Forgotten species?!

[Reptilia]

So, I fell in love with a blue garter and I forgot its name. Its not a phase of the san Fran, is it like a Florida something?
Still a newb remember! ^.^
also, totally and completely off topic. Does any one know of any rat snake breeders I could get in touch with?
Thanks!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Florida blue eastern (thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis) ?
Florida blue striped (thamniohis sirtalis similis) ?
Puget sound garter (thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii) ?

[mikem]

There's a florida blue phase of t.s.sirtalis and then there's the bluestripe t.s.similis. These two are found in Florida.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Florida blue eastern (thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis) ?
florida blue striped (thamniophis sirtalis similis) ?
puget sound garter (thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii) ?

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Thamnophis fitchi​?

[Reptilia]

I like the t.s. pickeringii and the t.s. similis! it was the similis I had seen that I liked but now I'm not sure between the two,
Thanks for your help!

[guidofatherof5]

No problem. Get them both.:D

[-MARWOLAETH-]

No problem. Get them both.:DThat's odd,Steve telling someone to get something other than radix:);)

[Steveo]

That's odd,Steve telling someone to get something other than radix:);)

I bet he's working on a blue radix line right now :p

[guidofatherof5]

No problem. Get them both.:D


That's odd,Steve telling someone to get something other than radix:);)

No need to rush in. I let the radixes speak for themselves.
Awesome snakes those T.radix.:D

[Steveo]

I like the t.s. pickeringii and the t.s. similis! it was the similis I had seen that I liked but now I'm not sure between the two,
Thanks for your help!

If you go looking to purchase some pickeringii, be sure to specify that you're looking for blue ones... they're not all blue. Some are blue, some are yellow, and some are both (green) :)

[Reptilia]

If you go looking to purchase some pickeringii, be sure to specify that you're looking for blue ones... they're not all blue. Some are blue, some are yellow, and some are both (green) :)

Thanks for that! I'll be sure to remember that for future reference!

[Reptilia]

No need to rush in. I let the radixes speak for themselves.
Awesome snakes those T.radix.:D

No need for someone to tell me to get them! haha, they're already on my list!

[Reptilia]

How easy are they to get a hold of? The pickeringii and similis?

[chris-uk]

How easy are they to get a hold of? The pickeringii and similis?

You can get pickeringii in the UK (or more likely you'll need to look to Europe), I don't think I've seen anyone keeping or breeding similis over here (but I could be wrong).
Sjoerd (Home - www.crazyreptiles.eu (http://www.crazyreptiles.eu)) has blue-phase pickeringii, so you may be able to get some a Donny in Sept.

[Reptilia]

I've already asked Sjoerd if he has any but he said it'll be down to pure luck that he'll have some there :(

[chris-uk]

Keep your fingers crossed and hope for some pure luck, he was the only person I know of that could have helped.

[EasternGirl]

Pugets are really beautiful. If I had room for more snakes right now...I would be asking Mike for a baby. I really love all the blue garters...a blue radix would be sweet!

[Reptilia]

Keep your fingers crossed and hope for some pure luck, he was the only person I know of that could have helped.

Thanks anyway!

[Reptilia]

Pugets are really beautiful. If I had room for more snakes right now...I would be asking Mike for a baby. I really love all the blue garters...a blue radix would be sweet!

I loveblue snakes! i think they're dead funky!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

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Here you go!:D

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Don't forget about the blue axanthic and anery radix!

I bet he's working on a blue radix line right now :p

[mikem]

If you go looking to purchase some pickeringii, be sure to specify that you're looking for blue ones... they're not all blue. Some are blue, some are yellow, and some are both (green) :)

Don't forget the red phase too :cool:

[Reptilia]

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Here you go!:D

Oh wow :eek:
jealous doesn't even cover it! lol. Lucky you :p

[johnc79@hotmail.com]

I saw a pair of stunning Florida blues in Hamm last year. I regret not buying them but they was €170 for 7year old snakes. Maybe able to help you with the pickeringii next year if Sjoerd has none. ;).

