Expo Houten, Netherlands

[Thamnophis]

Yesterday there was an expo from the European Snake Society in Houten, the Netherlands.

When I went home I was five Thamnophis-specimen richer

At first I went to get the snakes I ordered in advance.


To begin with this one...

A second female Thamnophis sirtalis tetrataenia (so now I have 1.2)
http://www.xenagama.nl/thamnophisforum/Thamnophis_sirtalis_tetrataenia_fons_06.jpg
http://www.xenagama.nl/thamnophisforum/Thamnophis_sirtalis_tetrataenia_fons_05.jpg

[Thamnophis]

Also ordered in advance two captive bred (2006) Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis-black, a male and a female.


The female...
http://www.xenagama.nl/thamnophisforum/Thamnophis_sirtalis_sirtalis_black_01.jpg

The male...
http://www.xenagama.nl/thamnophisforum/Thamnophis_sirtalis_sirtalis_black_03.jpg

[Thamnophis]

And to my big surprise I found a male and female Thamnophis hammondii, capitve bred in 2006 by Steven Bol.

The Female
http://www.xenagama.nl/thamnophisforum/Thamnophis_hammondii_fons_04.jpg

The male
http://www.xenagama.nl/thamnophisforum/Thamnophis_hammondii_fons_07.jpg

[CrazyHedgehog]

cool.....the black versions are my all time favourite!

[Thamnophis]

Black is beautiful :)

[Boots]

You are lucky, I went to a reptile show recently, and there was not one garter snake to be seen. It was like they never existed. Very disappointing!

Jason

[Thamnophis]

This expo was only for snakes.
And for every garter snake there were at least 300 Panterophis/Lampropeltis present. Not to mention the ballpythons, Boa's and venemous snakes.

[ssssnakeluvr]

It's sad...not a lot of garter breeders out here.... We are having our annual reptile expo here in Utah this weekend. Eventually I am hoping to have a booth there, but for htis year I am working at the Reptile Rescue booth. Last year I saw about 5 garters at the expo...i bought a pair of young adult red siders and saw a couple baby plains garters. There was a guy that was sent to me...said he had an eastern that had about 25 babies andhe was looking to sell them. When I found the guy, he said he let the mother go....I looked at the babies, they were wandering garters, local snakes....what a goon! I let h im know they were local snakes and he left.

[Thamnophis]

In Holland we have a few great Thamnophis-breeders and thanks to them there are garters on the bigger expo's.
The only garters I saw on the tables from general snake-sellers were some sirtalis sirtalis, two albino radix (?) and that was all.
So, in Holland there are also not may garters presented.

[knowsnothing]

man i really love the red one, the black is very nice too, isnt that sirtalis-sirtalis the one you said is typical in eastern us?

[Thamnophis]

The black garters are indeed T. sirtalis sirtalis. They (their ancestors) come from the surroundings of Lake Erie. They are kind of common there.

[Cazador]

Many people call that red one the most beautiful garter snake in the world. It's a San Francisco garter snake (Thamnophis sirtalis tetrataenia). It's on both California's endangered species list and the Federal endangered species list. You can't even pick one up in the wild for a picture without committing a felony (literally). They are, however, legal to own and sell outside of the U.S. You just can't transport one out of the U.S. without special permits that only legitimate zoos, etc. can acquire. Many years back a few foreign zoos thinned out their inventory of tetrataenias, which gave rise to their appearance in the pet trade industry.

[Thamnophis]

You can't even pick one up in the wild for a picture without committing a felony (literally).


This is also the case for every reptile and amphibian in the Netherlands.

And yeah, strangely enough you need no permit in Europe to keep thes San Francisco's... :confused:

[jakob lejbølle]

hi everybody

my english is a littel bad i hope you understand

There is a few of people i denmark who is breeding Thamnophis sirtalis
tetrataenia, i know of at lest 4 breeders.
there are so many babies on the market that the price i falling fast, last
year a pair of babies cost about 2500kr thats about 350 US dollar, this
year you can get them for adout 500kr/70US dollar each, so there a
getting cheapper and cheapper every year

here is a link to one of the breeders Reptilia-Denmark (http://reptilia.dk/)

i dont have tetrataenia's myself, not yet at least, but i think that in a
cuple of years, i could find a little room for them :)

now i only have
2,3 Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis "florida blue"
2,3,2 Elaphe dione
1,0 Corallus hortulanus.

[Thamnophis]

Hi JAkob,

Elaphe dione is also a very fine species.
I agree with you that prices are getting lower and lower.

[Cazador]

Hey Jakob,
I love that picture on your avatar. I'm sure it's going to be fun with you around. Also, thanks for the link. It's neat to see what breeders from other countries offer. Regards,
Rick