Gail's garter - the snake kind silly.

[kueluck]

Just because I love them, and today I kissed Zena when at the Vet office. Yup, that's right, I'm a snake kisser and I'm not ashamed. I should put that on a t-shirt.

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[thamneil]

I remember when you joined this forum and only had your Zena. Kind of shocked after reading your signature! I see you're building up the army very quickly :D

[kueluck]

Neil, I set my personal limit to 3. It is/was Zena, Cleo and then I was getting one more, but didn't know what or when. The plan was to have a bigger cage to house 3 adult females. So when I went to the Myrtle Beach show this past summer I got Mona. Scott held her through the day so I could see the rest of the show and when I went to pick her up later on in the day he said I could have Sadie at no charge. How could I say no to that. The only question I asked was "is it a female?", he checked, said yes and I said thank you. Days later I asked how old she was. I think he gave her to me since she was only 4 days old when I got her. We still pray for the return of Cleo and when I see pic of the T.S. parietalis my eyes well up. If Cleo does not return by summer I may get another one. I think they are one of the pretties garters out there, at least Cleo is.

[ConcinusMan]

After all this she was breathing kind of hard and was kind of, sort of wheezing, or maybe more like a whistling sound, then stopped once she calmed down. She's got a 10 am appointment tomorrow at the Vet.

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I don't think that's anything to be concerned about. The breathing symptoms you mentioned is most likely just because the old skin is very tight which is why they need to shed in the first place. It's very common for snakes at shedding time to require extra effort to breathe, especially when oxygen demand is high. Sometimes this is accompanied by a whistling sound.

I'm more concerned about why she is consistently having shedding issues. That often indicates an underlying health condition.

[kueluck]

This is the first time she's had a problem with shedding. Otherwise she just walks right out of it.

[kueluck]

I just watched a YouTube video of a garter having a seizure, and it was breaking my heart. And all the posts that have been popping up about this has me really concerned about feeding my girls tilapia now. I get mine from Whole Foods but I think I’m going to switch back to salmon or to rainbow trout. I just figured it was better to feed a fish that was lower in fat.

[ConcinusMan]

Any carnivorous fish such as salmon or trout is going to be higher in fat than tilapia (they are vegetarians). Contaminants such as PCB's are present in the fatty parts of the fish. Heavy metals are found in the muscle, but concentrations are higher in the meat along the spine. There's no need to panic about farmed tilapia. Given the other options, it's one of the safer fish. One just needs to make darn sure there is nothing added, such as trisodium phosphate, or any preservative for that matter. I don't just say these things at random. I've spent many hours researching. You can always do your own research.

EDIT: I also wanted to add that the smaller the fish, the lower the contaminants, when compared to larger fish of the same species. That's because they accumulate the toxins over time. If they're small, they haven't had as much time to accumulate the toxins.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'm gonna trust Richard on this one. He knows what he's talking about, and I can't find anything online that contradicts what he's saying, so..

[ConcinusMan]

New warnings about mercury tell seafood buyers to beware - US News and World Report (http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/030317/17mercury.htm)


They used to have farmed tilapia on this list. although I can't find it now, it was near the bottom of the chart, which is a good thing:

List of Seafood Health Alerts - Seafood Selector - Environmental Defense Fund (http://apps.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=17694)

[kueluck]

Thanks guys, I just know I couldn't watch one of my girls go through that. I really don't want to remove fish from their diet unless I really have to.

[kueluck]

I was very happy to find this What (http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/blog/what%E2%80%99s-so-great-about-our-tilapia-we%E2%80%99ll-tell-you), and has put my mind at ease about feeding fish. This is were we get all our fresh meats, poultry and seafood so I might just have to try the chicken parts thing also.

I don't care what ANY ONE says. This site has awesome info.

[kueluck]

I tweaked out the cage a little, added some more vines & greenery. I think I'm done...............at least for now.

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[-MARWOLAETH-]

Crackin viv,Gail:D

[guidofatherof5]

Looks like a garter paradise.

[Lisa4john]

Nice! I really like what you have done with the place. :)

[ConcinusMan]

Very attractive setup.

[kueluck]

Thank you, the girls seem happy and that pretty much is all that matters, besides them staying healthy, that's my #1 goal.

[Invisible Snake]

I tweaked out the cage a little, added some more vines & greenery. I think I'm done...............at least for now.

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Looks great! Does the entire enclosure weigh a lot?

[kueluck]

Not really, but it does take two people to move it just because of size, 4 x 2 x 2.

[kueluck]

Mona has picked her new fav spot, that or she's pretending to be a tree python.

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[ProXimuS]

How cute! That looks like a nice spot to lay:)

[kueluck]

Zena & Sadie seem to enjoy hanging together, but Mona on the other hand will NOT enter the cave if Zena is in it. She's wary of Zena, will not go close to her but will lay next to Sadie. I'm curious to see how Mona will intact, if at all with Zena when she's an adult. But then she's not as friendly with people either.....maybe a melanistic thing, I dunno.
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[EasternGirl]

I think that snakes named Sadie like to cuddle ;). My Sadie is a cuddler too. My snakes often confuse themselves with Amazon Tree Boas...and striking rattlers. Lol. From what I have been told from several people, Tilapia is the lowest in mercury and other contaminants. I feed tilapia mostly, and occasionally I feed farm raised rainbow trout or salmon. I try to feed worms and pinkies the most though. Cleo is still MIA? That is terrible...I'm sorry.

[Foxrun402]

that is a cute picture though! They look like mother and daughter they way they are resting in somewhat the same position lol

[kueluck]

No Cleo, never saw any tracks or signs at all that she is lurking in the house. I pretty much have given up hope on her return, eyes still well up when I look at her pics, or any red sided that are as brightly colored as she is.

As for Zena and Sadie they are so much alike in personality. So sweet and friendly, I just wish Mona was the same. TJ said tonight that I should trade Mona for a T.S Parietalis, he really like Cleo too. I'm hoping she gets sweeter with age.

