Canadian Shipments from the States

[Light of Dae]

Reptile Express is having a sale (ya'll know how much I like sales) on shipments from the USA to CANADA!!!!!!!!!!! See this Link >>> Non CITES Import/Export (http://reptileexpress.com/noncites/)
Who Wants to pool an order together n save some money? Come on Canadians? Whose got the Garter bug?

[Dan72]

Awesome! Funny. I paint Warhammer models (anybody?), and the company was founded on the other side of the pond as the saying goes. There are certain models in the hobby that can only be ordered from the England branch of the company, so the hobby shop I buy my models from places a big group order twice a year to split costs. I was thinking of similar tactics for some UK breeders when they prove out what they're working on. Raise the battle cry to all the Iowa forum members.

[thamneil]

Im so in! Are we actually going through with this? Pm me and let me know the details. Im willing to go all out on this one :)

[kimbosaur]

I'm down! Judy (dieselbaby) was planning an import with them this summer. I'm not sure if she'll want to just join in because she wanted to play it safe and handle things on the money end herself, but she was open to having other people join in on her purchase (with Scott). I'll e-mail her this thread. The more people, the more we can save!

There was also another group buy on reptiles Canada with Scott as well.

[thamneil]

This is getting exciting! Who else is in? Im dieing of anticipation over here. Calling dibs on the three melanistic easterns! I love reptile express <3

[Light of Dae]

I had been emailing Scott about shipments to Canada and he said he was going to get me in contact with a groupe of other but it never happened... I don't blame him for loosing track of emails n people he is talking to, I know I would if I had that many snakes n babies everywhere! Either way I got an email from reptile express saying there was a sale... Couldn't help myself! lol

[thamneil]

My house is going to get a serious "flood" of cool garters in the near future! Cant wait! Better start filling up my piggy bank!

[Philminator]

this sounds amazing but I'm broke for the next 4-5 months, after that I'm going to have some serious cash to splurge on getting a variety of garters and if garters can be shipped cheap over the border without hastle? that would rock

[Invisible Snake]

Scott updated his website and it now reads:


*** Attention Canadians - I am working on a large order
to Canada. The more people that pool in, everyone
saves $. Please email for details and pricing ***

[Light of Dae]

Well it sounds like it will be easier then it used to be, as well (looking at the link) this sale will be on again in august Phil.

Can everyone give me a rough estimate of how many snakes they would be getting?

[Light of Dae]

I alone would want up to eight little ones.
1.1 anery plains
1.1 axan plains
0.1 red showing red plains
1.0 red plains
1.1 erythristic extreme red easterns

That is my wish list. I figure go big or go home?
...
I'm going to be so broke...


Ahhh....
All for the love of garters!

[Light of Dae]

... I think I got a thing for these Radixes... lol

[chris-uk]

... I think I got a thing for these Radixes... lol

Steve will be impressed. He'd be more impressed if you added a couple of bog standard, out of the box, beautiful radix to your order.
And assuming Scott's Lake Cuitzeo Gaters produce I'd recommend that you add at least one of them to your order.

Go on, you know you want to. :)

[dieselbaby]

Scott gave me a heads up about this thread. Im willing to go in with someone from this forum if they want to handle things, I havent had much luck getting people added to my order. I just didnt want to join someone elses order on another forum whom i had not even a conversation with. If you can get it done cheaper for me im in for my two blue pugets, or if you want to join my order either way im game. I know now i cant do it on my own, my vehicle broke down and i had to buy another pick up that depleted my saving so if i can save a couple hundred bucks by getting in with your shipment and not miss out on my two blue pugets im game.. I have had previous dealings thru nick with reptile express and believe they can get the job done.

sorry i not been around much, if it werent for bad luck i would have none at all this yr lol i swear..

[EasternGirl]

I think most of money money has gone to my snakes over the past two years. An addiction will do that to you I hear....:D.

[dieselbaby]

hahahaa i hear ya, i really really want those two pugets lol and i been racking my brain on how to get the 800 it would take to do it on my own since i had no 100% committments from others. I even put two of our ponies for sale to pay for them lol so yeah i thinks i been bitten...

[thamneil]

Im going for:
1.3 melanistic easterns
1.0 infernalis
possibly an erythrystic or flame female

Gonna cost a load but whatever!

[thamneil]

Ok I think I have made a decision based on what is currently available..

1.1 melanistic easterns
1.1 erythristic easterns
1.0 infernalis

So excited! This is going to be awesome!

[guidofatherof5]

Sounds like a plan and of course we want photo A.S.A.P. when they arrive.;)

[Philminator]

August - Sept around that time is only when I'd be ready. I am NO clue how much shipping will cost across border. Rushing and doing it in the next week I'd only have like 50-100$ which likely won't get me anything :( Come August - Sept I should have like 400-700$ easily so it might be better for me to wait, then again by that time there might be no deals and no one to pool in with. All I know is this is a hobby first and foremost but in the next 2-3 years I would like to have a small business with some garters in Canada.

[thamneil]

Oh believe me Steve... you will get your photos! Due to your very strong influence on me, im thinking of adding a pair of anery radix to the list. Im having such a tough time making up my mind!

[kimbosaur]

If I join in, I'd only be getting a pair. I think I'd go for a red radix and an anery radix. Steve, it seems you have influenced the small Canadian population of this site...

I really hope I can participate but it's a matter of what the final costs will be and the timing of everythibng. I'm short on cash because I'm completing a full-time (unpaid) practicum this month.

[chris-uk]

C'mon, someone go Mexican. Get some Cuitzeos into Canada. :)

[thamneil]

Really want them. And some scotti. Don't think Scott had any though.

[chris-uk]

Really want them. And some scotti. Don't think Scott had any though.

