Flame Gene

[RedSidedSPR]

How does the flame gene work? Like what do you breed to get them? Can you breed a normal eastern to a flame and get flames or just flame+flame. Etc etc

Thanks

[snakeman]

It's always best to have two high end flames to breed together.the amount of color the babies will have vary.usually the ratio is pretty even.all this het flame crap you see in some ads is bull.some babies from flame breedings will have no color.those babies are het for nothing and will not produce flames.the more color the better with flames.

[snakeman]

I didn't answer you r question.yes, you can get flames from flame to normal.but depending on the color of the flame your results will vary.if it's a low end.the babies won't have much color.

[thamneil]

Does erythristic work the same way? I'm getting some flames and erys in the near future and had the same question.

[snakeman]

Yes, very similar.they don't show much at
birth though.

[RedSidedSPR]

Good to know. That helps a lot, thanks.

I'm about to buy a female of some kind for future breeding, trying to decide which of my males to work with first. I'm thinking my flame.

[RedSidedSPR]

Reviving this thread to ask a few more questions..

First, I apparently failed to mention originally, my flame is an erythristic flame, the genes work about the same, correct?

Also what happens when you breed a flame of some sort to some other eastern morph like say, a melantistic? Or an albino.

Branching off that last question, as greedy as this sounds, what are some of the more profitable eastern morphs, produced by/with a flame as one of the parents, or both parents. just for the hell of it

Just thinking future breeding here, the next few snakes I buy are going to be with breeding in mind. Money wouldn't be my biggest motive, and won't decide what I breed necessarily, but I'd like to make some buck of something in the next few years

[BLUESIRTALIS]

First off is your ery/flame possible het for albino? Im asking because i know you got it from scott and a lot of his ery/flame babies were possible hets.

[RedSidedSPR]

.. I honestly don't remember, at the time I didn't really have any breeding plans, didn't care too much about that.. I want to say yes, but I don't remember exactly.

I'll figure that out though

[BLUESIRTALIS]

If it is het for albino which would be the schuett albino you could breed it to a schuett albino and produce albino flames and ery albinos. If it is not het you will get flames, ery's and normals that are 100% het albino.

[twgrosmick]

If it is het for albino which would be the schuett albino you could breed it to a schuett albino and produce albino flames and ery albinos. If it is not het you will get flames, ery's and normals that are 100% het albino.

If it is HET albino you can also get albino ery flames :)..... I would personally breed to an albino. Melanistic will destroy the flame and ery gene and it won't show, so there is really no potential going that route. Your best option would be breed to an albino and hope for the genetics to play out in your favor.

[RedSidedSPR]

I see.. And you're referring to a simple albino eastern being bred?

I like the possibilities there. Thanks

[BUSHSNAKE]

this litter is flame x wc normal

[Steveo]

Wow. Very nice. Love those codominant genes.

[BUSHSNAKE]

mother and baby at couple months old

[BUSHSNAKE]

oops....the mother

[BUSHSNAKE]

flame x "erythristic"

[twgrosmick]

flame x "erythristic"

haha Joe if we wouldn't have talked I wouldn't find the quotes around erythristic so funny

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow, them's nice... Awesome results with the flame x normal, and the "ery" lol. Good to know, thanks for those

[ConcinusMan]

They're laughing at your ideas Joe. But then, the entire scientific community laughed at the guy who first proposed that craters on the moon were caused by impact events.:rolleyes:

[d_virginiana]

Jesse, your flame is 50% poss. het albino. He and Harley were from the same litter :)

I'm hoping to mate her with the albino male I got this summer eventually. He has some really nice reds and yellows on him, so I think I'll see some nice bright reds, even if Harley isn't het.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks! Didn't think anyone would know after Scott failed to remember.

[Frenchie]

Snakeman here is a pic of a nicely selected example of the "Flame" colour..C:\Users\Public\Pictures\25671_38377857219 6_6525209_n.jpg

[chris-uk]

Snakeman here is a pic of a nicely selected example of the "Flame" colour..C:\Users\Public\Pictures\25671_38377857219 6_6525209_n.jpg

We won't be able to see the pictures on your hard drive. You need to either upload them (for example to Dropbox or any other online file share, and set the sharing permission to public) or you can attach to the post using the icon in the toolbar that looks like a tree in a picture frame.

[ConcinusMan]

That made me laugh Frenchie. Thanks.:D

[reptileparadise]

...remind me to comment on this once behind a pc again.... I'm finding flames to be very interesting after having a couple of young with HUGE variety!

[reptileparadise]

Oooookidoki...

This year I've paired my flame males (one very red, one normal red) with

A) melanistic female, not known to be from flame lines
B) normal flame female, red belly, black top.
C) pretty red flame, red belly, red showing at scale spread, red lateral.

A x pretty flame gave all VERY light babies. All very greenish and small amounts of red, or should I say orange... All are washed out and I'm VERY keen to see them develop.

B x pretty flame, big litter, a bunch of normal, a bunch of yellowish animals, orange animals and very very red ones. Cool stuff, although I did not expect the (pretty high) amount of normals from this pairing. I was thinking that red+red would give red to very red animals.
Its only an estimate, but I think ca. 25-35% is normal/yellow and in total, about 50-60% has LESS red then either parent!!!

C x pretty flame. Most anticipated. Same as above, but no yellow animals. Normals, orange and very very red! All in all, about 30% normal, 10% orange and the rest minimum as red as either parent or BETTER.

I'm keeping close track of these guys, as I'm certain things can be done with this.... I just need to figure out what!