[ConcinusMan]

I've had luck finding missing snakes before. Try this: close up all windows, outside doors, etc. Open all inside doors. Turn on a very hot shower and let the steam distribute throughout the house. The idea is to raise the humidity to high levels fast. If a snake is hiding somewhere in the house, this will usually get them to come out. I think it's because they're thirsty, but whatever the reason, it's worked more than once for me. I would give it a few hours like that and see if she doesn't show up.

[kueluck]

I've gotta stay away from reptile shows. I went to Winston Salem's first ReptiCon planning on coming home with a tree frog. It was a small show since they had the smallest building in the complex so I didn't have my hopes up on finding any garters here. I saw a few albino checker babies, then I saw this little girl behind the table holding this beautiful garter. I asked about it, and the guy said it was an Iowa Eastern. Well I just couldn't resist since while I was holding her she was total sweetness in my hands. The guy said he's had her for 4 years and was not going to be breeding garters anymore and that's why she was for sale. I looked at my husband and he said for $35 you can take her home. Who was I to argue with my man. The guy selling her said he was happy that she's going to a good home. So this girl is in 60 day quarantine and settling in nicely. I gotta stay away from the shows.

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[-MARWOLAETH-]

For 22 quid.Tidy:D

[guidofatherof5]

Iowa Eastern. That's funny.
Looks T.s.pish.:DThamnophis sirtalis parietalis (Red Sided Garter)
Got a tail shot so we can sex her/him?

[ProXimuS]

I was also thinking looks like a red sided. I thought Iowas were albinos. Or is that just Plains?


Edit: Woops for to say how pretty she is:) She'll make a nice addition with the girls after quarantine.

[ConcinusMan]

That is funny. Snake very well may be from Iowa but it sure has heck isn't an eastern. I've had people tell me they have an "Iowa albino" checkered too. :p

It's probably WC too. Might want to screen / treat for internal parasites.

[kueluck]

She better be a girl. The guy said she's a proven female, I just took his word for it. 74987499

[guidofatherof5]

I was also thinking looks like a red sided. I thought Iowas were albinos. Or is that just Plains?


Edit: Woops for to say how pretty she is:) She'll make a nice addition with the girls after quarantine.

We're talking T.radix (Plains Garter)

T+ Nebraska Albino T.radix-Darker in color then the Iowa Albino
T- Iowa Albino T.tadix-Lighter in color, more yellow then the Nebr. Albino

Hope this helps.

[guidofatherof5]

She better be a girl. The guy said she's a proven female, I just took his word for it. 74987499

Yes, female.

[kueluck]

<~~ wiping brow

I was getting worried there, thought I was going to have to take it back. Red sided huh? Guess that's why she caught my eye, I do miss my Cleo. My neighbor asked on the way back from the show what I'll do if Cleo shows up now. Feed her, love her and thank God she's back............what else would I do.


The guy had her for 4 years, and said he feed her a hopper once a week. Should I still have a fecal test done?

[guidofatherof5]

For the health of the snake and your piece of mind I would say YES.

[ConcinusMan]

I thought Iowas were albinos. Or is that just Plains?

"Iowa Albino" used to refer to a line of T- albino plains garters descended from an original WC found in Iowa. Because of where this albino was found, it was called "Iowa albino". And because of where the original T+ albino plains were found, the T+ is called "nebraska albino" But these days, the terms are used (or should I say "abused") and now "iowa albino" is used to describe any T- albino radix, and "nebraska albino" is used to describe a T+ regardless of where it originates.

So now, it doesn't really matter where the snake is from or descended from, "iowa albino" means its T-. "Nebraska albino" means it's T+. And yes, that applies to T. radix only.

I think the guy that said he had an "iowa albino" checkered really meant that he had a T- but that point is moot since there are no T+ checkereds.

And this guy that says it's a "iowa eastern" probably meant that the snake actually came from Iowa. Problem is, it's not an eastern, it's a red sided.


She better be a girl.

That bulge after the cloaca makes me think it's a male.

[ProXimuS]

Hmm those full body shots say female to me....But the tail is telling me male....

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I'm not 100% sure myself.

[kueluck]

I'll take her to the reptile rescue place and have them pop her just to make sure. Besides I would rather donate $$ to their cause instead of going to the vet for this.

[guidofatherof5]

I may be wrong but I thought popping was for young snakes. Probing is for older snakes.

[mikem]

Good luck with the new garter! And good luck staying away from reptiles shows, haha ;)

[kueluck]

I was searching Youtube and they show popping adults.
I may be wrong but I thought popping was for young snakes. Probing is for older snakes.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Logic and reason don't exist in the land of Youtube:rolleyes:

[kueluck]

But William, if it's on the internet it MUST be right. ;) I just need to be positive it's a girl or I won't be able to keep it. Maybe I'll head to PetSmart and have the vet use the probe.

[guidofatherof5]

When I put all the evidence together(as I see it):
Nice taper on the tail even though there is a slight bulge/swelling at the vent(not usual but not uncommon on some females)
Nice full body and head structure and size.
Not accounting for the former owners statement.

Female

Just my opinion.

[kueluck]

Steve I REALLY respect your opinion on this, but I have to be sure. And yes the guy said it was a proven female, but was he just trying to make a sale?? I can't remember if I asked what sex or if I indicated I wanted a female. He seemed genuine and I want to believe him, but this little part of me says trust no one. Here are some clearer pics.
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[guidofatherof5]

That first photo is awesome. Nice taper.

I stay with FEMALE.

I understand you position and need to know for sure.

[Invisible Snake]

If the garter turns out to be male, will you still keep him?

[-MARWOLAETH-]

I say male.

[kueluck]

No, I don't have rooom for a male.
If the garter turns out to be male, will you still keep him?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Female!

[kueluck]

I have a vet appoint today @ 5:30 for sexing the un-named, hope to be female, new red sided. I REALLY hope she's a she, because the sweetness is awesome. I've read that several memebers like the sassy ones, not I, the sweeter the better, kinda like southern ice tea. A bonus would be a fresh poop sample when I get home so I can have that checked also.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I don't think i could live without my southern sweet tea, but i do like snakes with an attitude sometimes.

i have a vet appoint today @ 5:30 for sexing he un-named, hope to be female, new red sided. I really hope she's a she, because the sweetness is awesome. I've read that several memebers like the sassy ones, not i, the sweeter the better, kinda like southern ice tea. A bonus would be a fresh poop sample when i get home so i can have that checked also.