I thought he was expecting some Mexican species. Maybe they haven't arrived yet.

[thamneil]

He said he will be expecting more litters shortly. Hope some Mexicans are in there! Are they relatively expensive? I don't know how much I'll be able to spend.

[scott5017]

There already are cuitzeos in canada ;)

[thamneil]

Anyone here breeding them? It seems that rare garters do exist here but no one sells them.

[scott5017]

I have a pair of '09 cuitzeos that i will be attempting to breed early next year.

[thamneil]

Keep me posted on how that goes. I would be interested!

[Light of Dae]

Scott I know you just got a bunch of snakes from the uk, but would you want any from Scott f?

[Light of Dae]

Ok so here I'm going to post a bit a bout the costs so we can all figure this out. I have been in contact with Scott F and he has been of great help in getting me these quotes n information.

Here's the breakdown on the fees:


1) First shipment is $250, anythereafter are $50 each, if 10 people go in it's 9 x $50 PLUS $250 divided by the ten shipments which = $70 per person


2) 5% declaration value fee (this is 5% of the value of whatever you order).


3) The shipping fee from me to Reptile express divided by the number of customers


4) The shipping from Reptile Express to you is $89. This is for a 9 x 9 x 9 box that will accomodate your snakes only in the shipment.


Basically I will send a large box full of snakes to Reptile Express. Each snake will have a number correlating to the person who ordered that snake to make it easy to id who gets what. Reptile express will then ship out the snakes to you from their Canada office.


Hope this clarifies the charges.


Thanks,


Scott


PS I was told that if we got ten customers the rate would drop to $30 per individual after the first one for $250 on the charges listed under #1
****

Ok so this is my quote for shipping them to me after they cross the border. I told him I'd want eight snakes.
*****
Here's the email for your shipping cost from Reptile express to you:


Hi Scott,


We do service this request. It would be available for pickup on day of delivery at the FedEx hub by 9am. Photo ID will be required to pickup the package.


Here is your rate for Michelle:


Shipping Box: 9x9x9"
Reptile Express Fee (ON to AB): $89


Total: $89


So basically how this will happen with multiple shipments is that you will ship multiple boxes to our Buffalo location. When you ship multiple packages overnight, you do receive the consolidated discount and don't get charged a whole new rate per box. We will then ship those animals in those same boxes to the final Canadian destination.
On top of all the containers/bags you'll need to put a label identifying the common and scientific name of the animals as well as sex/quantity (such as 1.2 etc).


Because non of your Canadian customers info is going to be on the invoice or as "ship to" address, you'll need to let us know in advance which animals are going to whom.
We will create a file on that. With a pen in the corner of the labels on the containers write the number "1" for all animals going to customer so and so, the number "2" for another customer. Simply email us which customers belong to which numbers.


In our files we will write down which customer #1's belong to and #2's and so on.


Hope I didn't make it confusing. Please let me know if you need clarification.




Thanks,
-Sam Fard
Reptile Express
Reptile Express | Your Live Shipping Experts! (http://www.reptileexpress.com)
289.597.4464
1-888-949-SHIP (7447)







As far as When we can do this....? Soon as we figure out the costs for everyone and if there is anyone else who wants in or not? Contact everyone you know with a Garter in Canada, see if they want to save on shipping from Scott F.

Any one else excited?

[guidofatherof5]

I'm excited and I'm not even involved. :D

[Dan72]

Wow, I hope everyone that gets involved in this has a smooth and wonderful transaction, sounds like a great way to save some cash. My one concern, and I'm sure these group orders have been done so not Reptile Express or Scott F's first rodeo. BUt what is the plan if customer 3 orders snakes E, F, G but ends up with A, B, C?

[thamneil]

Oh you dont even have to ask me if im excited... but I am!!!!!!! How many people are in so far? I cant wait! Im dieing of excitement over here!

[scott5017]

Scott I know you just got a bunch of snakes from the uk, but would you want any from Scott f?

I really shouldnt, but i do have space ;) If there are any Anerythristic red sideds available i would be interested in a pair.

[thamneil]

Lucky for you Scott... There were anery parietalis! Think he only had females though. I'll send you of a copy of the list Scott gave me.

[Light of Dae]

BUt what is the plan if customer 3 orders snakes E, F, G but ends up with A, B, C?

Not sure but I pretty sure that the party responsible for the mix up would rectify it. I got faith that everyone would work it out just fine. :)

[guidofatherof5]

Wow, I hope everyone that gets involved in this has a smooth and wonderful transaction, sounds like a great way to save some cash. My one concern, and I'm sure these group orders have been done so not Reptile Express or Scott F's first rodeo. BUt what is the plan if customer 3 orders snakes E, F, G but ends up with A, B, C?

Naysayer:D

[Dan72]

I just like all my T's crossed and I's dotted:cool:.

[scott5017]

Gotta be honest my knowledge of garter genetics isnt up to par, would love to see pictures of parents / offspring.

[EasternGirl]

This is like watching someone bringing a fifth of vodka into an AA meeting....rofl!!! I keep picturing someone putting a tub of garters on a table and members tackling each other to grab a few...ha ha. We all have it bad! :D I think I have enough garters on my table at the moment...I'm going to have to tap into my willpower on this one. But I am very excited for those of you getting new snakes....make sure to post pics so that I can live through you all vicariously! :)

[Light of Dae]

Ok So I have now (should have done it sooner) posted this same thread on an Alberta Reptile site o see if there are any others wanting in on this. Feel free to do the same in Ont, Man, Where ever. The more people the more we save.

You can copy the link and all, Give them my email which is Fire_walker_72@hotmail.com if they want in. (Ya'll can have my email to! :)

[Spankenstyne]

Michelle, just a heads-up but please learn the Alberta regulations before you get yourself and possibly others in legal trouble.
Of the list you posted below the only ones you could legally bring into Alberta are the 1.1 erythristic extreme red easterns.

