opinion on sex?

[joeyjoe9876]

Planning on expanding my garter collection a bit and before I start housing any more garters together I would like to see if I can determine the sex. don't want any unplanned breeding after all.
Here's the little guy I got back in September took the picture right after feeding so he/she was kinda hard to get a good pic of around the tail area.

Please excuse any hairy legs that may be present in these picutres haha :P

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/joeyjoe9876/e7b93ca0.jpg
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/joeyjoe9876/1de573a4.jpg
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/joeyjoe9876/f7b3eb5b.jpg

I also have another but that one is a bit more fiesty so I'll see about getting tail pics after he/she finishes eating.

edit: Pics of the other snake
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/joeyjoe9876/36ea11ce.jpg
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/joeyjoe9876/05ad39a1.jpg

[MCwyo]

I'm thinking male.

[ProXimuS]

I'm thinking the first is a male and the second is female:confused: Straight tail pics would help if possible.

[joeyjoe9876]

they decided to be a little more cooperative. same order as the first post

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/joeyjoe9876/7d4151ac.jpg
http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j372/joeyjoe9876/2866daf9.jpg

[ProXimuS]

I'm thinking both male now.:p But would like to hear what the other more experienced members have to say...





Edit: No maybe the first is female.....still pretty sure the second is male....We'll just wait and see!!

[joeyjoe9876]

woops, the first pic on my second post is the second garter on my first post and vice-versa. got a little confused haha

[chris-uk]

Second pic in the second post looks male. I'll sit on the fence with the other, but my first instinct was female.

[stevenrudge]

Could do with a side picture just from the vent,to be sure from the pictures you've got l say 100% female

[Wheat]

I'm going both female. No guarantees, I'm kinda just testing myself.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Just to compare http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/breeding/5069-sexing-pics.html

[Mommy2many]

I'm thinking female from the pictures. Any more seasoned forum members chiming in?