Albino Florida Blues!!

[candoia aspera]

After what seems years of waiting (three months) my Florida Blue gave birth this morning. So far 13 babies 2 of which are albinos!!!!! I'm so chuffed and there seems to be many more babies to come as she's still as big as a house.
I don't think this is a UK first but it's certainly a really rare occurrence.

Going to get the photos of the little wrigglers when she's popped them all out. Mum is so chilled she was climbing up my arm as she popped a little one out lol.

[ScimitarX]

Wow, big congrats! Will be eagerly awaiting the pics :D

[Selkielass]

Ooohh! Fantastic!
I hope she keeps on w the easy delivery of healthy young.

[guidofatherof5]

Great news. Looking forward to seeing the little scrubs.

[gazzamann]

good stuff cant wait to see the pics

[katach]

That's amazing news, congrats!

[Thamnophis]

Congratulations!!

[gregmonsta]

Congrats ;)

[reptileparadise]

Congrats!
When its true florida blue albinos, it might just be a first in the UK?!?!

[Invisible Snake]

Congratulations!

[ProXimuS]

Wow! I can't wait to see what an albino florida blue would look like!!

Congratualtions:D

[Eddie]

That is awesome news! Florida blue albinos in the UK.
Good luck with them.
Ed

[candoia aspera]

Pics as promised 53965397539853995400
so first three is of the little wrigglers complete with the albinos and fourth pic is mum and last pic is dad. It's het to het breeding so all the normal looking will be 66% het albino.

[candoia aspera]

Congrats!
When its true florida blue albinos, it might just be a first in the UK?!?!

I was thinking that too but this guy announced on RFUK in April of this year that quite a few years ago he imported Albino Florida Blues and bred three generations before selling them to a German breeder. I'm not sure that this can be used as conclusive proof to his claim. He also seems to lay claim to a paradox or reverse calico line of Albino Florida Blue in this post. Not use if this is allowed but here's the link to the thread in question Any ideas on this? - Reptile Forums (http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/snakes/832631-any-ideas.html)

[ScimitarX]

They are just gorgeous. Congrats again! :D

[-MARWOLAETH-]

tidy looking little worms:D

[guidofatherof5]

Those are some great looking scrubs.

[Dan72]

Very nice, congrats on the litter.

[chris-uk]

Albinos always look better alongside their normal siblings.
Whether these are a first for the UK or not, they are still fine looking snakes. Keep us updated as they grow, will be interesting to see how the colours develop. Steven sometimes posts on here, just reading the RFUK thread it ended before he said what his herp friends thought the genetics were for the snakes in the photos - there were a couple of guesses, but no real conclusion.

[katach]

Beautiful litter! Congrats!

[candoia aspera]

Albinos always look better alongside their normal siblings.
Whether these are a first for the UK or not, they are still fine looking snakes. Keep us updated as they grow, will be interesting to see how the colours develop. Steven sometimes posts on here, just reading the RFUK thread it ended before he said what his herp friends thought the genetics were for the snakes in the photos - there were a couple of guesses, but no real conclusion.

Exactly Chris, Florida Blues were always on my list of ones to buy and when my wife went to the Hamm show and called me to tell me that she had not just located Florida Blues but they were het for albino I just had to have them. It was only when i started to look into it a bit more that i stumbled upon that post and to be fair it confused the heck out of me lol. What i did find is that a clutch this kind in the UK is very very rare and i was never that in to UK firsts anyway and just wanted to do it for me anyway lol.
We're going to hold back an albino and one of the possible hets to see if we can't establish a line of Albino Florida Blues here in the UK as the only other person I've seen with them is Dr Alan Francis.
So i'll keep everyone up to date with the ones that i don't part with.

[gazzamann]

so is there a chance of a sale then lol :pwould love a floride blue , im form north east too (middlesbrough).

[Invisible Snake]

Beautiful little scrubs. May I ask how old were the parents?

[Chondro788]

The FL albinos are known to show some extent of paradox in their pattern. This becomes more noticeable as they grow.

[chris-uk]

The FL albinos are known to show some extent of paradox in their pattern. This becomes more noticeable as they grow.

Useful information Jason. Are they relatively common in the US? I find the paradoxes to be quite curious, if the snake is lacking the genes to express melanin how do they then produce an atypical black pattern? More research needed when I have time.

[thamneil]

Great looking babies! Congrats on the albinos!

[Jeff B]

great looking litter, congrats. Still waiting for my florida albino to do something.

[Eddie]

I have 4 Florida blues that are like stuffed sausages lol. I should have a BUNCH of albinos soon. Some of the snakes from this line are heavily paradox and some not at all.

[candoia aspera]

Beautiful little scrubs. May I ask how old were the parents?

I could only really guess to be honest. When i got my grubby mits on them they were sub adult and they got picked up at June's Hamm show from a German breeder who was going to keep them but needed pennies for another project that he was getting into. Out of curiosity i'll have to dig out the paperwork and find out who it was.
I then spent most of last year getting the weight on the female.

[Chondro788]

Useful information Jason. Are they relatively common in the US? I find the paradoxes to be quite curious, if the snake is lacking the genes to express melanin how do they then produce an atypical black pattern? More research needed when I have time.

It is fairly common with the FL albinos, but as Ed said, some have paradox, others do not. I have no idea how this works as far how melanin is expressed with an albino specimen, someone much smarter then me may be able to explain how. :D Ed (and others) have done a great job making the FL albino more common in the US, however, they are still one of the more rare forms of albinism currently available. I really like them, they are beautiful snakes, as are the hets! And their voracious appetites along with some attitude, make them one of my favorites.

[candoia aspera]

It is fairly common with the FL albinos, but as Ed said, some have paradox, others do not. I have no idea how this works as far how melanin is expressed with an albino specimen, someone much smarter then me may be able to explain how. :D Ed (and others) have done a great job making the FL albino more common in the US, however, they are still one of the more rare forms of albinism currently available. I really like them, they are beautiful snakes, as are the hets! And their voracious appetites along with some attitude, make them one of my favorites.
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Fantastic to know about the paradox, just looking at the albinos eyes i can see some black pigmentation around the edges of their pupils and i was wondering what the heck that was all about lol.

[EasternGirl]

Gorgeous scrubs you have there! Congrats!

[mikem]

Congrats!! They look great :cool:

[scorpion0151]

awsome little snakes, would be good to add an albino to my Florida group :p Last time I spoke to Dr. Alan Francis he said he doesn't deal in albinos anymore because he finds the natural colours more appealing.

[candoia aspera]

it's update time, i've kept one albino back and two poss hets back and this is the albino after shed 2

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The first pic i tried to get a picture of it's eyes as it already seems to be producing some melanine. This one is eating like a pig on wormies and fish.

[candoia aspera]

this next set are of the 66% poss het albino Florida blue. Lovely cheeky chap comes complete with massive appetite too
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[ProXimuS]

Lookin good! They do look like they're been eating well;)

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice.

[scorpion0151]

I love the albinos :)

[katach]

Those are amazingly awesome!

[EasternGirl]

Gorgeous snakes! And for the record...I love albinos too! I think they are just gorgeous...and I love the pink eyes...creeps some people out but I think they are stunning! Hermes, Possum, and Little Joe agree. :D

[candoia aspera]

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I've decided to call this little one Ronin and it's got one hell of an appetite. It's the same albino that I've been using for all the photos and this is her (hopefully) after shed number 3.

[guidofatherof5]

Good looking little scrub. Love that head pattern.