Herps in the media

[katach]

Lonesome George Passes On- the Last of His Kind | The Reptile Report (http://thereptilereport.com/lonesome-george-passes-on-the-last-of-his-kind/)

What a terrible loss.

[Stefan-A]

Indeed.

I hope they're saving enough of material to attempt cloning at some point in the future.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Very sad indeed:(

[kerensa]

yes, sad. :(

[guidofatherof5]

What a shame. Guess we are not so intelligent after all.:mad:

[EasternGirl]

Sad news...:(.

[mikem]

Rest in peace, George :(

[snakeman]

The best they can do is clone the.same tortoise.

[Stefan-A]

The best they can do is clone the.same tortoise.
Sucks, doesn't it.

[thamneil]

Oh no! Not George! Today is a very sad day :(

[ProXimuS]

:(:(:(

[nitrogen15]

This guy gives me hope for human-tortoise relations. He set up his own island as a tortoise sanctuary.

86-year-old man turns island into tortoise sanctuary | Grist (http://grist.org/list/86-year-old-man-turns-island-into-tortoie-sanctuary/)

[kueluck]

Very sad to loose another magnificent creature. The fall of man has carried out sadness for a few thousand years but we can't loose hope. Until that day people, until that day.

[Stefan-A]

This thread is now dedicated to herps in the media.

[infernalis]

This thread is now dedicated to herps in the media.

Yeah, I was wondering myself.

It should have been titled "Lonesome George Dies" or something along those lines.

[ProXimuS]

This guy gives me hope for human-tortoise relations. He set up his own island as a tortoise sanctuary.

86-year-old man turns island into tortoise sanctuary | Grist (http://grist.org/list/86-year-old-man-turns-island-into-tortoie-sanctuary/)


That's pretty awesome! I wonder what will happen to the island and tortoises when he passes though...

[guidofatherof5]

Narrow-headed garter threatened.
Wildfire Threatens Endangered Garter Snakes - Gartersnake.info (http://www.gartersnake.info/news/2012/wildfire-threatens-endangered-garters.php)

[katach]

Hope they can save as many as possible and find a good new home for them.

[ProXimuS]

Another endangered garter!?:( I read that they are endangered in New Mexico. Does that mean that's the only place they are endangered in, or is that simply the only place they occur, therefore that being the only place they are endangered?

[guidofatherof5]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/narrow_head_range.jpg

[katach]

Thanks Steve!

[ProXimuS]

I see now, thanks:)

[Invisible Snake]

Autism Society brings snakes to Richmond - Life - Voice News (http://www.voicenews.com/articles/2012/07/19/life/doc500852b606aaa774914316.txt?viewmode=fullstory)

[Stefan-A]

Boffins big blue over little croc | News | NT News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au (http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2012/07/26/312001_ntnews.html)

[ProXimuS]

No way....That's hilarious!:p

[Steveo]

Boffins big blue over little croc | News | NT News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au (http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2012/07/26/312001_ntnews.html)

Wow. I'm glad and relieved that nobody is taking him seriously.

[thamneil]

You beat me to it Stefan! Just saw this. I don't understand why Hoser has an urge to rename everything! The same issues we had were also addressed in the article.

[Invisible Snake]

Boffins big blue over little croc | News | NT News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au (http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2012/07/26/312001_ntnews.html)

Great link lol

[guidofatherof5]

Three Baby Garter Snakes Rescued from Road-killed Mother - Gartersnake.info (http://www.gartersnake.info/news/2012/baby-garter-snakes-rescued-fro.php)

[katach]

What an amazing story!

[Steveo]

Wait, people actually believe that garters swallow their young? ...I've never heard that before.

[Eight]

Apparently so. That is an amazing story.

[mikem]

Glad a few babies made it out alive.

[ProXimuS]

Holy Herpetology! Burmese Python Found With Record 87 Eggs - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/holy-herpetology-burmese-python-found-record-87-eggs-193035561.html)

Holy Herpetology!:p

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for the link.

Only 87. I know a radix that has that beat.:D

[chris-uk]

Holy Herpetology! Burmese Python Found With Record 87 Eggs - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/holy-herpetology-burmese-python-found-record-87-eggs-193035561.html)

Holy Herpetology!:p

I'd just read about this on the BBC website (BBC News - Giant Burmese python caught in Florida (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19252080)) so it's a global story. :)

[Mommy2many]

Wait, people actually believe that garters swallow their young? ...I've never heard that before.

Sometimes I wish I could swallow my young but it wouldn't be for their protection...:)

[Invisible Snake]

Would you eat this Albino Burmese Python? It's sweet and tasty; seriously! (http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/34498/would+you+eat+this+albino+burmese+python+its+sweet +and+tasty+seriously/)

[guidofatherof5]

That is amazing.

[EasternGirl]

I heard about the python too...largest python on record, right? I was under the impression that any larger garter can swallow a smaller garter if in a feeding frenzy and the smaller one is mistaken for food.

Yes...I do believe there are days when I would swallow my son too. :D

[ProXimuS]

Would you eat this Albino Burmese Python? It's sweet and tasty; seriously! (http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/34498/would+you+eat+this+albino+burmese+python+its+sweet +and+tasty+seriously/)

Man!! You beat me to it! I was going to post that:p That cake really is awesome. I would've never guessed it wasn't real.

[Steveo]

I'd eat it, real or cake :)

[guidofatherof5]

My kid's pediatrician comes from Africa, she has told me many times she's eaten large snake.

[Invisible Snake]

Turtle taped to balloons and sent floating over California city. Turtle taped to balloons and sent floating over California city | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/22/turtle-taped-to-balloons-and-sent-floating-over-california-city/) Outrage over 'flying' turtle prank (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1799392977001/outrage-over-flying-turtle-prank/?playlist_id=86856&intcmp=obnetwork) Turtle rescued after tied to balloons and sent flying | thetelegraph.com.au (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/turtle-rescued-after-tied-to-balloons-and-sent-flying/story-fnejo58q-1226456569874)

[Invisible Snake]

Man Bites Snake to Death in Revenge - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/man-bites-snake-death-revenge-154835399.html)

[ProXimuS]

The first one makes me sad:( And the second one is just a little awkward....