It's not meant to sound harsh, just letting you know before you get too excited. I went through the same disappointment 5-6 years ago and went to the length of several in-person meetings with Fish & Wildlife (along with many emails & phone calls) just to be sure on how F&W interpret the regulations. I really wanted to bring some red radix up here, they're just gorgeous.

Scott is great to deal with, top notch snakes. I brought a couple of Santa Cruz garters up here from him a few years back and he went well above and beyond to help me out which I really appreciated. There are still a good number of Garters you can bring up from him though, just no Plains (radix), Wanderings (elegans), and no Red Sided (parietalis). Although we can have California Red-Sided (infernalis). The short version is we can legally keep but not import/export or sell/buy/trade any of our native Albertan garter species. Unlike some states in the US, our regs don't differentiate between wild and captive bred & morphs.

Hope that's helpful, though I know probably a bit of a bummer.





I alone would want up to eight little ones.
1.1 anery plains
1.1 axan plains
0.1 red showing red plains
1.0 red plains
1.1 erythristic extreme red easterns

That is my wish list. I figure go big or go home?
...
I'm going to be so broke...


Ahhh....
All for the love of garters!

[kimbosaur]

(disregard post)

[Light of Dae]

Really? I can't bring up any plains? *Enter Jaw drop here* :'( No way! .... Radix aren't native in Ontario are they? ... there has to be a way around that...

[Spankenstyne]

Believe me if there was a way you'd already have been able to buy all sorts of radix morphs in Alberta years ago ;)
The only way around it is to be a certified zoo or research facility and apply for the permits.This is in regards to Alberta.

Other provinces have their own regulations.

[Light of Dae]

hmm so if they come from Ontario.....

[Spankenstyne]

It makes no difference. The Alberta Wildlife Act prohibits anyone from bringing any radix into or out of Alberta without a permit period. It doesn't matter where they come from or if they're captive bred etc. It's not a US or Canada issue, it's an Alberta issue. We can only keep wild caught ones (for now, that's also being changed) but cannot buy/sell/trade or otherwise traffic in them as well. Basically we can only keep radix we find here as pets but not breed & sell them.

Here's a link to the regs that should work:
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/574.cfm?page=1997_143.cfm&leg_type=Regs&isbncln=9780779749782

[Light of Dae]

YAHOO Charles is ready to ship, sometime June 4-6. I will be posting pictures!!
Eastern flames are coming to me!

[Spankenstyne]

That's awesome :) He has some beautiful snakes.

[Spankenstyne]

In case anyone has any doubts about importing non-license animals into Alberta (where the radix garters are listed in the Alberta Wildlife Act), you'll see here on the Alberta SRD page that a permit is required for import. You could try to get an import license, but I have been told by F&W in the past that they only approve them for Zoo's & research facilities.
Even then the best case scenario is you would only be allowed to keep them as pets & not sell etc. Posting this mainly for the sake of informing others when the subject comes up again as it does from time to time. Official links are always nice to see vs some anonymous random boob named "Spankenstyne" blathering on ;)

Alberta SRD - Importing Wildlife from Alberta (http://www.srd.alberta.ca/FishWildlife/FishWildlifeOfficers/WildlifeImportExportPermits/ImportingWildlifeIntoAlberta.aspx)

[Dan72]

This is like watching someone bringing a fifth of vodka into an AA meeting....rofl!!! I keep picturing someone putting a tub of garters on a table and members tackling each other to grab a few...ha ha. We all have it bad! :D I think I have enough garters on my table at the moment...I'm going to have to tap into my willpower on this one. But I am very excited for those of you getting new snakes....make sure to post pics so that I can live through you all vicariously! :)

Marnie I laughed out loud.... for awhile. To funny. On a serious note, just got cuaght up on this thread and bummer about those regs in Alberta. Not the news you want to hear when you need a garter fix and the powers that be rain on your parade.

[Spankenstyne]

It is a bummer and I feel bad for having to be the bearer of bad news, but having gone through the same thing years ago I'd feel even worse for standing by not saying anything and having Michelle find out the hard way. At least it wasn't a case of the snakes already paid for and/or shipped.

[Light of Dae]

I'm still going to be stubborn n try. I'll call fish n wildlife n see what gets said.

Oh and Charles hasn't gotten the shipping kit yet so it may be a little while longer on my flames.

That is ok I am patient.

[garterchick]

I'm happy for all you garter geeks who've been waiting for so long and now you can finally make some of your dreams come true. How does it work in the reverse, can we get snakes imported from Canada?

[Light of Dae]

For frick sakes. My fiance makes 10 bucks n hour more then me, but gets paid out about the same!!! Freakin taxes! Money has gotten a little tighter, life has gotten crazier, but I still want to do this shipment!!!

I noticed on Scott's site that he updated his available page and put a note for us Canadians about a larger shipment... What is everyone's thoughts on jumping in on a bigger one to save even more money?

[kimbosaur]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we ARE that large shipment. :)

[Light of Dae]

Oooo and for orders over 100 bucks he is giving 20% off!!! individual orders over 1000 get 30% off..

[kimbosaur]

I know!! He's making it pretty damn hard to resist joining in! I've been messaging random kijiji ads to try and get more people.

[Light of Dae]

Just join!!!!!!!!!!