[kueluck]

I would like to officially introduce you to Jewels. SHE is the new addition and I couldn't be happier. I took her to the Vet today and he checked her from head to tail, literally. He was rubbing below the vent, I guess to see if he could "feel" the hemipenis, then he "popped" her, then probed her. She was such a sweetie during all this, and she did pee a little during the probe, but nothing really considering she was being violated. He even checked her with a magnifier looking for mites. He didn't see any, but he said to watch her water dish for signs. I was also able to take a fecal sample with me, and yes, she is on Panacur. I'm just happy I found a Vet 10 min from my home, with evening and weekend hours. One of the Techs said “I can't believe I'm standing this close to a snake”. Well by the end of the visit this Tech was petting her. Not only has Jewels brought happiness into our home, but she also has reduced this woman's fear of snakes. She sure is a gem. Now I've reached my limit.

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[guidofatherof5]

Sounds like Jewels is in good hands. Did your Vet say what parasite/s he found? I'd be interested in that info.
Glad she is doing so well. She deserves an extra pinky or worm.

[kueluck]

I sent an e-mail to see what they say about the parasites. The Vet let me look through the scope and see one of them, it looked like a round worm, but then I'm comparing it to pics I found on-line. Hope to have an answer tomorrow. 1.5 small pinky today, she'll be getting something to eat for the next 5 days in a row to take with the meds.

[kueluck]

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She's such a poser...........I love this girl.

[guidofatherof5]

Zena is a fine looking snake.

[Invisible Snake]

When I put all the evidence together(as I see it):
Nice taper on the tail even though there is a slight bulge/swelling at the vent(not usual but not uncommon on some females)
Nice full body and head structure and size.
Not accounting for the former owners statement.

Female

Just my opinion.


That first photo is awesome. Nice taper.

I stay with FEMALE.

I understand you position and need to know for sure.

Good call Steve! Spot on I was thinking male myself.


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She's such a poser...........I love this girl.

Zena Looks great!

[ProXimuS]

What a good girl, Jewels! I'm glad she brought a "non-believer" around;)


Hi Zena:)

[ConcinusMan]

it looked like a round worm

She's been eating "todes" http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif



Not only has Jewels brought happiness into our home, but she also has reduced this woman's fear of snakes.

First time I brought a few snakes into my (former) vet to be weighed, I just asked if i could use the small scale. the tech said "sure", led me to the scale, and asked what was in the pillow case. She screamed and ran out of the room when I answered her. Every time I brought in a pillow case after that, I got the same reaction. She never even saw them.:rolleyes:

[kueluck]

She's been eating "todes"..........don't know if I should lol or ewww.

[ConcinusMan]

Was just a joke, but seriously if it took a microscope to see them, it probably wasn't roundworms. Just about any wild garter is going to have nematodes. Many of them are harmless. Still, treating the snake with panacur is a good idea. it can get rid of a wide range of parasites, including a lot of harmful ones. It just doesn't seem to work for certain tapeworms. (the kind that use fish or amphibians as an intermediate host) For that I use praziquantel and repeat the treatment two weeks later. But if your snake has those you would know it. They have poor appetite,(or "can't get enough" to eat) low body mass, malnutrition, sometimes blood in the feces, and segments of worms coming out of them. It's pretty obvious.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Hope the new arrival gets rid of her passengers :D

[kueluck]

Richard - I know you were joking, just that the sound of "todes" is toads, which I have 7 of them as family members. I just can't imagine using them for food *shudders* . Jewels seems very healthy and won't even have know about her "friends" by the way she acts. She just finished her first round and will do a second round in three weeks. And once this is all done I'll start probiotics to help replenish the good stuff.

Wm - I'm sure they will abandon ship soon.

[kueluck]

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Mona practicing her nautical knots.

[snake man]

Mona looks awsome I really like those melanistic.

[ConcinusMan]

Gorgeous. I really need to get my hands on a melanistic, but I don't want an eastern.

[mikem]

why not?

[ConcinusMan]

That damn annoyingly defiant white patch. I want a melanistic that is black as black gets and nothing else.

I also like a nice clean snow but the radixes I got a few years ago have a slightly annoying white stripe on their head. I wish it wasn't there.

[mikem]

ah gotcha, sorry to derail the thread, but I had to know, lol! :)

[ConcinusMan]

If I would just get off my butt and get a passport then someone who isn't necessarily me, could go to B.C. and smuggle back melanistic ordinoides. It's not that far of a drive.

[kueluck]

Jewels after a good shed and lookin' good. I can't wait until Jan 15 when quarantine time is over.

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[Lisa4john]

Beautiful girl you got there, you are lucky to have each other. :)

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice looking girl.

[Lisa4john]

If I would just get off my butt and get a passport then someone who isn't necessarily me, could go to B.C. and smuggle back melanistic ordinoides. It's not that far of a drive.

That would be cool, you know, if anyone could get some somewhere close by. ;) I really wanted one, but no such luck. My sister lives just north of Bellingham and she said that she has seen some black ones on her property, my son found an albino one there too. Might go hunting next spring when we go visit again and see what we can find. Ya neva know...

I'm with you Gail, I like the sweethearts. You guys can have the ones with attitude. :)

[EasternGirl]

Sorry if I'm backtracking, but I just caught up with this thread. Like Richard and Steve said...there are regular Plains Garters like many of the snakes that Steve has, which can also be referred to as Iowa Plains...that is a T.radix...my Sammy and Sadie are T.radix. Then there are Iowa Plains Snows...like my Possum...which is a kind of albino. And I suppose there are also Iowa Plains albinos...or albino T.radixes. If anyone has a pic of one of those, I would like to see it. Snows are pure pink..they don't have patterning like albinos.