[Invisible Snake]

'***** Snake' Discovered In Amazon, Looks Exactly As You'd Think (PHOTO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/04/*****-snake-photos-amazon-brazil-atretochoana-eiselti_n_1742088.html)

[kibakiba]

it looks like an elephant trunk to me, not genitals.

[ProXimuS]

it looks like an elephant trunk to me, not genitals.

Haha ditto! Maybe whoever named that animal needs to see a doctor themselves....

I think he's kinda cute:)

[Stefan-A]

Well, people on facebook were sharing this, so I guess I'll pass it on to you:


Grab-U-One Outfitters could soon take snake grabbin' nationwide - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee (http://www.wmctv.com/story/19467904/grab-u-one-outfitters-could-soon-take-snake-grabbin-nationwide)

[guidofatherof5]

Should go real well with
Redneck Rehab.
Mud Lovin' Rednecks
Hillbilly Hand Fishing
and all the rest of those 10% below plant life I.Q. shows.

[ProXimuS]

Redneck idiots....:mad:

[Invisible Snake]

A columnist writes an article about garter snakes.

I think Garter snakes are still fun to pick up - North Platte Nebraska's Newspaper: Outdoor Sports: outdoors, (http://www.nptelegraph.com/sports/outdoors/i-think-garter-snakes-are-still-fun-to-pick-up/article_b3d1ba8c-3cbb-5cc4-9aa9-e4261be078c4.html)

[guidofatherof5]

For the most part a good article. Thanks for posting it.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=news channel four about copperhead snakes&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CEoQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.discovery.com%2Fanimals%2Fsn akes-virgin-births-120911.html&ei=3CdXUKWsBI_e8ASRpIGwDQ&usg=AFQjCNF0tiDlTCjiK20xwWmD8CyZsD9lBA

[Invisible Snake]

Don't let women read that or else they'll get rid of us!

[ProXimuS]

That's pretty crazy! I was reading it, thinking "It's just like inbreeding with yourself!" And then I read the part that said it's like an "extreme form of inbreeding":p Very interesting.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS COOL TO SEE RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A STUBBED TAIL BUT THEY SAID IT HAS 4 EYES AND 2 TONGUES. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=2 headed snake found in greer sc&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxcarolina.com%2Fstory%2F196 01630%2Ftwo-headed-snake-thought-to-be-found-in-greenwood-county&ei=-n5cUOOlJYKi8AT6_YGgBw&usg=AFQjCNFA6kayFru6bYmT_KhVyZpaggRlrg

[guidofatherof5]

Wow. Very cool.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I have never seen anything like that before. I would have to see it in person or see both tongues working to believe it.

[mikem]

Yea, that's really bizarre, wish there was better footage of the weaker head. I couldn't make anything out from the video.

[ProXimuS]

I agree...I'd wanna see it up close before I believe it for sure. Still super cool!

[GarterGuy17]

Very interesting but as everyone else said I would love to see more of it to really distinguish if its true or not. Great find :)

[RedSidedSPR]

Wut. ._.

[zooplan]

ROFL
We call a report like this an "ENTE"
That´s just fooling!
Well made, thank you for sharing.

[EasternGirl]

I think they need to keep it in something other than a dang cooler and stop dragging the poor thing around for show and tell.

[snake man]

How does it deficate?

[zooplan]

like any other snake.

[jaleely]

hard to tell, but it did actually look like there were crooked eyes and a mouth at the "tail". Also looked like there was a vent near that second head. I wonder. I'd be fascinated to see it in person. and it had been wild, too! Crazy.

[ProXimuS]

Rescued 655-Pound Sea Turtle Released - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/rescued-655-pound-sea-turtle-released-205700818--abc-news-tech.html)
(There's a video at the bottom of the article)
What a big sweetie:) I'm glad they saved him.

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome story. That turtle makes Tank look like a Matchbox turtle.:D

[Invisible Snake]

This link has a slideshow of pictures of the snake, in the first pic you get sort of a close-up of the snake. To me it just looks like the "other head" is nothing more than a deformed tail(?)

Slideshow Landing Page - wistv.com - Columbia, South Carolina | (http://www.wistv.com/slideshow?widgetid=63127)

[Reptilia]

Either real head or deformed tail, its pretty snazzy looking!

[Thamnophis]

I want to see detailed, sharp pictures (ventral and dorsal) before I believe this.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Me too!

i want to see detailed, sharp pictures (ventral and dorsal) before i believe this.

[Invisible Snake]

Rare snake (Eastern Indigo) found on Captiva Island, Florida.

Rare snake found on Captiva - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida (http://www.nbc-2.com/story/19625942/rare-snake-found-on-captiva)

[ProXimuS]

Awesome! I love Indigos:)

[Invisible Snake]

Pet Turtles Blamed for Salmonella Outbreak

Pet Turtles Blamed for Salmonella Outbreak. Crackdown on Kid's Favorite Tiny Pet | Healthy Living - Yahoo! Shine (http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/pet-turtles-blamed-salmonella-outbreak-crackdown-kids-favorite-173200897.html)

[-MARWOLAETH-]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7250209.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8482314.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7250209.stm)

[katach]

BBC Nature - Nature's big picture: Rarest snake (http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/18770570)

[-MARWOLAETH-]

BBC Nature - Boa constrictor snakes sense prey's fading heartbeat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/16580969)

[Steveo]

Snakes in an SUV: Thief steals vehicle full of reptiles - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/18/14530059-snakes-in-an-suv-thief-steals-vehicle-full-of-reptiles)

[Invisible Snake]

More Wolverine frogs! Japanese species uses bony thumb-spikes to fight and hold onto mates | Not Exactly Rocket Science | Discover Magazine (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/10/19/more-wolverine-frogs-japanese-species-uses-bony-thumb-spikes-to-fight-and-hold-onto-mates/)

[EasternGirl]

Is it horrible for me to wish that one of the snakes in the stolen vehicle bites the thief? I kind of had this image of him driving down the road and a big python slithering up to him...lol. I know, I'm terrible...

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow I must be like, beyond terrible. I had pictured all of them.