[Spankenstyne]

Just join!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely, it's a great opportunity for some of us Canadians to get some garters we usually don't have much access to. I sincerely hope it all goes smoothly for everyone involved, group orders can be complicated when issues arise at the best of times but the service being used for this is top notch and seems to be working together with Scott on this which is a huge plus.
If I wasn't expecting to be moving back to BC within the next few years (where you can't keep ANY Thamnophis, boo) I would also be all over this for lots of the many species that we *can* legally work with in Alberta. California Red Sided, Easterns (Flames etc), Oregon Red Spotted, Santa Cruz, Northwesterns and so on. As restrictive as it seems at times, there's a lot of cool garters we can still work with in Alberta & it's awesome to see folks getting more into Garters period.

[Light of Dae]

Hey if when you move you have a few Thamnophis to re-home You know I'll drive down n give them a great home!! I have lots of tanks n lots of room n lots of loven's to give.

Btw George is doing awesome, he hangs out in the open all the time n he ate a worm out of my fingers today!!!! ... Then went in hiding n waited for the dish. He eats while I watch him all the time!

[kibakiba]

You guys should get some northwesterns! They are very lovely... ;)

[guidofatherof5]

You guys should get some northwesterns! They are very lovely... ;)

Lovely and awesome.

[kibakiba]

Yes, yes. Big Mama and Snakey are good examples of the perfect northwestern. Tame, trusting, a bit piggy and very, very cuddly! :D

[katach]

Yes, Snakey is a perfect little buddy. :) He was a pleasure to have as a house guest!

[Spankenstyne]

I agree they're fantastic, love the polymorphism. Too bad they're illegal to pick up in BC though.. Found some beautiful examples last summer as well :cool:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/field herpin/ivaaa2011.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/field herpin/ivvv2011.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Sweet. Northwestern rock.

[Light of Dae]

I'd love some northwesterns, but Scott doesn't have any.

[kibakiba]

I found a melanistic? northwestern here... I've seen him/her twice in the past couple years but every time I try grabbing it, it goes under the blackberry bushes.

[katach]

I love that melanistic. Chantel I'll be right over to help you catch that little one. ;)

[kibakiba]

If you come earlier, near morning, we could explore the field a little bit! There's always a snakie hiding somewhere in the grass :D

[katach]

Ok!

[scott5017]

Is this still happening?

Im in need of a couple female T.s.infernalis and at least one female T.s.connicus.

[Light of Dae]

Yup, I just put my order though with Scott F I will be paying for it as soon as he gets back to me (Shouldn't be long) Just go ahead n contact him as he is doing all the details basically. Seems really smooth n in order.

SF Garter (http://www.albinogartersnake.com/) Contact him for a complete list of what he has available.

[Spankenstyne]

Nice! How did the discussion with F&W go?

[EasternGirl]

I would love to have an infernalis too. I think a NW might be next on my list though. My son really wants a flame...and I really like pugets too...oh dear Lord...the addiction is getting worse!!! No more garters for Marnie right now. If I contact anyone on this site asking about garters in the next several months...tell me no! Tell me to call my sponsor and get to a meeting! :D

[katach]

I might be able to get you a NW Marnie. :D

[thamneil]

So we are good to go? What is everything looking like cost wise?

[kibakiba]

If Blade gives some good babies, I'm sure you could get her a couple, Kat ;)

[katach]

Yep. I'll be holding on to them for a bit though. I'd like to see if they color up red. Chantel, of coarse you get first pick.

[kibakiba]

Yes, Yes! I'm excited just to see what comes out!

[Light of Dae]

Nice! How did the discussion with F&W go?

Never got around to calling them, I just changed up my list.



So we are good to go? What is everything looking like cost wise?

I am actually shocked at how cheap it is. There is a Reptile Express fee of $50 plus the shipping from Ontairo to where ever (Alberta for me is only $84!) It is really WAY more affordable then I thought it would be.

[kimbosaur]

How much did the shipping from Scott to the US Reptile Express location end up costing? Or is that included in the $50?

[Spankenstyne]

Never got around to calling them, I just changed up my list.




I am actually shocked at how cheap it is. There is a Reptile Express fee of $50 plus the shipping from Ontairo to where ever (Alberta for me is only $84!) It is really WAY more affordable then I thought it would be.


That's great, at least you were able to find substitutes. Looking forward to seeing what you got (and secretly hoping it includes infernalis) ;)

[Light of Dae]

lol If I could afford some infernalis I would.

[Light of Dae]

How much did the shipping from Scott to the US Reptile Express location end up costing? Or is that included in the $50?

I do believe that is it.

[Spankenstyne]

lol If I could afford some infernalis I would.

Ah that's too bad, but certainly the smart way to go about it. So what did you end up ordering? Florida Blues, morph or het Easterns, Santa Cruz?
There are just way too many cool garters lol.

[thamneil]

Chris, Scott doesnt have very much in terms of species and subspecies. Its mainly morphs at the moment. I was really hoping for something like infernalis or concinnus. I guess just subspecies in general as I am not too keen on morphs. I do believe I will be getting some similis though.

[Scott F]

Re: Canadian Shipments from the States
How much did the shipping from Scott to the US Reptile Express location end up costing? Or is that included in the $50? The cost from me to Reptile express will run $20 per person, that is seperate from the $50 (the $50 fee is what Reptile express charges). Thamneil I do have infernalis for sale, have babies from 4 unrelated litters.

Scott

[thamneil]

The chances of me being able to afford infernalis at this point are pretty low anyways! I think I'll be happy with what I have selected :)

[Light of Dae]

Neil just put your order in! Do it! Come on! You can't miss this opportunity!

[Light of Dae]

Oh and my list contains blue red sided, normal redsided, lake chapela, and easterns!

[thamneil]

I put my order in Michelle! Heres the list:

2.1 Similis
1.1 Anery plains het Iowa snow
1.0 Carteret Cty Erythristic easterns het snow or melanistic
0.1 Flame/ery cross x melanistic and snow easterns

Also have some flame girls coming from Charles Parenteau. Life is good!