7582 Possum...a T.radix snow....

You crack me up Gail! You are turning into me! I will not get anymore garters....(I know that is about as true as me saying I will not drink coffee ever again). Love your new addition! And, again, I am really sorry about Cleo. :(

[ConcinusMan]

Sorry if I'm backtracking, but I just caught up with this thread. Like Richard and Steve said...there are regular Plains Garters like many of the snakes that Steve has, which can also be referred to as Iowa Plains...that is a T.radix...my Sammy and Sadie are T.radix. Then there are Iowa Plains Snows...like my Possum...which is a kind of albino. And I suppose there are also Iowa Plains albinos...or albino T.radixes. If anyone has a pic of one of those, I would like to see it. Snows are pure pink..they don't have patterning like albinos.

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Usually when they say "Iowa plains" (or "Iowa albino) They're talking about a T- albino plains. And "Iowa snow plains" just means that the snake is a T- snow. That is, Iowa albino + anerythristic combo morph. Then of course, "nebraska" snow is the same thing, only the albino part is T+.

Again, "Iowa" is T- , "Nebraska" is T+. Why they don't just call them T+ or T- is beyond me because not all T- are from Iowa anymore, and not all T+ lines originate in Nebraska. That's just how it was in the beginning.

"Iowa snow plains" and "Nebraska snow plains" both snakes are anerythristic plus albino. The only difference is, one is T-(Iowa) and one is T+ (nebraska)
Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com/price_plains_snow.html)


If I remember right, you ended up with my snows which I got from Julio when they were just a month or two old. One of them had a funny tilt to his head and every now and then, he would actually flip over and crawl upside down.

Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com/pricing.htm)

[kueluck]

Marnie, I had no choice but to take Jewels. My husband said "for $35 you can take her home", no snakelovin woman would or could refuse THAT!!

[guidofatherof5]

Marnie, I had no choice but to take Jewels. My husband said "for $35 you can take her home", no snakelovin woman would or could refuse THAT!!

You go girl.:D

Thanks to your hubby also.

[kueluck]

Steve if you only knew the half of it. Before Zena came into our lives he would not get NEAR a snake. I would catch rough green, black rat, brown dekayi & worm snakes all the time and he would back away. Now when I take them out and bring them to the couch he talks to them and puts his big warm man hand out for them to curl up in. Never thought I'ld see the day. :D

[Selkielass]

Awes, that's sweet!

[kueluck]

Got a little excited this morning when I went to say good morning to the girls and only found Sadie & Mona hanging out. :eek: TJ said he saw Zena when he got up, but she was no where to be found. Until TJ noticed a “lump” under the sani-chips. :o She hasn't done this in a long time. I think she has a smirk on her face for having the satisfactionof freakin' me out OR she's givin' me the stink eye....hard to tell.

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[guidofatherof5]

Way to go Zena.:D

[Greg'sGarters]

That's a nice snake!

[ProXimuS]

Looks like a smirk to me:D

[Lisa4john]

Don't ya just love it when they do that to you? Sarah likes to hide under the substrate too.

[kueluck]

Yes & no. Yes it's cute, but no because I thought I had lost Zena........just don't want to think about that. But at least now I know what to look for.
Don't ya just love it when they do that to you? Sarah likes to hide under the substrate too.

[kueluck]

Signs of brumation. Zena has refused to eat on the last two feedings, this she has never done before. She stays on the cool side of the tank (70F), and seems to be sleeping more than usual. When I take her out and bring her to the couch she acts like her normal self, checking out me and TJ, and enjoying her neck and chin rubs, but when in the cage it's back to the cool side and under the cork bark. Since this is her first winter in captivity is her internal clock telling her to brumate? Her physical appearance looks good, clear eyes, clear vent, flickering tongue, no hard or soft bulges through the body. I've seen her drink, and she has pooped since her last meal so just looking for some input on her behavior.

[Selkielass]

Sounds normal to me.
Abby, at one point last winter got grumpy about being handled- she would tolerate it, but shake her tail in annoyance.
She came around to eating again when the march rains arrived.

[Lisa4john]

Exactly, mine did that too. Freaked me right out, but after I knew where they were and what to look for I was better off. I'm glad I'm not the only one that goes thru that. ;)


Yes & no. Yes it's cute, but no because I thought I had lost Zena........just don't want to think about that. But at least now I know what to look for.

[kueluck]

Well Zena doesn't seem irritated about being handled, but she is moving slow, sleeps really hard, and is not eating. She LOVES worms, but refused them today. Any ideas how long this will last? Just haven't gone through this part yet and trying not to freak out about it.

[kueluck]

According to several people, including the rescue place I got Zena from say she was showing classic signs of going into brumation. So I figure I have nothing to worry about, her last meal was 11-29 and since then she had pooped. She continued to drink, moved about slowing seeking out the cooler places in the cage. Yesterday I came home and found her dead laying across the cork bark on the cool side. Just laid across it like she was sleeping.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Sorry to hear this gail. Zena was a fine looking snake and i know she will be missed. Im so sorry for your loss. It may have been natural causes, she may have been pretty old since she was a wild caught adult when you got her. (R.I.P Zena)

[kueluck]

That's what TJ said, but I think he was trying to make me feel better.

[Invisible Snake]

I'm so sorry for your loss :( Zena was a beautiful girl

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Sorry for your loss.Such a shame:(

[mikem]

Gail, sorry for the loss of Zena. She will continue to live on through the memories created. Rest in peace.

[Selkielass]

Sorry you lost her. Take some comfort that she didn't show any signs of distress, and died in comfort.
I like to think old reptiles sometimes just wind down for winter... and keep on winding down. Not a bad way to go compared to predation and disease.

R. I. P. Zena

[guidofatherof5]

Sorry for your loss. R.I.P. Zena.

[kueluck]

Thanks guys. She was and will always be my fav. Maybe that's why she was so sweet, she was just an ol' southern lady.

[Foxrun402]

=( I'm sorry to hear this. She was a beauty! RIP Zena...
http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o774/foxrun402/Lost%20but%20not%20forgotten/ec0099p1.jpg

[Lisa4john]

:'( Sorry for your loss, she was loved, and I'm sure she knew it.