[EasternGirl]

Ha ha...doesn't surprise me at all, Jesse. But I pictured all kinds of bad things too. It's pretty awful that idiots steal cars in the first place...then you have something like that happen...I personally believe in karma...steal a car with snakes and other venomous critters inside...you're just inviting trouble...and if something happened in which that guy got hurt...I'd say he brought it on himself.

[Stefan-A]

Is it horrible for me to wish that one of the snakes in the stolen vehicle bites the thief? I kind of had this image of him driving down the road and a big python slithering up to him...lol. I know, I'm terrible...
The owner would get sued and pythons, if not all exotics, would be banned.

[mikem]

Unfortunatley, that's most likely true.

[Invisible Snake]

Snakes in an SUV: Thief steals vehicle full of reptiles - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/18/14530059-snakes-in-an-suv-thief-steals-vehicle-full-of-reptiles)

Here is an update to that story.

Three-legged tortoise ‘Stumpy’ among 15 stolen reptiles recovered in Denver | KDVR.com – Denver News, Weather & Sports from FOX 31 News in Denver, Colorado (http://kdvr.com/2012/10/18/three-legged-turtle-stumpy-among-15-stolen-reptiles-recovered-in-denver/)

[guidofatherof5]

He got all his animals back safe and sound.:)

[mikem]

I'm glad he got all of them back alive and well. Nice to have a happy ending :)

[Steveo]

Here is an update to that story.

Three-legged tortoise ‘Stumpy’ among 15 stolen reptiles recovered in Denver | KDVR.com – Denver News, Weather & Sports from FOX 31 News in Denver, Colorado (http://kdvr.com/2012/10/18/three-legged-turtle-stumpy-among-15-stolen-reptiles-recovered-in-denver/)

Good to hear. It's already starting to drop into the 30's at night (high of 70 today but 36 and snow Friday). Can't have herps hanging out in the back of a van in October.

[ConcinusMan]

Awesome. Sounds like the thief merely needed a quick getaway/ride. It's either that, or he was more interested in the contents and when he realized what the contents were...

[Invisible Snake]

Man beats woman with python, police say (http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/free/20121102massachusetts-man-beats-woman-python.html)

[mikem]

why did I bother reading that :(

[guidofatherof5]

In this weeks episode of Croc Killers/Outback Hunters(History Channel) one of the hunters seeks revenge on the croc that killed/ate his dog.
Revenge, that's a good reason. Losers.:mad:

[RedSidedSPR]

Man beats woman with python, police say (http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/free/20121102massachusetts-man-beats-woman-python.html)

What the hell.



Just what the hell.


In this weeks episode of Croc Killers/Outback Hunters(History Channel) one of the hunters seeks revenge on the croc that killed/ate his dog.
Revenge, that's a good reason. Losers.:mad:

Man I saw ads for that I haven't even seen it and that's gotta be the most messed up show. From Steve Irwin to these asshats. How does that happen.

[ConcinusMan]

And how did this dog get killed in the first place. If you travel into a wilderness specifically looking for pit of venomous snakes, do you blame the snakes when your fool *** falls (or your dog for that matter) into that pit and gets bit?

Revenge is no worse than any of their other reasons.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

If I had any hope for humanity I think I'd have just lost it.:mad:

[Invisible Snake]

Snake dies from silicone poisoning after biting model's breast during photoshoot | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366202/Snake-dies-silicone-poisoning-biting-models-breast-photoshoot.html)

^^^ Happened in the Summer

[chris-uk]

Snake dies from silicone poisoning after biting model's breast during photoshoot | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366202/Snake-dies-silicone-poisoning-biting-models-breast-photoshoot.html)

^^^ Happened in the Summer

"Happened"? What a load of balls.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I call bull spit.

[thamneil]

The model had it coming! Pretty sure that the snake lived.

[guidofatherof5]

Yeah but the snake now has puffy lips.

[ConcinusMan]

:rolleyes:

[Invisible Snake]

Diver braves the waters to swim with deadly 26-foot anaconda | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2230499/Diver-braves-waters-swim-deadly-26-foot-anaconda.html)

[guidofatherof5]

What an awesome snake.

[ConcinusMan]

"deadly".... now I wonder how many idiots are going to think that means "venomous"

[ProXimuS]

Wow!

[Invisible Snake]

Croc Jaws More Sensitive Than Human Fingertips (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/11/121108-nile-crocodile-duncan-leitch-science-human-sensitive-touch/)

[Invisible Snake]

9th alligator found on Long Island since September - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/AP9760f7dd39954d3b899cffacc0a31dbd.html)

Not a detailed article, but in Long Island ppl are purchasing baby alligators as pets and when they get big they are releasing them in the woods(?)

[ConcinusMan]

That's been going on for decades and that's what prompted the ban on them in NY. The practice has even inspired a few horror movies.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

BBC News - Reptile traders under scrutiny from animal campaigners (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20238313)

[Stefan-A]

BBC News - Reptile traders under scrutiny from animal campaigners (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20238313)
The 9-minute version:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHcakFUURUA

[-MARWOLAETH-]

7:14 is that Greg!?

[guidofatherof5]

Very interesting. I see the attempts to stop reptile ownership isn't just a U.S. issue.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Very interesting. I see the attempts to stop reptile ownership isn't just a U.S. issue.Aye the idiots are spreading:mad:

[Invisible Snake]

Leapin' lizards! Secret Service mistakes monitor for komodo dragon - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/11/15/Lizards-startle-US-Secret-Service/UPI-75261352995046/)

[Stefan-A]

Correct. Bangkok, the capital of Thailand, is not in Indonesia.

[ConcinusMan]

7:14 is that Greg!?

That is Greg and Karolina. I'll bet there's garters in that box.;)

[SnakesInCoconuts]

I know this isn't necessarily Garter related, but has anyone heard of a new show called "Killer Karaoke"?
Well one of their ideas of entertainment is dunking people in a tub filled with snakes.
...Snakes that aren't aquatic... And that are in ice water.
Not only that but as you can see in this video (Killer Karaoke - Singing, Snakes, and Steve-O - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRlEJqI1mg)) they're probably being subjected to kicks and blows from a flailing contestant.