[Spankenstyne]

Oh and my list contains blue red sided, normal redsided, lake chapela, and easterns!

We Albertans aren't allowed to bring in any T. s. parietalis. The only "Red-sided" garters we can bring into Alberta are T. s. infernalis. The mexicans & easterns are totally fine though.

[Spankenstyne]

Chris, Scott doesnt have very much in terms of species and subspecies. Its mainly morphs at the moment. I was really hoping for something like infernalis or concinnus. I guess just subspecies in general as I am not too keen on morphs. I do believe I will be getting some similis though.

Heya Neil. I was just picking some cool ideas out of Scott's availability list that would be legal for Albertans :)

[thamneil]

I understand. The legalities can be pretty crazy especially in terms of morphs. We really need a better system in place in regards to this. I know people in my city who hide the fact that they keep hognose due to them being a high risk native species! Kind of sad to have to hide a captive bred animal.

[thamneil]

Payment has been sent! Cant wait till my little beauties arrive! Anybody else gonna order some snakes? Its a great opportunity!

[Light of Dae]

I just put an ad up on Kijiji seeing if anyone else wants to get in on this shipment. Spreading the word.

[Light of Dae]

I'm getting lots of replies from my kijiji ad!!! I spread it out to Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario... Will do more tomorrow :) It works well :)

[thamneil]

Okay there Dawn Summers from St. Mallow. Whatever you say :P You muct be rich to afford all these houses throughout Canada! How many people have gotten back to you? No joke, my reptile breeder friend thought I made the add. He thought I was insane!

[Light of Dae]

I've gotten at least 20 replies, probably about 6 that are serious, the others want to just add a snake or two to my order :P which would work... if I had houses cross Canada like all my CRAZY ads imply I do lol

[EasternGirl]

Oh dear Kat! Don't tell me that! I keep saying I am going to stop and then I get another snake. My mother is literally going to put me and my snakes in the front yard with a sign on us that says "free to good home" soon! :D I said no more and then I brought the concinnus home from the show. Then I said no more and now I'm going to get a puget soon. I am going to have to say no NWs for now. But I do appreciate the offer. Perhaps next year for my birthday?

[Light of Dae]

Holy crap...
I just paid for 15 snakes....
lol
Oh my what will my hubby think now.... lol

*Doing happy dance*

EEEeee I wanna squeal like a little girl!!!!

fifteen snaakes... 15... Snakes
Awesome snakes.
:D

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats. Many photos will be neccessary. Please.

[Invisible Snake]

Wow that's a lot of snakes, congrats. Will you be housing them communally?

[kimbosaur]

You're CRAZY!! I've been seriously on the fence about whether or not I should get 2! Well it looks like if I miss out this time around, it won't be long until you guys start producing some Canadian babies. :D

[thamneil]

You got 15?!?!?? I thought eight was a lot. What did you get?

[Light of Dae]

Wow that's a lot of snakes, congrats. Will you be housing them communally?

For the quarantine period I will be housing the males together n females together. After that still will keep them in groups, not 100% sure how many in each yet though.


You're CRAZY!! I've been seriously on the fence about whether or not I should get 2! Well it looks like if I miss out this time around, it won't be long until you guys start producing some Canadian babies. :D

*Slap* Get two!!! You will not regret it! JUST DO IT *slap* WAKE UP :D
Up yet? Jump on in the boat n ORDER!!! ffs. lol
Why would you let yourself 'miss out' ?!?!?!?!?!?!??

Oh and Crazy... I have been accused once or twice lol ;)

[Light of Dae]

Ok, so sorry I've been really busy with work, life n work, oh and sun stroke has been fun, boss gave me today off to recover, tried telling him that I still wanted to work today, but he said no way lol. I am beat red burnt.

Due to Alberta laws My list of snakes shrunk a little... Down to 11 snakes.
Wanna see my list?

2.3 Zacapu garter (First time produced in the US)


0.1 Chocolate eastern 100% het Schuett Albino flame


2.2 Flame/erythristic x Snow & melanistic males (these are either 100% het
snow, 100% melanistic or het for both)


Santa Cruz garter
0.1 Pretty girl, has a curly tail from birth





I am terribly sad that I cannot get any Radixes. At least I got a baby wild stub tail little guy.

Shipment is loosely planned for JULY 23 so this is your LAST CHANCE!!!!

[BUSHSNAKE]

i have a species very similar to insperatus. Their coloration changes the bigger they get, by the time those will be adults they will be very beautiful, also they can be very dark or light.

[Light of Dae]

You have the .. Lake Chapala? (Forgive my spelling, you know what one I mean lol)

[BUSHSNAKE]

yeah

[Rober10169]

I just ordered 2 males snakes for this shipment. Hopefully we can do this again next year so that I can get the females.

[Spankenstyne]

Fantastic group you're getting there Michelle. Hope to see pics once they arrive.


Ok, so sorry I've been really busy with work, life n work, oh and sun stroke has been fun, boss gave me today off to recover, tried telling him that I still wanted to work today, but he said no way lol. I am beat red burnt.

Due to Alberta laws My list of snakes shrunk a little... Down to 11 snakes.
Wanna see my list?

2.3 Zacapu garter (First time produced in the US)


0.1 Chocolate eastern 100% het Schuett Albino flame


2.2 Flame/erythristic x Snow & melanistic males (these are either 100% het
snow, 100% melanistic or het for both)


Santa Cruz garter
0.1 Pretty girl, has a curly tail from birth





I am terribly sad that I cannot get any Radixes. At least I got a baby wild stub tail little guy.

Shipment is loosely planned for JULY 23 so this is your LAST CHANCE!!!!

[Light of Dae]

Don't worry, there will be pictures GALORE!!!

