Thamnophis?? really??

[CrazyHedgehog]

Saw this picture..

http://www.projectmosquitia.com/Thamnophis_sumichrasti_op_800x600.jpg

on this website...

Thamnophissumichrasti (http://www.projectmosquitia.com/Thamnophissumichrasti.html)

thamnophis? really?? I want one!!

[kueluck]

Pretty!!!

[guidofatherof5]

They are awesome looking.

[infernalis]

The head / face / eyes certainly look Thamnophis enough...

[Selkielass]

Hmmm.. the one on the left looks like the head from the right hand picture photoshopped onto the body of a milk or corn or something else banded.

Im probably just too jaded by advertising photo- chopping. I know of no reason for someone to construct a thamnophis hoax site.

[mikem]

Hmmm.. the one on the left looks like the head from the right hand picture photoshopped onto the body of a milk or corn or something else banded.
6937

sorry, I couldn't resist :p Very cool looking garter!

[snake man]

I would also like one.

[RedSidedSPR]

Can't remember the name for the life of me an my second cousin, but I've wanted one for awhile. They're awesome.. Seen that pic a few times but only one that actually colored like that, it's especially cool.

[ProXimuS]

Very cool:cool: I've never seen a garter like that.

[RedSidedSPR]

Hmmm.. the one on the left looks like the head from the right hand picture photoshopped onto the body of a milk or corn or something else banded.

Im probably just too jaded by advertising photo- chopping. I know of no reason for someone to construct a thamnophis hoax site.

No ones more quick to assume shopped stuff than I, but I'm pretty darn sure this guys legit. If I could just remember the freakin name of the species i could show y'all

[guidofatherof5]

I think Joe (BUSHSNAKE) may have had these.

[zirliz]

I wonder what it is , cute looking critter

[ProXimuS]

I think it's just called Sumichrast's garter.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/wiki-discussions/10510-taxonomy.html

Look at post #5. I think it comes from a relevant source....;)

[guidofatherof5]

Thamnophis sumichrasti (Sumichrast's Garter Snake)

[joeyjoe9876]

I remember seeing these posted a while back when I was going over old posts. these are some beautiful garters!

[RedSidedSPR]

I think it's just called Sumichrast's garter.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/wiki-discussions/10510-taxonomy.html

Look at post #5. I think it comes from a relevant source....;)

YES. That's it. Theres been several threads about 'em they definately exist. They're awesome

[norcalj]

Yep, some of those Mexican garters are so beautiful! They look so different from the thamnophis that we have here in the states.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p484/norcalj1/thamnophis-scalaris.jpg

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p484/norcalj1/3795770159_6a87c49587_z.jpg

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p484/norcalj1/4036879448_7c9227a594_z.jpg

[Ctah_Lu]

mi garter is just like the middle one only smaller, Thamnophis Scalaris, its one of the endemic species of Mexico.

[CrazyHedgehog]

OH NO, another to add to my wish list!!:rolleyes:

[Selkielass]

Wow, so they really do have that different patterning?
Very cool. I'm happy to hear these are real.

The intarwebs have made me such a skeptic.

[ProXimuS]

Norcalj, are those your snakes?:eek:

[norcalj]

Norcalj, are those your snakes?:eek:


Don't I wish :(

[Natrix]

http://www.projectmosquitia.com/Thamnophis_sumichrasti_op_800x600.jpg
If my memory serves me right, These are a protected species within Mexico are they not? therefore cannot be held in captivity? I am sure I have read this somewhere. :)

[Ctah_Lu]

Thats right, these are protected species because they are endemic, (i think that everyone here know what this is), and because in Mexico some of this species are endangered due the illegal market or the ignorance of most people who kill them "because they are snakes and snakes are venomous"

*(Yes i have one and i know its against the law but i have some reasons and ill be happy to explain if someone wants to know about, ALTHOUGHT IM NOT JUSTIFYING MYSELF)

[Invisible Snake]