I don't know too much about this whole show but I do know that what they're doing is completely wrong. There's a petition to sign here (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/305/222/497/stop-killer-karaokes-animal-abuse/) if you'd like...

Just thought I'd bring that to attention.. those poor snakes..

[katach]

Signed. The you tube video looks like maybe the one at the bottom of the tank maybe dead or dying.
Animal cruelty if I ever saw it!

[SnakesInCoconuts]

Signed. The you tube video looks like maybe the one at the bottom of the tank maybe dead or dying.
Animal cruelty if I ever saw it!

It's disgusting isn't it... abusing animals for entertainment. And on top of that it sure isn't helping with the already bad rep of snakes

[ConcinusMan]

I don't care for that website's privacy policy. They're asking for personal information and the privacy policy is confusing and vague. Otherwise, I would sign.

[ConcinusMan]

That is Greg and Karolina. I'll bet there's garters in that box.;)

I just talked to him facebook. yeah, it was a box of garters!

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Changes in the Genus Rhacodactylus | moonvalleyreptiles.com (http://www.moonvalleyreptiles.com/education/changes-in-rhacodactylus)

[ConcinusMan]

From Jason White View Profile: jasonw - Garter Snake Forum (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/jasonw.html)


http://youtu.be/mSAtD5upZEA


LAKE ELSINORE: More than 700 carcasses found at breeding business | Breaking News | PE.com - Press-Enterprise (http://www.pe.com/local-news/riverside-county/lake-elsinore/lake-elsinore-headlines-index/20121214-lake-elsinore-more-than-700-carcasses-found-at-breeding-business.ece)

[Invisible Snake]

Rare Turtles Hatched At Bronx Zoo « CBS New York (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/17/rare-turtles-hatched-at-bronx-zoo/)

I loved going to the Bronx Zoo as a kid, haven't been there in years :3

[Invisible Snake]

Endangered eastern hellbenders bred for first time | Running Ponies, Scientific American Blog Network (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/running-ponies/2012/12/13/endangered-eastern-hellbenders-bred-in-captivity-for-first-time/)

[guidofatherof5]

Very interesting. Thanks for the link.;)

[Invisible Snake]

This is an old one.

7694

"Humans are usually predators, but we can be prey too. The people in a village on the Niger River in Africa were losing fellow villagers at a rapid rate and called in the army, which shot a 7 m, 1200 Kg crocodile."

[guidofatherof5]

That is an awesome animal. Too bad it had to be killed.

[Stefan-A]

This is an old one.

7694

"Humans are usually predators, but we can be prey too. The people in a village on the Niger River in Africa were losing fellow villagers at a rapid rate and called in the army, which shot a 7 m, 1200 Kg crocodile."
I'd say that the crocodile in the picture was around 4 meters. It doesn't look like an old animal at all.

[Invisible Snake]

I'd say that the crocodile in the picture was around 4 meters. It doesn't look like an old animal at all.

Sorry about that, I was referring to the article. I remember reading it in the past and just yesterday I saw it being shared on FB so I posted it here to share with you guys.

[ConcinusMan]

I thought he meant that the story was old, rather than the animal, and it is. As far as the details go, I wanted to check and see if it was just another hoax and found this:

"There is no reason to doubt the authenticity of the photograph itself, although details about where, when and why it was killed and its exact length and weight remain unconfirmed. The crocodile is almost certainly not as large as claimed in the message. Perspective and the relative position of the people posing behind the crocodile probably make it appear significantly larger than it really is"

I think I have to agree with Stefan's estimate of around 4 meters.

[Stefan-A]

Sorry about that, I was referring to the article.
Yeah, I know. I meant that if it's 7 meters long, it should be quite old and could be expected to look old. Big old ones tend to be a lot bulkier.

[ConcinusMan]

Especially if they're fed a steady supply of villagers. :rolleyes:

[Invisible Snake]

New lizard species found (Science Alert) (http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20121812-23924.html)

New lizard (skink) species found in Australia

[ConcinusMan]

Handsome little fella

[ProXimuS]

Aw that's really cute:)

That crocodile is kinda crazy.

[Invisible Snake]

Pink iguana discovered on Galapagos - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/galapagos/4126490/Pink-iguana-discovered-on-Galapagos.html)

New species of Iguanas

[snake man]

Thats really cool.

[mikem]

College student's turtle project takes dark twist - Yahoo! News :( (http://news.yahoo.com/college-students-turtle-project-takes-dark-twist-182457207.html):mad:

[guidofatherof5]

Dark twist indeed.

[Stefan-A]

Someone I'm subscribed to on YT did the same experiment with plastic snakes, but he removed the video a couple of years ago.

Wouldn't mind a whole lot if someone happened to plant plastic turtles with nails in them.

[Invisible Snake]

Unwanted guest in Florida picnic area is a 17-foot Burmese python (http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/50499/unwanted+guest+in+florida+picnic+area+is+a+17-foot+burmese+python/)

[ConcinusMan]

Seems wasteful if it isn't used for something. Skin is definitely useful and I have to wonder if the meat is any good.

[Selkielass]

It's hard to find hide processors in the u.s. anymore, let alone ones that will handle small, specialty orders at a price anyone but trophy hunters will pay. Horse hide for sporrans is very hard to get. Shepherds I know who want to have the hides of animals slaughtered for meat have fewer and fewer onions.
Nearly everyone today is at least a bit uneasy about having a slaughterhouse or tannery in their town.

[snake man]

Did you read below the video? "The python hunt referred to in the CNN report is the "2013 Python Challenge (http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/44924/florida+issues+a+call+to+arms+to+help+remove+invas ive+pythons/)," a month-long hunt that kicks off Jan. 12. The inaugural program, in which hunters armed with firearms and machetes will kill as many pythons as they can, is an attempt to dent the population of the invasive reptiles, which threaten native wildlife.

Burmese pythons, which prey on small mammals, birds, and even small alligators, are prolific breeders and prevalent throughout the Everglades. They're believed to have been introduced to Florida, initially, by pet owners who turned the snakes loose when they outgrew their pens. Burmese pythons can no longer be acquired as pets in Florida, and it's illegal to transport the reptiles across state lines."

