophores. This accumulates with age and may be a major contributing factor in the overall appearance of some animals. Typically, anerythristic reptiles appear as black and white animals, with varying amounts of yellow present.


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[BUSHSNAKE]

Gotta be careful with the black and white statement cuz it doesnt always apply. Melanistic easterns are black and white and so is Steves black and white radix.

[Scott F]

Lets see them, LUV anerythristic snakes.

Scott

[BUSHSNAKE]

Yeah lets see an anerythristic ordinoides

[Artic Exotics]

Id definitely love to see those pics myself.

[KephrenJorgensen]

Here's the pics, lemme know what ya think :)
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I added a picture of the mother too for anyone curious 7607

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful snakes.

[KephrenJorgensen]

Thank you :) the snake in the third picture is the one I am most proud of, it is such a little pig, and everytime I come in the room its the only one out and about. He/she will always be part of my family

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice.;)

[Invisible Snake]

Wish there was a way you could ship them to the states without it costing an arm and a leg =/

[Greg'sGarters]

No, anery snakes must have angry parents.

Btw beautiful snakes!

[KephrenJorgensen]

Thank you Greg, that definitely clears up my questioning. Im interested in seeing how these babes turn out to look in a few months. They seem to resemble one of the three snakes on the polymorphism poster available at herpnation that are from Oregon, being the snake of that area closest to the top of the photo.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

They all look awesome! I love the third one and the mom the best, but they are all great. It may just be the pic, but it looks like the mom may have a little mouth infection.

[BUSHSNAKE]

those babies are melanistics and im sure theyll end up looking just like the mother.

[KephrenJorgensen]

the mom does have a mouth infection, but funny enouhg it she didnt in that picture, and it is on the other side of her mouth, I cant take her to a vet for help because they will just release her, what can I do? The swelling went down some so I figured she might be getting better but I dont want to take any chances

[KephrenJorgensen]

BUSHSNAKE, do you think the yellows in the babies stripes will change into the grey/blues the mom has?

[BUSHSNAKE]

i can not say but it would be cool to see them in a year or so.
you had 9? do you have pictures of the others

[KephrenJorgensen]

I do have pictures of all of them. One escaped, and it was a tan brown with a creamy orange stripe with black checkers. I gave two away, one of which was stripeless and the other appeared to have five stripes. Two passed away, one seemed to have an olive green base colour with cream stripes, and the other was similar to the second picture I posted originally in this thread. I will post them in two posts after this one

[KephrenJorgensen]

The first and last pics are the same snake, and the second and third are the same snake

[ProXimuS]

Very pretty :)

[KephrenJorgensen]

Unfortunately I lost a couple of pictures, but I believe there are pic of 7 different snakes amongst these 10

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful.

[Lisa4john]

Did the first snake in post #11 finish shedding ok?

[BUSHSNAKE]

i love that brown spotless one! and the melanistics of coarse

[KephrenJorgensen]

I just put the first snake on post 11 in a shed box. Hopefully when I get back into the biology room he/she will be all clean :) BUSHSNAKE, which brown spotless one? I believe there are two that could be seen as such. The snake that is clearly not melanistic in any way was actually an olive green that the camera I was using couldnt seem to pick up fully, the photo didnt do the snake any real justice in regards to its appearance in natural daylight. That snake passed away a couple of weeks ago, infact, it ate for the first time, and died before it finished digesting.

[KephrenJorgensen]

The shedder has shed :) he/she is a nice dark brown with a yellowish green stripe that vanishes

[ConcinusMan]

those babies are melanistics and im sure theyll end up looking just like the mother.

I agree. They're melanistic. The degree of expression can vary. Melanistic ordinoides can range from charcoal grey w/ faint pattern, to deep black and patternless.