[ProXimuS]

So sorry to hear this:( She was a beautiful girl.

[kueluck]

I think I may have to cut back on Mona's feeding. All three are feed every 3rd day, one day pinkies, then worms, then fish. She's starting to look like a little black kielbasa, and she's only 4.5 months old. :eek:


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[guidofatherof5]

I think she looks good for that age. Any chance for a photo with some other item in so we can see some comparison size?

Are you aware of the small kink near the tail tip? Not anything to worry about just make sure sheds are complete.

[ConcinusMan]

It does look like it probably wouldn't hurt to cut back on the food just a bit.

[kueluck]

Here's some more pics of Mona for size comparison, and no Steve, I didn't notice the kink, but pending angel it may not be noticeable.

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[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for the photos. Maybe cut down the quantity of food not the frequency.

[Invisible Snake]

Hey Steve where exactly is the kink?

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Right behind the tip.

[ConcinusMan]

Doesn't look like it would cause any problems and even if it did, would the loss of that portion of the tail even be noticeable? Not if you didn't notice it was there in the first place.

[kueluck]

I saw this on Sadie's lip when taking pictures today. I was able to open her mouth and it's not red or inflamed at this point, so do I just watch it closely or make my vet appointment now.
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[guidofatherof5]

Looks like some minor swelling. If you treat it with some diluted Hibiclens it should be fine. Treat it daily for a few days. I don't think a Vet. visit is called for but that has to be your call.

Hibiclens® and Hibistat® (http://www.hibiclens.com/)

[kueluck]

Steve,
I picked up the Hibiclens 4.0%, what ratio do I need to mix w/water? Also picked up the Betaide 10% if I need that also. Steve thanks so much for your help.

[ConcinusMan]

I just mix a little in until the water looks pink. You can use a saturated q-tip to roll it up under the "lip". The nice thing about this stuff is that it isn't as toxic as betadine, and the antimicrobial effect lasts for 6-8 hours. Using it twice a day should be plenty. After a meal is a good idea.

[kueluck]

Thanks for the info, GREAT way to spend New Years Eve tending to a snake. At least I don't have worry about drunk drivers. :D

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for the info, GREAT way to spend New Years Eve tending to a snake. At least I don't have worry about drunk drivers. :D

Richard has a lot more experience with Hibiclens then I do. If he says twice a day I would do that.;)
It's really good stuff.

[kueluck]

So can I mix a cup of this stuff up & use it till she's all better, or do I need to mix a fresh dose each time.
I just mix a little in until the water looks pink. You can use a saturated q-tip to roll it up under the "lip". The nice thing about this stuff is that it isn't as toxic as betadine, and the antimicrobial effect lasts for 6-8 hours. Using it twice a day should be plenty. After a meal is a good idea.

[guidofatherof5]

I would say mix new each day. It tends to separate after a day. I use a very small amount(a few drops) in a condiment cup. I grab a few extra cups every time I hit a restaurant. They come in very handy. My Sam's Club sells them but I don't need 10,000.:D

[kueluck]

sweet......guess I'll have to wash out the shoot glass. :p

[kueluck]

Time to hit the sack.......................ya'll have a safe evening.

[ConcinusMan]

sweet......guess I'll have to wash out the shoot glass. :p

Yeah, wash it out. Sounds like you've been using it lately. :p

[kueluck]

I have Sadie in a separate tank, how long should I keep her there. And she is NOT happy about being in a 10 gallon tank either.

[kueluck]

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just a few current pics of the girls

[ConcinusMan]

I have Sadie in a separate tank, how long should I keep her there. And she is NOT happy about being in a 10 gallon tank either.

I'll teach her to be happy. I'll teach her grandmother to suck eggs! (sorry, couldn't resist using the Ren & Stimpy reference)

[kueluck]

alrighty then.......with that said..........how long should I keep her separated from the others.
I'll teach her to be happy. I'll teach her grandmother to suck eggs! (sorry, couldn't resist using the Ren & Stimpy reference)

[kueluck]

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In sequence over the past 4 days. I THINK it's looking better, been treating with the Hibiclens twice a day, 6 am then 6 pm. Is she safe to move back in with Mona? I hate I can't put this in urgent care but the system won't let me start a new thread grrrrrrr.

[guidofatherof5]

I'd say it looks better. I wouldn't rush putting her back with Mona. Give it another week.

Could you explain how you can't start a new thread? Are you getting any messages when you try? Is the "New Thread" tab available?
Have you contacted Boots (Jason) about the issue?

[kueluck]

Steve,
Posting new threads: I sent a message to the “contact us” link. I can get to the “post new thread”, fill in title, add pics, type in the body of thread, but the right side of the screen goes to infinity and beyond. When I scroll over to the end of the right side it's black w/smiley icons only, no “post quick reply” or any buttons on the bottom right side.

[kueluck]

Also, it's very sad watching Sadie look at her big tank from across the room, and Mona has been super active since Sadie moved out. Either Mona is celebrating have the place to herself, or is looking for Sadie, not sure which one it is. And 11 days away from Jewels moving into the condo, it's been a long 60 days.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Im having the same problem on new threads and even if i reply to a thread and hit go advance to add pics the submit reply icon is gone.

steve,
posting new threads: I sent a message to the “contact us” link. I can get to the “post new thread”, fill in title, add pics, type in the body of thread, but the right side of the screen goes to infinity and beyond. When i scroll over to the end of the right side it's black w/smiley icons only, no “post quick reply” or any buttons on the bottom right side.

[guidofatherof5]

I would send a PM to Boots directly. Could have something to do with the broken "Auto-resize" function.
View Profile: Boots - Garter Snake Forum (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/boots.html)

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I sent boots a pm on 12/28 and now im just waiting on him to get back to me.
i would send a pm to boots directly. could have something to do with the broken "auto-resize" function.
view profile: Boots - garter snake forum (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/boots.html)

[kueluck]

Well I went through the steps of posting from my other laptop and it works just fine. Therefore it must be the laptop, or user :o not the web-site. So where is this "auto-resize" function?
I would send a PM to Boots directly. Could have something to do with the broken "Auto-resize" function.
View Profile: Boots - Garter Snake Forum (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/boots.html)

[kueluck]

So back to Sadie, do I need to keep up the treatment twice a day for the next 7 days also, or just once a day.