[Selkielass]

Sorry about side tracking.
Im in favor of control of invasive species- but I like to see these programs run efficiently, humanely and without waste. That's difficult on soooo many levels.

[guidofatherof5]

Seems wasteful if it isn't used for something. Skin is definitely useful and I have to wonder if the meat is any good.

My kid's pediatrician is from Africa and says she has eaten python many times. She's not a snake fan.

Guess I should say she's not a live snake fan.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

In Austrailia they sometimes turn the cane toads they catch into fertilisers.I wonder if Florider could do that with the burms.

[ProXimuS]

Mass. man beat his girlfriend with pet python, then tossed animal in hot tub, killing it: cops - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-beat-girlfriend-python-cops-article-1.1196439)

What a horrible death for this poor thing. I wouldn't doubt that he died before being thrown in the water....

[ConcinusMan]

I think that one was posted a few pages back. Yeah, it did die, that's why the headline says "killing it" ;)

[ProXimuS]

Yes, but I was stating that I'm guessing the snake died before it was thrown in the water, because the article claims it was killed by being thrown in the hot tub. I'm sure the beating alone killed him. I just saw it on the news last night, so not sure how old it could be.

[katach]

» Breaking News: United States Herpetoculture Alliance, Inc. Herp Nation Media – Reptiles Amphibians Herpetology Husbandry (http://www.herpnation.com/hn-blog/hnm/breaking-news-united-states-herpetoculture-alliance-inc/)

[snake man]

Looks like they are going to do some good things.

[Invisible Snake]

» Herp Nation Radio Special Report – 480 Pythons Fire - Herp Nation Media (http://www.herpnation.com/audio/herp-nation-radio-special-report-480-pythons-fire/?simple_nav_category=audio)

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I hate to hear this.
» herp nation radio special report – 480 pythons fire - herp nation media (http://www.herpnation.com/audio/herp-nation-radio-special-report-480-pythons-fire/?simple_nav_category=audio)

[mikem]

I was just reading about this. Terrible :(

[Invisible Snake]

Mother Saves Daughter From Python In Bed (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/mother-saves-daughter-from-python_n_2424507.html?ncid=webmail25)

[ConcinusMan]

Glad it ended well for her, and the snake.

[Stefan-A]

Glad it ended well for the snake.

[guidofatherof5]

March 2013 Reptiles magazine has a good article on the Smooth Green Snake (Opheodrys vernalis).

[chris-uk]

Snake on a plane:

BBC News - Snake clings to Qantas plane's wing during flight (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20975601)

[Invisible Snake]

"When we think of venomous snakes we do not typically think of garter snakes, but they do in fact have very mild venom proteins. Interesting article that discuss this phenomenon."

CITY ROOM - No Need to Fear That Garter Snake - NYTimes.com (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A05E3DA1131F933A25755C0A9649D8B 63&ref=snakes)

7946

[Invisible Snake]

Tortoise survives for 30 years locked in storeroom - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tortoise-survives-for-30-years-locked-1556432)

[snake man]

March 2013 Reptiles magazine has a good article on the Smooth Green Snake (Opheodrys vernalis).
I read that it was very intresting, I really like thise snakes.

[guidofatherof5]

I read that it was very intresting, I really like thise snakes.

They are. A snake I will always admire from afar.

[ProXimuS]

Tortoise survives for 30 years locked in storeroom - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tortoise-survives-for-30-years-locked-1556432)

Wow...Poor little tortoise. I wonder if she'll have any health effects, or possibly stunted growth because of this?

[Stefan-A]

Tortoise survives for 30 years locked in storeroom - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tortoise-survives-for-30-years-locked-1556432)
Calling BS on that one.

[chris-uk]

Calling BS on that one.

But of course it's BS... It was reported by The Mirror (quality journalism).

[Stefan-A]

Had it been reported in the Daily Mail, I'd be calling BS on the existence of tortoises, storerooms and Brazil.

[ConcinusMan]

Tortoise survives for 30 years locked in storeroom - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tortoise-survives-for-30-years-locked-1556432)

Wow that's incredible! They've had termites and condensation for 30 years and the house is still standing?:eek:

I had a northwestern alligator lizard that survived in a reptile tank in my garage without food or water for a full year. He was weak and emaciated but he recovered.

[Invisible Snake]

New gadgets are opening windows on reptiles (http://theconversation.edu.au/new-gadgets-are-opening-windows-on-reptiles-11322)

[Invisible Snake]

Venom: The Bite That Heals - Pictures, More From National Geographic Magazine (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/venom/holland-text)

[Invisible Snake]

Therapy Snakes to Treat Depression | The Herp Alliance (http://herpalliance.com/2013/02/02/therapy-snakes-to-treat-depression/)

[StrmChasr]

Therapy Snakes to Treat Depression | The Herp Alliance (http://herpalliance.com/2013/02/02/therapy-snakes-to-treat-depression/)

Animals are defiantly a great way to help people with depression.

[snake man]

Philippine town mourns largest captive crocodile - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/philippine-town-mourns-largest-captive-crocodile-005603826.html)

[chris-uk]

FBH Show Doncaster Inside Out 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvEjLcWLAhU)

BBC documentary following the Doncaster reptile breeders meeting last September. It's reasonably well balanced and the anti-reptile loons don't come off particularly well.
Greg - 7m 18s.

[CrazyHedgehog]

FBH Show Doncaster Inside Out 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvEjLcWLAhU)

BBC documentary following the Doncaster reptile breeders meeting last September. It's reasonably well balanced and the anti-reptile loons don't come off particularly well.
Greg - 7m 18s.
Was just going to say I'm sure tha's Greg at 7min 20s

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, it is. This was posted/discussed back in December, in another thread.

