Is this a garter snake?

[Gregavi]

I originally thought it was a garter snake, now I'm thinking it is a young gopher snake. It is about 14" long. Judges?

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[EasternGirl]

I'm on the phone with my friend who is a breeder...telling him to look at the pic now...hold on a sec....

[d_virginiana]

My ID skills are complete crap (so you probably want to wait for someone else to chime in), but it doesn't look like a garter. :D

[Gregavi]

I guess I don't feel stupid for not knowing. People with much more snake ID skills are having a tough time with it.
Thanks for the help.

[Didymus20X6]

Email this guy. His name is Clint Pustejovsky. Tell him Didymus20x6 (Thomas Wright) sent you.

Texas Snakes, Clint "The Snake Man" (http://www.texassnakes.net/educate.html)

[mikem]

Looks like a young bullsnake.

[Invisible Snake]

Yea it definitely doesn't look like a garter snake.

[Gregavi]

Looks like a young bullsnake.
Which is the same as a gopher snake. That's what I think too.

[ssssnakeluvr]

looks like a bull snake... gopher snakes aren't the same as bulls, different subspecies.

[BUSHSNAKE]

thats a San Diego gopher(annectens)

[ssssnakeluvr]

ok Joe.... :D any idea what type of gopher? where was it found?

[BUSHSNAKE]

san diego gopher

[EasternGirl]

Joe would be my friend I was on the phone with. So there you go. I knew Joe would know...:).

[mikem]

I struggle telling the difference between a bull and gopher snake.

[BUSHSNAKE]

this a bull mike

[BUSHSNAKE]

Joe would be my friend I was on the phone with. So there you go. I knew Joe would know...:).
lol thanks Marnie:p

[mikem]

I see. Thanks! :cool:

[Gregavi]

Apparently bull and gopher are related but not exactly the same. This one was found in my front yard in Santa Barbara.

[BUSHSNAKE]

they are different species in the same genus, bullsnakes are bullsnakes there are no bullsnake subspecies. Gophers do have subspecies

[ConcinusMan]

Looks just like the ones I used to find near the coast, from Tijuana, northward all the way to Monterey, in coastal scrub habitat. If you go farther inland into the drier desert interior, (San Diego co.) they look a bit different, more color and contrast, different pattern. probably a different subspecies but to me, a gopher snake is a gopher snake.:rolleyes: Looks like a youngster. I've caught them all the way up to over 6 feet long. They're fun, especially the mean ones, lol. They seem to do very well in captivity. Mine adored baby birds/chicks but will eat mice too.

I love Santa Barbara. I was just there in early March and I'll probably stop there for day or two again later this summer. I live near Victorville.

[EasternGirl]

That is a really cool looking snake!

[Steveo]

they are different species in the same genus, bullsnakes are bullsnakes there are no bullsnake subspecies. Gophers do have subspecies

Here in CO they are commonly called bullsnakes but are actually gopher snakes. I understand the confusion.

http://ndis.nrel.colostate.edu/herpatlas/coherpatlas/cdow_herpetofaunal_atlas_species_snake_pituophisca tenifer.htm

[mustang]

yea, i think its a gopher/bull/pine snake. definatly not a garter snake, but the confusion when it was small is definatly okay, i probably would have thought the smae thing.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Here in CO they are commonly called bullsnakes but are actually gopher snakes. I understand the confusion.

Bullsnake or Gopher Snake (http://ndis.nrel.colostate.edu/herpatlas/coherpatlas/cdow_herpetofaunal_atlas_species_snake_pituophisca tenifer.htm)
looks like both are in CO....the second pic from bottom is a gopher rest are bulls

[ConcinusMan]

gopher, bull, same difference.:cool: Essentially the same snake on the surface.

[RedSidedSPR]

Edit: Crap there were more pages...