What snakes did you get Rober?

[Rober10169]

I ordered an infernalis and a similis. Scott only had males left so hopefully will order the females next year unless I can find someone in Canada who has females for sale.

[Rober10169]

What do the numbers mean? 2.3 Zacapu. 0.1 Chocolate, 2.2 Flame etc




2.3 Zacapu garter (First time produced in the US)


0.1 Chocolate eastern 100% het Schuett Albino flame


2.2 Flame/erythristic x Snow & melanistic males (these are either 100% het
snow, 100% melanistic or het for both)


Santa Cruz garter
0.1 Pretty girl, has a curly tail from birth

[kibakiba]

1.0.0 is one male, 2.0.0 is two males, 0.1.0 is one female and 0.0.1 is one unknown/unsexed (sometimes used for eggs)

[Light of Dae]

Stands for male . female n if you see a third number it is unknown

1.0.0 = one male
0.1.0 = one female
0.0.1 = one sex unknown(more then likely a baby)

[Rober10169]

ok. so a 1.2 means only 3 babies in total, 1 male and 2 females. what happens then if a snake has 25, it would be something like 10.15?

[kibakiba]

It doesn't just mean for babies it counts for adults too, if they're sexed and there are 10 males and 15 females, it would be 10.15.
If they aren't sexed, it would be 0.0.25.

[Light of Dae]

*doing happy dance*

[thamneil]

The time is approaching! Thought I should share my list.

2.1 T. similis
1.0 Erythristic het snow eastern
0.1 Ery/Flame poss het snow/melanistic eastern
1.1 T. e. scotti

[Light of Dae]

I thought you were going to get some Radix? What happened with that?

[guidofatherof5]

The time is approaching! Thought I should share my list.

2.1 T. similis
1.0 Erythristic het snow eastern
0.1 Ery/Flame poss het snow/melanistic eastern
1.1 T. e. scotti

Sweet list.

[Light of Dae]

So on top of my list already...

2.3 Zacapu garter (First time produced in the US)


0.1 Chocolate eastern 100% het Schuett Albino flame


2.2 Flame/erythristic x Snow & melanistic males (these are either 100% het
snow, 100% melanistic or het for both)


Santa Cruz garter
0.1 Pretty girl, has a curly tail from birth

I Just asked Scott if it was to late to add one of them beautiful Melanistic Easterns that he posted about.
I'm only getting four males and seven females so I asked for a male to even out the proverbial playing field. :D

I really hope it isn't to late to add him in!

[Rober10169]

I am getting 2

1.0 similis
1.0 infernalis

was hoping to get some females but no such luck this time around.

[thamneil]

I really wanted a melanistic when I began this whole process but he sold the two melanistics that were originally advertised. I think im gonna put that idea on hold until a little later.

Working on possibly getting a trio of western ribbon snakes from Ontario at the moment.Too many snakes, so little time!!!!

[thamneil]

I thought you were going to get some Radix? What happened with that?

Scott was not able to ship out any parietalis, radix, or vagrans unfortunately. :(

[Light of Dae]

I really wanted a melanistic when I began this whole process but he sold the two melanistics that were originally advertised. I think im gonna put that idea on hold until a little later.


Scott said I could get one, he says its up to me but he is uneasy about it not being fed as many times as he would like. I'm going to think on it for the night. ... But I'll probably still want one in the morning. lol


Scott was not able to ship out any parietalis, radix, or vagrans unfortunately. :(

Is that because of the Manitoba laws as well? I didn't know Manitoba had Vagrans..

[thamneil]

I still really want a melanistic though. I feel like im testing my parents patience though. I've used my dad's paypal so many times recently! If you do get the melanistic, I get first dibs to babies :p

Not sure what the reasoning was regarding the vagrans. He said that he want able to ship those in to Canada as a whole. I doubt there was a Canadian law that prevented this. Probably more of an internal concern seeing as all of the snakes are native to some part or another. Easterns dont appear to be covered by as many restrictions though.

[Light of Dae]

it'll be AT LEAST two years for babies... If not three. Get one while you can.
... Just do it! lol

I set up my own PayPal, Don't need a credit card, just online banking. It did take 3-5 to verify my account, then 6-8 days for the money to go through. But It was easier then sending a money order, which is something you could do too.

I think...
I'm going for the Melanistic little man....
yup. I am.

Make my total snake list to twelve!

[Spankenstyne]

I think Scott may be misunderstanding the regulations and erring on the side of caution. We were hoping that the Canadian Regulations thread would help clear that up & to help folks down in the US as well as up here in Canada understand that our regulations work on the Provincial level & not Canada-wide.

CITES, WAPPRIITA, SARA all deal with stuff on a country-wide level and besides Butler's Garters I don't think applies to anything we see on the Thamnophis end.

[Light of Dae]

So since I expanded my list with one more from Scott, I checked out Chondro's list and asked him about getting a checkered female (someone George later on) but alas it is too late...
Which is okay ... cause That means...
That Shipping will be sooner!

Excited!!
I am Impatient! So Eager!!!
Twelve Snakes !!!!


Anyone else Excited|????

[Rober10169]

Maybe next year they will have a sale again. I am looking forward to getting my 2. When we know more on the date, we will have to set up a time to meet so I can get my guys from you.

[thamneil]

Not excited at all.

[Light of Dae]

Not excited at all.

No hint of Sarcasm either eh?

[EasternGirl]

That is very exciting Michelle! You are officially an addict...lol. You now have as many garters as I have! (I have 11 counting the new rescue...although I will release her if she pulls through and be back down to 10). Def want to see pics!

[Light of Dae]

That is very exciting Michelle! You are officially an addict...
Def want to see pics!