[ConcinusMan]

Rare fungus kills endangered rattlesnakes in southern Illinois | News Bureau | University of Illinois (http://news.illinois.edu/news/12/0221fungus_MatthewAllender.html)

[Invisible Snake]

IUCN - Almost one in five reptiles are struggling to survive (http://www.iucn.org/about/work/programmes/species/?12086/Almost-one-in-five-reptiles-are-struggling-to-survive)

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Snake Island To Be 'Bombed' With Poison Mice (http://news.sky.com/story/1055575/snake-island-to-be-bombed-with-poison-mice)

[ConcinusMan]

In other news, stocks soar for major manufacturers of acetaminophen products such Tylenol after reporting record sales :p

[ConcinusMan]

Disturbing! Latest US news, world news, sport and comment from the Guardian | guardiannews.com | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2013/feb/20/snakes-indonesia-in-pictures#/?picture=403932148&index=0)

[-MARWOLAETH-]

The problem is the stupid cows that want these sort of things.If there was no demand these people wouldn't be doing this.

[chris-uk]

The problem is the stupid cows that want these sort of things.If there was no demand these people wouldn't be doing this.

I would say that hopefully some of them would see how those snakeskin handbags are produced and not buy them. Unfortunately I don't think that thought enters the mind of most women who carry a snakeskin bag.
And in fairness, it's not just women and handbags, I expect that there are a number of equally vain men wearing snakeskin shoes, belts and jackets.

There was a worse article in The Mail recently:
From slaughterhouse to shop-shelf: Inside the factory where snakes are killed, skinned and turned into handbags | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277475/From-slaughterhouse-shop-shelf-Inside-factory-snakes-killed-skinned-turned-handbags.html)

It uses the same photos from Reuters, but surprisingly The Mail actually managed to add some words to the pictures.

[Selkielass]

I'd rather see the invasive snakes in Guam being made into leather.
But then im not against responsible and scientifically managed hunting or harvesting of any animal. Id just like to see it well thought out and in the best long term interest of the animals and habitat.
Sustainability is a hard grail to chase, but a worthwhile one, I think.

[Steveo]

I'd rather see the invasive snakes in Guam being made into leather.
But then im not against responsible and scientifically managed hunting or harvesting of any animal. Id just like to see it well thought out and in the best long term interest of the animals and habitat.
Sustainability is a hard grail to chase, but a worthwhile one, I think.

It was always funny to me that you could import a live snake (with all of the possible ecological impacts), but not the skin of a dead one. Or when your pet snake dies, you can't turn it into a belt.

I bet if we allowed people in Florida to turn the invasive pythons into boots they'd be able to remove a lot more than by holding a "whacking day" style competition.

[Selkielass]

Confuses me too.
First time I heard about rattlesnake events I thought it could be a good thing- then I found out none of the proceeds go into maintaining habitat or studying population levels in order to maintain a healthy population level or prevent overharvesting.
Feh. Where's the balance point.

[ConcinusMan]

It was always funny to me that you could import a live snake (with all of the possible ecological impacts), but not the skin of a dead one. Or when your pet snake dies, you can't turn it into a belt.

That's because it leaves a wide open door for people to easily circumvent the purpose of the ban.

[Invisible Snake]

Development-snagging snake due to come off protected list : Ct (http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/development-snagging-snake-due-to-come-off-protected-list/article_9506454e-8526-11e2-9dbd-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz2MrAdmeQq)

[ConcinusMan]

And a fat kickback / campaign contributions from developers to follow I'm sure. That's something that's very wrong with our system. It isn't run by politicians or the people at all. It's run by the corporations that provide the fattest checks.

[Invisible Snake]

Snake starts house fire after woman tries to burn it (http://now.msn.com/snake-starts-house-fire-after-woman-tries-to-burn-it)

[Selkielass]

Just heard a bit on the radio about a woman who set a snake near her house on fire with gasoline. Fire coated snake flees to brush pile. Brush pile catches fire. House catches fire. Entire house burns.
Revenge. Ow.

[Stefan-A]

It's a shame she wasn't in it.

[Selkielass]

On lunch now. Found it.
Snake burns panicked woman's house to the ground after she doused it with gasoline and lit it on fire | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297740/Snake-burns-panicked-womans-house-ground-doused-gasoline-lit-fire.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Stupid Cow.I hope she continues playing with fire :mad: ...or that the least,learns her lesson.

[guidofatherof5]

Check this out. A two headed common snapping turtle.

Two Heads Are Better Than One? | The Reptile Report (http://thereptilereport.com/two-heads-are-better-than-one-2/)

[Steveo]

Not so common, eh?

[Invisible Snake]

Neil found this 1

Affection for garter snakes costly for young Alaskan -- and government | Alaska Dispatch (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130508/affection-garter-snakes-costly-young-alaskan-and-government)

[guidofatherof5]

The Lacey act is on the march.

[d_virginiana]

Found this the other day and thought it was neat.

Not sure where I stand on licensing the snake as a service animal (for the animal's safety more than anything else... I personally wouldn't blame it for biting someone who acted crazy because they saw a snake, but authorities definitely would) but I thought this was pretty interesting. I really hope they study this instead of just writing an article and going 'Awwwww!'. It might change the way cruelty laws are (or, more accurately; aren't) enforced for reptiles.

Pet Boa Constrictor Predicts Seizures, Saves Owner's Life (http://www.takepart.com/blog-series/paw-and-order/2012/01/31/boa-constrictor-predicts-seizures-saves-mans-life)

[Steveo]

This has been making the rounds: Snake opens door in scary viral video (http://now.msn.com/snake-opens-door-in-scary-viral-video)

I think it's rather commendable that they give a snake that size room to roam. Most would put it in an 8x10 box and be done with it.

[mikem]

that's a hard hit it takes after opening the door :(

[d_virginiana]

Hahaha, I was flipping through channels and happened to see Fatal Attractions on Animal Planet. I saw some pretty snakes onscreen, so I watched for a few minutes. Then I realized I had met this guy probably ten years ago and visited his serpentarium! From what I remember it was a very nice facility. I just thought it was funny to see someone on that show I recognized.

About Cape Fear Serpentarium (http://www.capefearserpentarium.com/about.html)

[ConcinusMan]

I just thought it was funny to see someone on that show I recognized.

Well, I've seen Greg McKenzie-Milne (Gregmonsta) on something about reptile shows, and Don Belnap's wandering garters on Animal Planet-Infested, so it was bound to happen to you sooner or later.

