WC albino vagrans

[Joshua]

Hi all,

Just wanted to share this albino T. elegans vagrans. It's a wild caught female from northern Utah. I'm in the process of getting a locale specific group together to make more. Sorry about the tweed background... it's hard on the eyes...

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/206023_4160545772241_1241956105_33858243_352648522 _n.jpg

[katach]

She is beautiful!

[Ameivaboy]

Very Nice Josh - good to see you with something a lot cooler than those diamond pythons lol :)

[Invisible Snake]

Awesome find!

[zooplan]

Very nice, what is her size. The background is cunfusing my eyes.

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice. Best of luck with the future the breeding.

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[BUSHSNAKE]

very nice

[Joshua]

Thanks. Zooplan, she is about a foot long, probably a small two year old, judging by when she was found etc.

[Joshua]

Thanks guys. She's a very small two year old, judging by her size when she was found several weeks ago.

[guidofatherof5]

Can you post another photo showing relative size?
So you're in Utah now or Maine?

[-MARWOLAETH-]

lovely looking vagrans.

[ssssnakeluvr]

beautiful snake! where in Utah was she found???? Inquiring Utah minds want to know..... and go looking for another!!!!! :cool:

[Joshua]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/382422_4166798528556_1241956105_33862437_844540938 _n.jpg

And here she is with another female from the same spot.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/577628_4053564977788_1241956105_33801536_76467264_ n.jpg

[Joshua]

The battery is a standard AA size.

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for posting those other photos.
Any chance we can get an underside tail photo.
I just want to be sure of the sex.
Did you say this snake is 2 years old?

[Joshua]

It's estimated to be two years old based on the size when it was found. I'm pretty sure it's very near the same age as the normal pictured with it. It was found mid-spring, and is too big to be a 2011, so I am assuming it's a small 2010.

[BUSHSNAKE]

i would guess that shes from last year

[Invisible Snake]

I can't wait to see what kind of babies she produces.

[Joshua]

That was my original thought, but being that close to Idaho, I would think the winter is longer, giving her less time to get that much size before hibernation. Then again, I'm not all that familiar with the climate of Northern Utah..

[BUSHSNAKE]

good luck with her, hope she produces hets for you....try fall breeding with this species or just keep them together till they produce:)

[ssssnakeluvr]

they come out early in spring ond go into hibernation late in fall.... have had a few found here in SLC in November. she is probably a yearling from last year.

[mikem]

Very cool albino! Best of luck with future breeding :cool:

[thamneil]

Really different looking albino. Best of luck keeping the strain alive!

[Joshua]

Thanks all!

[Spankenstyne]

Neat looking albino, best of luck with it. Very cool to find one in the wild.
How certain are you of the sex? I would have actually guessed male from the top view of the tail, but just based on the pics available and no for sure reference point of the vent so it might be deceiving. I wonder if Steve was thinking the same thing asking for an underside pic.

[Joshua]

I'm 98% sure it's female, but I'll check again eventually.

[Spankenstyne]

Either way it's a great find.

[Joshua]

It's a male... thanks for making me doubt myself enough to confirm lol

[Joshua]

The normal is definitely a female. Guess I lucked out more than I thought.

[Scott F]

Sweet find, much different look than other albino wanderings that have been found in the past. Good luck with him !

Scott

[BUSHSNAKE]

The normal is definitely a female. Guess I lucked out more than I thought.
lol, i would say so

[EasternGirl]

Gorgeous albino! I really love the pattern on his head. Good luck with future breeding. Fantastic find.

[Invisible Snake]

Hey any updates on the WC albino vagrans? Pics would be nice too :D

[ProXimuS]

:eek::eek: I've never seen an albino vagrans!! That is aaaawesome:D

[Joshua]

They're doing great. After treatments, the fecals are clear, and they're annihilating F/T pink and fuzzy mice off forceps.

They've proven hard as hell to photograph, but I'll see if I can get some reasonable shots this weekend.

[Joshua]

Here's the albino male. The normal female is not being at all cooperative. Even though I didn't use flash and the sun was setting, this pic still looks washed out. This photography thing just isn't my forte, I guess :)

http://www.captivebredsnakes.com/images/vagrans_m_20120714.jpg

[Invisible Snake]

Thanks for the update and wow he looks amazing!

[kibakiba]

Is he missing the two scales on his head? Or is it just his colouring?

[mikem]

Beautiful! Looks like his coloring Chantel. :cool:

[Joshua]

Yes, just his colouring. The female had a perfect shed, but he still has a few stuck scales here and there. Now that they're feeding regularly and all that jazz, he should shed again in no time and then hopefully it will be smooth sailing for many years to come.

[guidofatherof5]

Good looking snake. Best of luck with future breeding.

[setfree]

very nice find! Good luck!

[kibakiba]

I was just asking since it looked like it and Richard's Amy was born without the middle scale on his head.

[Joshua]

Update pic after a shed. The lavender is pretty neat. He wouldn't stop moving for a full body pic.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/603510_4448398248373_1970412611_n.jpg

[Joshua]

And another, since he decided to sit still.

http://neprop.servehttp.com/images/vagrans_m_20120729a.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful.

[Invisible Snake]

He looks great!!