[guidofatherof5]

From the looks of it I would say once a day from now on would be fine.

[ConcinusMan]

Wait, we were talking about Sadie? :p

Does their seem to be any improvement at all? If it's even working, you should see swelling go down by 7 days of treatment. I would do it twice a day to start out. If you're seeing improvement, just keep it up for another week or two even if it looks healed. These things have a tendency to come right back if you stop to early.

[kueluck]

See post #379, and yes it's looking better.
Wait, we were talking about Sadie? :p

Does their seem to be any improvement at all? If it's even working, you should see swelling go down by 7 days of treatment. I would do it twice a day to start out. If you're seeing improvement, just keep it up for another week or two even if it looks healed. These things have a tendency to come right back if you stop to early.

[ConcinusMan]

Good. But I would continue. At least once a day here on out until you've been doing it 7-10 days.

Watch that first couple of days after stopping. Make sure it isn't swelling up again. If it does, you know what to do.

It does look like a huge improvement for just a few days. But every time I've seen that and stopped, it turned out to be too early and just swelled right back up again.

[kueluck]

Richard, thanks. I'll continue with the swabbing w/Hibiclens diluted. I'll just be happy when she can get back into the mondo-condo with Mona, and so will she.

[kueluck]

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Tag......I'm it. Jewels got me when feeding fish today.

[guidofatherof5]

Nothing says love like the bite of a garter.:D

[kueluck]

Well then I just may want to be un-loved.

[guidofatherof5]

Any itching or swelling ?

[kueluck]

It stopped itchin' about 10 min ago, but I washed it off with 91% rubbing alcohol right after she decided to let go. Not much swelling, just little red.

[kueluck]

On another note......Sadie it doing great and much happier to back in the big tank. But then she did try to bite Mona at dinner time. I wonder if the fish just sent them into a feeding frenzy cause they don't act like this with worms or pinkies.

[guidofatherof5]

Interesting. Glad you didn't have too severe a reaction. Not sure severe was the right word.:D

[kueluck]

This morning it looks like a few little scratches, no redness or itching. Maybe I'm immune to the toxins because I'm kissing their little bodies all the time.

[ConcinusMan]

Simply rinsing the garter saliva out of the wound prevents/stops a reaction in most cases. I don't really get a reaction anyway unless the garter "chews" and gets a significant amount of saliva into the broken skin and then I fail to wash the wound right away. Even then, it's just itchy and red. That seems to stop quickly after washing.

[kueluck]

Day 59, I couldn't hold out for day 60, plus it was a weekend and perfect for introductions. Sadie now has a new BFF, I think she really missed Zena, but looks like Jewels is taking her place, in a good way.

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[ProXimuS]

How sweet:) I'm glad they're getting along.

[kueluck]

I moved a few things around in their condo yesterday, and the big cork bark log was vertical. I laid it down horizontal, and it has 5 different openings to it which gives good entry/exit options. In the morning I usually find Mona under the plants in the hammock, Sadie under the cork bark where the UTH is, and Jewels under the cork bark on the cool side. Well this morning they were all in the “log” together. I wish I could have gotten a clear shot of this. It would have the the BEST PIC EVER!!

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[guidofatherof5]

Nice in any event. Thanks for the update Gail.

[ConcinusMan]

Newsflash: Snakes LOVE tubes. :D

[kueluck]

<~~ remember, new to snake keeping :p
Newsflash: Snakes LOVE tubes. :D

[ConcinusMan]

Yup just lay a tube in their tank and all the snakes will find a way to cram themselves in there even if it seems like they shouldn't all fit. They'll find a way to fit.

[Greg'sGarters]

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When my eastern bit me. She tagged me with the posterior teeth. I just washed it off with soap and water. It itched for about 2 days with a little swelling. The swelling went away with for good with some ice.

[kueluck]

8076 Mona hanging out on the log.

8077 Jewels doing her Gene Simmons impersonation.

(Sadie tucked deep into the log, not available at this time)

[guidofatherof5]

Looking good.

[Greg'sGarters]

Beautiful!

[Steveo]

Yup just lay a tube in their tank and all the snakes will find a way to cram themselves in there even if it seems like they shouldn't all fit. They'll find a way to fit.

Yeah, the only way I can get my king to go back into her tub after a meal is to point her head at the end of a paper towel tube. Sometimes she wedges herself inside and I have to prod her with a finger to get her to come out.

[kueluck]

I learned that if the end of the tail is showing, tweek it just a little. They'll shoot out like rocket!! Then turn around and give ya the stink eye. :D
Yeah, the only way I can get my king to go back into her tub after a meal is to point her head at the end of a paper towel tube. Sometimes she wedges herself inside and I have to prod her with a finger to get her to come out.

[kueluck]

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Since I've changed the girls substrate over to the aspen pellets, which they or I do not like, Jewels now sleeps in the hammock with Mona. I switched over because I found a piece of the sani-chips stuck in Sadies mouth were her issue was early and I don't want this to flare up again. They just love to dig and burrow in their bedding. So until they are fully grown the sani-chips are on hold. I might just go back to the carefresh and give that a try next time I do a full cleaning on the cage. It's so hard to find the uriates and poop with the aspen pellets since it's so dark in color, but it sure does smell good.

[kueluck]

8223This is the look Mona gave me after she had a bath. Why a bath?? Well during the worm feeding yesterday I was watching Jewels come on over to the bowl so I could give her the worm w/tongs and Mona came flying outta the log trying to grab a worm, fell into the bowl and was covered in worm slim. Since I didn't want her all chewed up from Jewels and Sadie a bath was in order.

[guidofatherof5]

Looking good.

[snake man]

Really like melinistic.