[jwolfe152]

Police find body lying 'among 50 snakes' - The Local (http://www.thelocal.de/society/20130529-49979.html)

just happened across it was interesting

[ConcinusMan]

As if they would automatically swallow him if they could. :rolleyes:

[EKS56]

Wow... :(

Python suspected in boys' deaths in Canada - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/world/americas/canada-snake-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

[chris-uk]

Wow indeed. And condolences to the family.

It's so unlikely that a constrictor would escape and travel upstairs and kill one child, let alone two. A large African Rock Python (which is what the BBC is reporting, although earlier reports suggested it was a boa) would be capable, but killing two children doesn't seem likely behaviour, they don't kill for fun, if it did kill one of them you'd expect it to have attempted to swallow him rather than attack the other.
It's possible that the boys woke up with the snake in their room and tried to play with it and both were constricted at the same time because the snake was far to large for them to handle. It's also possible that something more sinister occurred and that the snake is being used to cover up a crime. There's now facts available about the incident yet, but it will be interesting to see how it pans out and the repercussions on exotic pet owners.

I find it odd that in the UK you need to be licensed to keep venomous snakes, crocodiles and various other animals that are dangerous. But anybody could buy an anaconda, reticulated python or afrock without any controls, although until now incidents involving large constrictors are almost unheard of.

[EKS56]

I had the same thoughts. One maybe, but two?

[chris-uk]

The Australian has the fullest quote from an expert - Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/escaped-python-kills-two-sleeping-boys-in-canada/story-e6frg6so-1226691816527)

The article on the BBC website is the currently the most read news item, although I've not seen anything on the TV news yet -
BBC News - Snake 'strangles two children' in New Brunswick, Canada (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23583116)

[EasternGirl]

I actually just posted something about this on the "Oh so quiet" thread. I agree, my first thought when I read the news article on the incident is that something sounds off. I mean, I have certainly heard of people who own retics having incidents in which the snake did try to constrict...and it took several people to pull the snake off...but that usually happens when an owner is holding a very large snake. I'm not sure why a python would just go into a house and kill two sleeping children. Was the snake starving or something? Were the kids covered in rabbit? It's a little odd...but I guess it could happen. Also, if this guy owns an exotic pet store...why didn't he have this snake secured properly? One funny thing, my son and mother ran up to me as soon as I woke up and told me a snake ate two children...I was like "What???"....it actually swallowed two children? Then, I read the article.

[EKS56]

@ Chris, kinda what I was thinking.

David Rogrigue, director of Montreal's Ecomuseum Zoo, told Agence France-Presse news agency that this attack was "difficult to believe... very, very extraordinary, and very improbable".

[guidofatherof5]

I find it hard to believe also. Something doesn't seem right.
Sorry, retired cop coming out.

[Stefan-A]

Waiting for the bodies to be examined properly. So far the whole case smells.

[ConcinusMan]

As if they would automatically swallow him if they could. :rolleyes:


Wow... :(

Python suspected in boys' deaths in Canada - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/world/americas/canada-snake-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

And suddenly, something I said last summer becomes the ultimate ironic statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry about it. :confused:

[EKS56]

@ Steve... As Chris mentioned earlier. Snakes don't kill for fun.

[guidofatherof5]

@ Steve... As Chris mentioned earlier. Snakes don't kill for fun.


I'm a little lost here. Why was this directed to me?

[chris-uk]

I read a more recent report that's saying the snake was kept in the apartment. It wasn't kept securely, as evidenced by it being out of its housing. Whether that's the only thing that has been confused by the media remains to be seen. Apparently you already need to have a permit for an afrock in the province and the owner didn't have one. The case smells fishy, but time will tell how fishy.

[jwolfe152]

no way it happened like that. a few questions was the boys in the same bed or separate or maybe in the floor being as they was at a friends house? had the kids been in the pet store holding and rabbits or other prey items the snake could pick up on? in 12 years of this guy owning the snake how many times had it got out that we don't know about? and have they looked into any other people as possible suspects? hell someone could have let it out into the vent knowing the kids held other animals know what might happen, only because as many others have said this seems very improbable.

[EKS56]

Steve, for some reason I thought it went well with this post. If the snake was not killing them to eat them then the snake had no motive. Hence, unlike humans, "Snakes don't kill for fun".

"I find it hard to believe also. Something doesn't seem right.
Sorry, retired cop coming out"

[EKS56]

It'll be interesting to hear what the facts are. What I have heard to this point don't add up.

[ConcinusMan]

@ Steve... As Chris mentioned earlier. Snakes don't kill for fun.

But they (pythons) have killed, and do kill, for reasons other than hunger.

While they shouldn't be so quick to condemn the snake, don't be so quick to defend it. It wouldn't be the first time a large python strangulated a person but didn't swallow him/her. We shall see what the autopsy results say. Personally I think it's just flat out stupid to own a snake capable of this and it wouldn't break my heart one bit if private ownership of such an animal was banned globally. Rock pythons specifically, are banned in many places and for good reason. And apparently the law doesn't allow this owner/store to have or sell anything that gets bigger than 3 meters. Had they followed the law those boys would still be alive.

[guidofatherof5]

Steve, for some reason I thought it went well with this post. If the snake was not killing them to eat them then the snake had no motive. Hence, unlike humans, "Snakes don't kill for fun".

"I find it hard to believe also. Something doesn't seem right.
Sorry, retired cop coming out"

I see the connection now. Thanks.

[thamneil]

Hey all. Been a while since I've posted. This is all over Canadian news. They've literally aired this story all day long. From what I've gathered, the snake was about 14 feet, and allegedly weighed 100lbs. The kids had spent time with animals that day. I believe they were at a petting zoo, and I remember something about a llama. "Experts" say that the snake escaped from the neighbouring apartment, crawled through a vent, and attacked both children because they smelled like prey. The children were found with bite marks, and autopsies will be done.

I believe this is the first case of a snake killing two people. Quite interesting, as rock pythons have killed and eaten large animals, and even humans through their native range. Very sad that such a thing had happened, and gives us herpetoculturalists a negative appearance.

[jwolfe152]

But they (pythons) have killed, and do kill, for reasons other than hunger.