[ConcinusMan]

If you go looking to purchase some pickeringii, be sure to specify that you're looking for blue ones... they're not all blue. Some are blue, some are yellow, and some are both (green) :)

Allow me to go so far as to say most of them are not blue at all in the wild, but the blue phase is typically what you see in the pet trade. But just like pickeringii, (puget sound garter) concinnus' (oregon red spotted) have an uncommon blue phase as well: (which are also anerythristic, lacking the typical orange/red and yellows of a normal one)

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/165637xxxx_031_%28Large%29.jpg

[Lisa4john]

I love the blue snakes too. They are all so beautiful. My absolute favorite! I could get only the blues and be very happy. I do not have any yet actually. Hi, I'm Lisa. I'm new to snakes and to the forum. You guys have helped me so much to prepare for my baby. I just want to thank you all. I never thought I'd want a snake... for years my son has wanted a snake, but I've said no, I have never liked other snakes, and still get the willies from most of them, but then he found a garter out by the creek and we tried to keep it last month. We thought it was a girl from a book we have, though it was for corn snakes, I mean a snake is a snake right? ;) ...so we went with that. Her name was Sabrina. We kept her for about 3 weeks or so but we couldn't get her to eat anything. We decided to set her free again. Well, I found this forum after that and was sad we let her go so soon. She was so calm, tame and sweet, so easy to handle. She was about 18 inches long and black with 3 yellow stripes. We thought it was best anyway, because after we had her for awhile we called a few places to find out what we can do for her and found out it is illegal to keep wildlife of any kind around here. We didn't want to worry about that. But we still miss her, crazy huh. We will be getting an Oregon Red Spotted soon. I have a question though. Will my snake be happy and healthy if I only have one? Thanks :D

[EasternGirl]

I really like the blue garters as well. Flames used to be my favorite...and I still think they are gorgeous...but some of those blues really give flames a run for the money.

[Invisible Snake]

I have a question though. Will my snake be happy and healthy if I only have one? Thanks :D

Your garter snake will be fine and healthy living by himself, but be careful they are addictive!

Btw, Hi and welcome to the forum :)

[Lisa4john]

Thanks, I'm excited to get him and hope it works out well. I have to be careful not to get too addicted tho... My hubby only wants one. ;-) Have a great day!

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks, I'm excited to get him and hope it works out well. I have to be careful not to get too addicted tho... My hubby only wants one. ;-) Have a great day!

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//744/inconcievable.jpg

[Lisa4john]

LOL!! Yeah, well you do what you can do, right? :D

[FireRedGarters]

ha steve i love that movie nd by the way a blue radix would be cool

[guidofatherof5]

There are some axanthic radixes out there that are blue.;)

[ProXimuS]

There are some axanthic radixes out there that are blue.;)

:eek: Steve, do you happen to have any of these axanthic radix.....? Maybe one you would want to show us:)

[guidofatherof5]

Yes, I do but mine are true axanthic with no blue.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/8336-b-w-radixes.html

[ProXimuS]

I definitely remember seeing those black and whites. I didn't know if all axanthic radix had blue maybe. I guess I didn't realize the black and whites were axanthic:p

[Lisa4john]

I've heard that snakes are born the same color most of the time and then some go blue as they grow... Have any of you noticed the coloration that seems to change more readily? Thanks :confused: :)

[ConcinusMan]

Blue axanthic T. radix (photo by Jeff Benfer)

http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/Axanthicplains.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

I've heard that snakes are born the same color most of the time and then some go blue as they grow... Have any of you noticed the coloration that seems to change more readily? Thanks :confused: :)

That doesn't apply to all blue garters. Most I think are born blue. I just think that's how the blue concinnus' are. We've already seen one "normal" concinnus fade to anery and turn blue/green. (gregmonsta has one I think)

[Lisa4john]

I like the red spotted too, just curious. Thanks :)