[kueluck]

She is really starting to grow up and not as shy as she was. She was always the last one to show her face when I would open the door, but now she's right there w/Jewels & Sadie climbing on my arm and headed for my face. Don't know why, but the glasses are the first place Sadie & Mona head for, Jewels the neck. Then she wraps around my neck like a tie and just hangs out there. These 3 are the BEST!!

[kueluck]

Just a few current pics of the girls. Sadie & Mona, the babies from last year are turning into some beautiful ladies. All three of them are perfect, and I couldn't be happier. My neighbor and friend Betty asked me if was going to get any more this year. She tends to all my critters when we are out of town and she LOVES it. She really likes the Thamnophis sirtalis similis, but I'm happy with my 3. I told her that SHE should add these to her household & I would help her in any way I can.
8246 Jewels & Mona hangin' out in the log
8247 Sadie hangin' by the watering hole.

I have NEVER had to clean the water dish because they use their water dish as a toilet. I have never seen them soak in it either. I've put them in the tub for a chance to stretch their scales and to swim and they act like they are on fire. All three of them seem to hate being wet, that is unless they are in a warm moist hide, this they seem to love.

[ProXimuS]

Such pretty girls :)

[Mommy2many]

Where did you get the hammock?

[kueluck]

At Petco, you can get them at just about any pet store. It's two corner ones hooked together.
Where did you get the hammock?

[kueluck]

8251 I should have kept my mouth shut. Came home & found Sadie swimmin' round the dish. I was going to video tape this but she stopped and popped her head up outta the water.
8252 Jewels just lovin' the carefresh tunnels that she makes.

[Mommy2many]

Snakies love tunnels...

[kueluck]

And this is why you should wash your hands after handling your pet frogs.
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Jewels thought I was lunch. :p

[kueluck]

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Sadie getting in touch with her wild side hangin' out in the live plants. I'm happy that she is not getting real red, I love the brown/tan tones she has. These 3 girls are such a pleasure to have around. Now all three of them come to the door when I open it and start to climb onto my arm, even Mona, who is no longer the shy one.

[Invisible Snake]

Nice pic Gail!

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice.

[kueluck]

These little ladies just crack me up. I've got a bunch of cork bark now, get new pieces with each show and just clean em' up and swap them around every so often
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[BLUESIRTALIS]

Great pic Gail! It's funny how they all go to the same spots.

[kueluck]

Hangin' out with Jewel's. She seems very content to just wrap around my neck while cleaning the house or watching TV. She's such a good friend to have around, but so is the rest of the gang.
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[Selkielass]

Awww!
Try loosely banding your hair in a low ponytail. My snakes feel more secure when they can thread themselves through my hair or a piece of clothing like a scarf.

[kueluck]

I think I'll stick with the neck wrap, just in case she decides to do her business. Much easier to just change clothes and quick washing than having to wash hair.

[kueluck]

Jewels hanging out in the moist moss dish. My girls prefer to use an open dish w/moist moss than one of the closed in ones. Hey, what ever works for them.

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It's been almost one year since I became a keeper of the Thamnophis, but it seems like they have always been a part of my life. I love these critters.

[Selkielass]

Awww, such a dear little face!
I think I started using the closed moist hides in the winter, to trap in the humidity. An open moss dish dries out pretty fast in my house.
Yours is pretty- I may try offering them open 'bogs' this summer.

[kueluck]

I had to go bigger on the moss dish, got the biggest dish I could find. I just mist this heavily every other day to keep it moist but not soggy.

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[chris-uk]

I use either ice-cream tubs, or spreadable butter tubs for my moss hides. A couple of these have been coated with grout and stone-effect paint to make them look less like litter. I found that the times I used open moss bowls it ended up scattered around the viv.

[kueluck]

I find little pieces here and there, but nothing major.
I use either ice-cream tubs, or spreadable butter tubs for my moss hides. A couple of these have been coated with grout and stone-effect paint to make them look less like litter. I found that the times I used open moss bowls it ended up scattered around the viv.

[kueluck]

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Since it's warmed up here in NC, I decided to get the girls a pool, a.k.a. large water dish. Jewels really seems to enjoy it, seen her completely submerged in it but still not sure if Mona & Sadie appreciate it. Had to take the moist hide out since the pool takes up so much room. Might just try to rearrange their home this weekend.

[guidofatherof5]

Nice corner bathtub/toilet/swimming pool.:D

[kueluck]

Jewels is the only one who has ever used the water dish as a toilet, but now I'm sure they'll have a poop-a-thon since I've mentioned it.

[kueluck]

8938 From this..........
8939 to this in 8 months.

Mona is so much bigger in girth and in length compared to Sadie. Just how old are they to reach their adult size? Mona, who started out so shy and timid is the first one on me when I open the door. She goes right for the hand and up the arm. She loves to be held and have her underside stroked. She's turned out to be a real sweetheart, which at this point, all 3 of the girls are sweeties, no biting unless I smell like food.

8940 All 3 girls.

[kueluck]

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Put the girls outside for some sunshine and fresh air today.

[guidofatherof5]

Looks good.

[ProXimuS]

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Put the girls outside for some sunshine and fresh air today. Hey, that thing's cool!! Where did you get it?

[ConcinusMan]

I have something very similar but it doesn't zip closed and it stands upright. Mine is a dirty clothes hamper.

I bet this would work for snakes but you gotta be careful and check for holes/rips before each use.

http://www.organizeit.com/images/hires/hr_poplaundry.jpg

[kueluck]

LiveMonarch.com Soft Cage Castle (http://www.livemonarch.com/castle.htm) This is the item I use. During the summer I'll put a large palm in it so I can put my treefrogs outside for fresh air and some night time moth chasing.

[ProXimuS]

Very cool, thanks :)

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, really cool. I do believe a jumbo tall is on my shopping list. :D

[kueluck]

Richard, when you open the castle take note how this was folded up. For the life of me I can NOT get this back into the original position. If you can, video the procedure.

[chris-uk]

Richard, when you open the castle take note how this was folded up. For the life of me I can NOT get this back into the original position. If you can, video the procedure.