While they shouldn't be so quick to condemn the snake, don't be so quick to defend it. It wouldn't be the first time a large python strangulated a person but didn't swallow him/her. We shall see what the autopsy results say. Personally I think it's just flat out stupid to own a snake capable of this and it wouldn't break my heart one bit if private ownership of such an animal was banned globally. Rock pythons specifically, are banned in many places and for good reason. And apparently the law doesn't allow this owner/store to have or sell anything that gets bigger than 3 meters. Had they followed the law those boys would still be alive.

yea your right but like thamneil said they was at a petting zoo and probably smelled like prey. that snake doesnt know they are kids they just smelled food. and the whole cant understand people that want an animal that could do this, im with ya on that especially if your breaking the law by doing it. then to have it unlawfully and not keep it on lockdown is just beyond STUPID hell that guy had at least some idea the capabilities of the snake.

But what i dont understand is how a snake that size could get into the ventilation in the first place. i mean dont they keep covers over ventilation openings in canada or was there no cover on the vents in the entire building. probably 99% of vent covers are kept secured by screws(at least the ones i have seen) how could a snake even get a cover off from the outside? or even inside the vents would it not make a lot of noise trying to get it off, or am i missing something here?

[thamneil]

I can't comment on the ventilation, but I can comment on the legality of the python. While that area does have a by-law prohibiting the possession of this species, I believe this animal was grandfathered in. The snake belonged to the owner of a reptile shop, and was being kept legally as far as I know.

[EKS56]

That's a pretty good sized snake.
A man's gotta' know his place. I better stick with my Blacknecks.

[ConcinusMan]

I've always heard "but there are plenty of responsible people that own pythons" My response has always been "there's nothing responsible about owning an animal that can eat you or your neighbor's pets and children" and I still stand by it. Nobody but zoos and institutions should be allowed to have a snake like this and they should all be required to have RFID chip if not GPS or remote activated radio transmitters in them. Enough is enough.

[EKS56]

This is getting stranger by the day. CNN article states that the snake fell through the ceiling into the room where the boys were.

[ConcinusMan]

Whatever. Doesn't really matter. The snake lived in the same building and got to the kids. Doesn't really matter much how it got there. It obviously wasn't enclosed securely. That's the snake owner's responsibility. How could someone be so stupid. You just don't get complacent knowing full well the snake is capable of killing a person.

[EKS56]

A lot of question marks out there right now. I'm holding out for the autopsy.

[d_virginiana]

One thing that ticks me off is that the guy's petstore had been closed down before for improper conditions (which goes hand in hand with improper housing). They JUST seized over 16 illegal large reptiles including several crocodilians and large tortoises as well as other large snakes. Why was this guy even still in business? There were petitions which have been closed down since the incident to get the store closed for improper housing and inhumane conditions.


I would support a permit program that involved inspection of the enclosure and ID-chipping, but not a ban. My worry is if you ban any animal that when kept or socialized improperly could harm a child, you open a totally new can of worms. I mean, house cats kill more children by smothering them in their sleep than big snakes. Mounties have already had to respond to panicked calls about a neighbor's 4ft. escaped ball python!


If someone could find a story of a properly contained constrictor killing a human then I'd consider supporting a ban. The other high-profile snake attacks (in the US) involve really stupid caging conditions. Like the guy who used a 26lb weight to hold the top on the tank, and the snake got out and killed his young nephew. Or the pregnant woman (police were able to respond and save her and the baby) who let the snake FREE ROAM. Or even the guy who fell into his severely malnourished snake's cage with a near-lethal combination of alcohol and cocaine in his system. Letting people who keep snakes like that cause a ban, IMO, is like letting Michael Vick cause a ban on dogs over 50 pounds.


Plus, with the numbers already in the pet trade, IMO a ban would only create a pretty big black market, not end ownership.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

BBC News - UK zoo creates a skink to save rare lizards (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23616760)

[guidofatherof5]

Was at a yard sale this morning. This Coleman camping table caught my eye.
I didn't have a camera with me until I bought the Sony they had for sale(needed it for my youngest).
This is only the second time I've seen a garter snake used in advertising.
Here's a link to the first.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/6531-uhaul-t-s-parietalis.html

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//821/garter_table1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//821/garter_table.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

That's weird. I mean, why?

[EKS56]

Is it a picture or have they got the poor thing stuck in a plastic bag?

[ConcinusMan]

LoL. it's a photo. I'm just not clear as to why they used the image of a garter snake on the packaging of a camping table.:confused:

[guidofatherof5]

Wilderness/wildlife-garter snakes-camping. I get it.:D

[guidofatherof5]

Is it a picture or have they got the poor thing stuck in a plastic bag?

Now that's funny.

[ConcinusMan]

Wilderness/wildlife-garter snakes-camping. I get it.:D

Yeah when the family went R.V. camping in 2011 we went a bit early (late May) and the weather was crap. (Thunder storms hail/rain heavy at times) On the last day we had some sunshine and about 9am while sitting around the camp fire a huge blue concinnus slithered right up into camp to warm up by the fire! The campers next to us were totally freaking out and screaming because snakes were on their site too. I told them they could shoo them our way. They are welcome in my camp any time. :D

We've been going later in the summer since then but by then conditions are dry and hot. Don't see a single snake anywhere around there in those conditions.:(

[jwolfe152]

BBC News - Germans hunt turtle after attack on boy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23664554)

all for a single turtle, lets just hope they dont find a mating pair

[ConcinusMan]

I doubt any turtle attacked a boy in the first place. More likely the boy was messing with it and the turtle defended itself. :cool:

[jwolfe152]

Woman Orders a Dishwasher, Gets a Complimentary Snake - Reviewed.com Dishwashers (http://dishwashers.reviewed.com/Features/Woman-Orders-a-Dishwasher-Gets-a-Complimentary-Snake.htm?utm_source=outbrain_recirc&obref=obinsite)

[ConcinusMan]

Haha.. that's funny. article says it's a garter snake but it isn't. It's a California Whip Snake. (Masticophis lateralis)

[jwolfe152]

well at the bottom there is a guy who said it was a California Striped Racer Coluber lateralis lateralis - California Striped Racer (http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/m.l.lateralis.html) thats what it looks like to me but i dont remember if they said where this happened