What can I say? I love my drugs!!!!! (which are my snakes btw) lol

PICTURES WILL COME AS SOON AS I GET THEM!!!!!!
:D
I will Flood This forum with Pictures!!!!

Mwhahahaha!!!

[Light of Dae]

You now have as many garters as I have! (I have 11...


... I'm getting 12... and have 4... lol Here I could make a JOKE like... Guess its ok, ... you don't need math to be a nurse :P :rolleyes:

<3 Marnie

[thamneil]

No hint of Sarcasm either eh?

Do you even have to ask that? :D

Snakes are due to arrive on Wednesday, August 1st. I set up the snake nurseries today! Getting ancy over here!

[Light of Dae]

The only thing I need to to for my tanks is finish the lids :) And stop rearranging them lol

I'm telling my boss today I will need to leave at noon Aug 1st. :D

[EasternGirl]

Okay, okay...I forgot to count the snakes you already have...smarty pants! :D And actually, the machines do all the math for nurses nowadays! Ha ha ha. I will however probably see you in a rehab facility someday....dealing with your addiction...so be nice to nurses! Ha ha ha! :D

[Rober10169]

The only thing I need to to for my tanks is finish the lids :) And stop rearranging them lol

I'm telling my boss today I will need to leave at noon Aug 1st. :D

Where are you picking them up? We will have to meet so I can get mine home ASAP as well.

[Light of Dae]

I'm so EXCITED Snakes are going to the same FedEx office where I picked up the Flames from Charles!
Today was housecleaning day, tomorrow I finish the lids!
I found some awesome stuff at the dollar store for my new setups too. One being them wooden tissue boxes... will make perfect hides.

[thamneil]

I made a trip down to the states and bought the coolest water dishes :)

[guidofatherof5]

I made a trip down to the states and bought the coolest water dishes :)

What makes you think you can get away with that Neil. Photos?

[thamneil]

It was this one. Im sure you will see the real life application when my flames arrive on Friday :p

http://di1-1.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/9b/d7/07/107091907-260x260-0-0_petco+petco+log+bowl+reptile+dish+petco.jpg

[Light of Dae]

Neat looking.. like a hatched egg almost? I just picked up some blue dollar store bowls :)

[thamneil]

Kinda does look like that. Its supposed to resemble a tree stump. Hard to see from the picture though!

[Light of Dae]

lol was just thinking I could make something like that with some clay and paint n sealer... lol another time and another thread :)

[thamneil]

Let me know when you finish them. I'll buy a few. :)

[Light of Dae]

AHH couple more days!!!!!!

Oh and sad part is.... I will not be able to post pictures of them for a while. Cole is going to be working out of town for about 3 weeks and needs to take the little laptop I use to upload pictures. I will have a laptop but the USB ports do not work... The Stata Drive is messed up... it is a half dead laptop, but it ..sorta works lol

[Rober10169]

Where are you picking them up? Do you know what time they will be there for you? I will do my best to meet you as soon as I can. Let me know. Thanks

[Light of Dae]

I will be pickin them on the south east Side of the city at the FedEx Office. Not sure what time they will be there... But I am leaving work at noon. should be ale to meet up at round 1:30-2:00pm. I'll send you a pm so you'll have my number and we can communicate better.

[Rober10169]

Ok, I can try to leave work at noon as well so I could meet you at the depot if you want.

[Light of Dae]

If you want we could do that. I'll probable only get there around... 12:40-1:00pm depending on traffic n such joys. lol

Got the email from FedEx this morning with my tracking number!!!!! I'm so excited! That has almost been ... surreal.. like I always 'wanted' to get state side snakes but didn't think it would ever actually happen. Someone pinch me!!
...
On second thought..

Don't pinch me..

I'll gladly live in this dream!

[Rober10169]

I am working on getting some snakes from the UK, but will have to make the shipment worth while as shipping is quite a bit more. Will keep you posted though if you are interested.

[chris-uk]

I am working on getting some snakes from the UK, but will have to make the shipment worth while as shipping is quite a bit more. Will keep you posted though if you are interested.

There's only one species that you'd need to ship from the UK that isn't easier to find/ship from the US. So I'm guessing you're trying to get some San Frans shipped over?

[Light of Dae]

I'd like some San Frans in the future. For now I think I've spent lots enough lol

*Doing Happy Dance* TOMORROW!!! Its like christmas eve when I was a child!!!!
EEEEE I'm insanly excited!!!!!

[Light of Dae]

AHHHH FedEx tracking says the got to ontario already and have also left ontario!!! They are FAST I am soo happy!

[chris-uk]

So today is the day. Hope all the logistics run smoothly. And happy Christmas. ;)

[Light of Dae]

so they got to Winnipeg at 3am, then got to Edmonton International Airport, at 430am!! It says they are being sorted.. so *Dance! Dance. Dance. Dance* :D

[Invisible Snake]

Merry Garter Christmas guys!!! :)

[guidofatherof5]

I'm excited and they're not even mine.:D

[Steveo]

Very excited for you all.

[nsducktoller]

I got my babies last evening (I'm in Ontario, so sooner than you guys out west.) I have 1.2 flame/erythristic X snow + melanistic Easterns. Sam of Reptile Express hand delivered them to me, and they are PERFECT!! These are the first garter snakes I have kept since I was a kid, and my first CB garters.

I'm looking forward to hearing from everyone else as they receive their snakelets.

[Dan72]

Awesome to everyone that ordered, can't wait to see what everybody gets.

[Rober10169]

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Here is the infernalis that I got from Scott. The similis was hiding. Great looking snakes.

[Light of Dae]

Well I received my twelve snakes from Scott and I was pleased with all of them except for one. One of the tiny Eastern girls (flame/ery. het mel/snow) did not make the trip so well. :( RIP little girl you would of been a beauty.