*(Yes i have one and i know its against the law but i have some reasons and ill be happy to explain if someone wants to know about, ALTHOUGHT IM NOT JUSTIFYING MYSELF)

Hey can you please post pictures of yours? :o

[Ctah_Lu]

maybe tomorrow ill upload some, the last pictures that i take from him are very bad, i can tell you for now that it has a green tone on his brown skin

UPDATED:

These are some of the best photos that i can get whit a phon camera (no digital camera, sorry)

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/thumbs/2012-09-30_19-30-48_818.jpg (http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/showphoto.php?photo=11282&title=2012-09-30-19-30-48-818&cat=500) http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/thumbs/2012-09-30_19-31-08_888.jpg (http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/showphoto.php?photo=11283&title=2012-09-30-19-31-08-888&cat=500) http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/thumbs/2012-09-30_19-31-17_849.jpg (http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/showphoto.php?photo=11284&title=2012-09-30-19-31-17-849&cat=500)

[ssssnakeluvr]

the sumicrasts have both patterns...are rare in Mexico. no photo shopping there. there are some awesome looking species from Mexico.... Steven Bol in the Netherlands has gotten (legally) a number of species from Mexico. He has recently gotten some scalaris I believe... Joe would know for sure...I just forgot.

[guidofatherof5]

maybe tomorrow ill upload some, the last pictures that i take from him are very bad, i can tell you for now that it has a green tone on his brown skin

UPDATED:

These are some of the best photos that i can get whit a phon camera (no digital camera, sorry)

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/thumbs/2012-09-30_19-30-48_818.jpg (http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/showphoto.php?photo=11282&title=2012-09-30-19-30-48-818&cat=500) http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/thumbs/2012-09-30_19-31-08_888.jpg (http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/showphoto.php?photo=11283&title=2012-09-30-19-31-08-888&cat=500) http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/thumbs/2012-09-30_19-31-17_849.jpg (http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/showphoto.php?photo=11284&title=2012-09-30-19-31-17-849&cat=500)

Any photos are better then none. Thanks.

[Thamnophis]

This is a real Thamnophis. No photoshop.
These pictures are for some years present on my site, with permission from the maker of these pictures: Carl J. Franklin (Biological Curator, Amphibian and Reptile Diversity Research Center, The University of Texas at Arlington, Dept. of Biology, Box 19498 Arlington, Tx 76019)

He wrote to me that this Mexican species (Chiapas, Queretaro, Tabasco, Puebla, Veracruz) eats tadpoles, frogs, fish, small crabs and small lobsters and soft invertebrates. The species lives mainly in humid mountain forests near streams and small rivers.
There is a red/orange and a brown variety.

[Thamnophis]

Ctah Lu, the snake you're holding in the three pictures is not a T. sumichrasti, but T. scalaris.

Thamnophis scalaris (http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/thamnophis/2011_Thamnophis%20scalaris%20pictures/album/index.html)

[BUSHSNAKE]

Hey Fons...do you think that that snake could actually be T.scaliger and not scalaris?

[Ctah_Lu]

Ctah Lu, the snake you're holding in the three pictures is not a T. sumichrasti, but T. scalaris.

Thamnophis scalaris (http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/thamnophis/2011_Thamnophis scalaris pictures/album/index.html)

Of course its T. Scalaris, i put this here because norcalj put some of T. Scalaris photos and after that i said that i have one T. Scalaris Invisible Snake ask for some photos.

[Ctah_Lu]

Hey Fons...do you think that that snake could actually be T.scaliger and not scalaris?

Which one?, my snake is T. Scalaris, the T. Scaligers skin its kind of grey and the tail its shorter than T. Scalaris

I will try to post some photos that look better.



the sumicrasts have both patterns...are rare in Mexico. no photo shopping there. there are some awesome looking species from Mexico.... Steven Bol in the Netherlands has gotten (legally) a number of species from Mexico. He has recently gotten some scalaris I believe... Joe would know for sure...I just forgot.


Ill like to know how he do it, as far as i know keeping them is illegal but exporting them to Netherlands?