Happy note. The rest are all happy, and active(except for one male Zacapu, he had a drink n went to bed..) The females seem WAY more active then the males.. The only thing I can account that too is I put them in my cold storage while I set the guys up. I With each snake when introducing them to the tank place them in the water after letting them drink.

I love them all. they are all so awesome!!!

*pictures to come when Cole gets home. *

[Rober10169]

You got some nice looking snakes. Thanks for letting others know about this opportunity. I will be needing a female infernalis in the future for my male from Scott.

[guidofatherof5]

Congrats on the shipment. Sorry to hear the little flame didn't make it.


Come on Cole. You're holding things up here.:D

[Light of Dae]

Oh and one of the female Zacapu shed perfectly on route and one other Zacapu girl has blueish eyes, so they are growing and doing good, that is easy to see.
The mexicans are definitely bigger then all the others.

@Steve. Cole is actually going to be home sooner then planned as his co-worker is a workaholic and wants to be done before the weekend! <3

[Dan72]

Congrats to all, to bad about the one, One of my favorites to watch color up as they get older.

[Light of Dae]

Well I still got 2.1 Eastern Flame Erythristic het Melanistic/Snow, So we can still watch them grow up n color up! Along with the rest of them...
2.3 Zacapu
0.1 Santa Cruz
0.1 Melanistic Eastern (jet black, no white(yet)!! Looks like velvet already!)
0.1 Chocolate Eastern (Looks really nice, I was wondering what it would look like cause Scott didn't have any pictures of one)

[Invisible Snake]

Congrats on the new additions guys! Sorry Light of Dae that the little female eastern didn't make it. Do you know how long the garters where in the box? (from the time Scott sent them to the time you opened them up)

[thamneil]

Hey everyone! Been a busy few days. So FedEx came to deliver the box and it was not received! Not sure what happened. We were all home and nobody heard a bell.

A few hours later, we went to pick it up when it became available at 6pm. At this point, the snakes had been boxed for close to 60 hours. I thought that at his point, the snakes were toast for sure. Well, luck was on my side. I opened the box to be greated by a beautiful group.

2.1 similis
1.1 scotti
1.1 sirtalis

I'm sure the little group will keep me busy. Not to mention a litter of 6 marcianus born this week.

[Light of Dae]

Could they not have been able to find your place? Some drivers give up after driving around the block couple times. Or maybe it is company policy to not 'waste time' when an adress cannot be located.
I've had that twice with fedex when I lived in town. One time I was waiting by the window, watching, few hour later they call me and say they tried to deliver it but no one was home! I was mad. Liars.


Oh and Neil...
WE NEED PICTURES!

[BUSHSNAKE]

Well I still got 2.1 Eastern Flame Erythristic het Melanistic/Snow, So we can still watch them grow up n color up! Along with the rest of them...
2.3 Zacapu
0.1 Santa Cruz
0.1 Melanistic Eastern (jet black, no white(yet)!! Looks like velvet already!)
0.1 Chocolate Eastern (Looks really nice, I was wondering what it would look like cause Scott didn't have any pictures of one)
did you say you had worms on one?

[thamneil]

Pretty sure they found my place. They printed a notice and left it on my door. You know pictures will come. Everybody is settling in well. The easterns and similis both had a nightcrawler snack right out of the deli cups. The scotti were more reluctant but they were in shed. Nobody wanted anything to do with pinkies but they went ham for the worms!

About BUSHSNAKEs comment on worms, one of my similis has a decent sized bump on his side. Could this be parasitic? I'm not too worried, just curious.

[BUSHSNAKE]

i only asked cuz i thought i saw a thread on it and then it was gone....i was a little confused

[Light of Dae]

So all my little ones are doing good! The Flame/ery easterns ate(female is a piggy!! right stuffed now), the Chocolate Eastern ate (like a pig), The melanistic Eastern ate, The Santa cruz almost stole from one eastern flame/ery, but didn't eat, The Zacapu.. they looked at the food and or completely ignored it n slept lol That is ok, the small easterns need some time to catch up in size :)

I have the girls in one tank n the boy in another... well the lone santa cruz girl will hang out with the boys for 6months.

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[Invisible Snake]

Hey how are everyones new additions doing? Have you guys notice any differences between NA gerters and the Central American garters? (besides size) I noticed that my scotti female is much more timid and secretive than my North American garters.

[Light of Dae]

All mine are doing great n eating well. The Mexican garters are got are very lazy n laid back compared to the rest. They curl up in a tight ball n I can easily pick them up as a ball, it's like they try to ignore me with their heads tucked in the center lol

Here I had picked up two female Zacapu and placed them beside the food hoping the smell would make them uncurl n eat... No luck, Chocolate eastern on the other hand was happy to eat what they did not.
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The chocolate is very friendly and inquisitive. The Flame/ery... played dead when she saw me lol Saw her eyes look at me, but she wouldn't move.
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I love this tiny little Melanistic girl however she is very skiddish and hard to spot in the tank lol Velvet
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Blonde Zacapu in a ball peeking at me from on top a 'grass mat' that is hung up to create climbing n hides.
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Two male Zacapu NOT in BALL form lol Love the difference in color, one is blue looking the other is neon green.
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[EasternGirl]

Great pics! Sorry about the little eastern that didn't make it. RIP little girl...Glad the others are doing so well! Must be an exciting time at your house.

[mikem]

Nice group of babies you have! The melanistics are one (of many) of my favorite morphs :cool:

[Invisible Snake]

Hey when you pick up the melanistic do their scales feel different to the touch than other garter morphs? It does to me.

[ProXimuS]

Very nice arrivals! I love that melanistic the most, but all look great;)

[guidofatherof5]

Good looking group.

[Dan72]

Great pics thanks for sharing.