If it's like the popup ballpit that we've got for Joseph (at the moment.. When he outgrows it I plan to re-purpose it as an outdoor snake pit by adding some netting over the top) folding these things back down is a case of holding opposite corners and twisting in "a certain way". It's the "certain way" that is tricky, I managed the ballpit once, since then it's been left opened.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah I've had things that were similar and there's only one right way to do it. Only two correct places to grasp it and you have to twist it just right too. Any slight deviation whatsoever and it fails. And wouldn't you know it, they only demonstrate collapsing the smallest one and he even has a bit of trouble with it. :rolleyes:

[kueluck]

The square one is easy to fold, but this tall rectangle one............good luck with that. I just fold it flat and put it behind the door when not in use, but would love to know how to get it back to it's original position.

[kueluck]

9088 Just can't resist a cute shot.

[ConcinusMan]

Nor can I. In a few minutes check out the other pets thread.

[kueluck]

Today Mona is 1 year old. She started out as a very shy little girl and is growing into a VERY social young lady. She's always the first one at the door climbing up my arm and doesn't turn away from strangers. I used her in a children church reptile/amphibian class and everyone loved her, even some of the parents popped their heads in when it came time to feed her. She's up to 115 grams & approx 28 inch. She's a keeper!!
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[guidofatherof5]

Happy Birthday Mona. Keep up the good work.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Congrats Gail! Mona looks great!
Today Mona is 1 year old. She started out as a very shy little girl and is growing into a VERY social young lady. She's always the first one at the door climbing up my arm and doesn't turn away from strangers. I used her in a children church reptile/amphibian class and everyone loved her, even some of the parents popped their heads in when it came time to feed her. She's up to 115 grams & approx 28 inch. She's a keeper!!
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[kueluck]

I wonder if Jewels could pull this off in a star shaped dish??
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[in.service22]

9088 Just can't resist a cute shot.
if the log is a rockin', dont come a knockin'. lol jk thought it was a super cute pic.

[kueluck]

First time w/live guppies. I tried having the dish filled, but they were having a heck of a time so I removed most of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXDJme-uJJs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUqUJkbpNmaCbSm4SoRUcSOA

[guidofatherof5]

"Come on mom. How about some bigger treats"

[rickymar81]

I agree with steve:). But you have great looking snakes...

[ConcinusMan]

"Come on mom. How about some bigger treats"

Size doesn't matter. MORE does. When it's "this good" more is never enough. At least that's what I hear from females. They probably lie though LoL.

[kueluck]

I did this more for recreation than food. After I gave them the guppies, I worried about parasites, what if bones poke thru the intestines blah blah blah. I'm one of those over-protective snake keepers. After sheds I check out their entire body w/a lighted magnifying glass just to make sure every piece has come off.

[guidofatherof5]

Once those little guppies hit the stomach soup they were gone. No need to worry about any bones with those.:D

[ConcinusMan]

I did this more for recreation than food. After I gave them the guppies, I worried about parasites, what if bones poke thru the intestines blah blah blah. I'm one of those over-protective snake keepers. After sheds I check out their entire body w/a lighted magnifying glass just to make sure every piece has come off.

Just give them a little panacur once a year or so and they'll be fine. By far the most common worms they get from fish are rather benign anyway and only cause a problem for immune compromised snakes bearing a heavy load of them. Bones of fish that small are more like stiff hairs and won't poke.

[EasternGirl]

Hi Gail! It looks like you got some new snakes since I have been MIA because of school. Lovely snakes...they are all looking great!

[kueluck]

Nope, no new additions. I've got 3 and that's my personal limit and I'm stickin' to it. I did get Jewels back in Nov 2011, that was after Zena passed.
Hi Gail! It looks like you got some new snakes since I have been MIA because of school. Lovely snakes...they are all looking great!

[ConcinusMan]

Nope, no new additions. I've got 3 and that's my personal limit and I'm stickin' to it.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/06/02/science/03sarc-600.jpg

[jwolfe152]

what part of the brain is that, i think mine is messed up too. i still want more of these wonderful snakes. i wonder if the doctor can prescribe something for it?

[ConcinusMan]

yeah, take two garters home and call me in the morning lol

[kueluck]

Today my little Sadie turns 1 year old. She has gone from 1 gr to 75 gr, and is a whopping 24 inch long. She's a sweeting :D
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[guidofatherof5]

Sadie is looking good and healthy. Happy Birthday Sadie.

[kueluck]

I'm so thankful to have 3 healthy girls. I wish I could take all the credit, but this forum has helped TONS, and getting Mona & Sadie from a great breeder (Scott Felzer) plays a big part in this also.
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[jwolfe152]

my god they are big girls i hope the one i just scooped gets that big. i like big snakes like that and juvenile pythons once they get to big they get ugly

[kueluck]

They really aren't that big. Sadie, the smallest is 24 inch and 75 grams. The angle just makes them look big.
my god they are big girls i hope the one i just scooped gets that big. i like big snakes like that and juvenile pythons once they get to big they get ugly

[chris-uk]

They really aren't that big. Sadie, the smallest is 24 inch and 75 grams. The angle just makes them look big.

But how big is Mona (the melanistic Eastern)? She's got to be double the weight of Sadie, unless you have slim arms. That photograph of snakes held in an extended arm can really distort the true size though.

[guidofatherof5]

I'm so thankful to have 3 healthy girls. I wish I could take all the credit, but this forum has helped TONS, and getting Mona & Sadie from a great breeder (Scott Felzer) plays a big part in this also.
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Nice handful of Thamnophis.

[jwolfe152]

i just meant the girth of them, even up by your hand, they look big to me, but, i like that size snake

[kueluck]

95359536 I guess they are a bit thick in the middle. I think I'll start putting them in the tub each night for a few laps. Maybe that'll help slim 'em down some.

[guidofatherof5]

Good solid looking garters to me.

[chris-uk]

95359536 I guess they are a bit thick in the middle. I think I'll start putting them in the tub each night for a few laps. Maybe that'll help slim 'em down some.

Sturdy girls, no need to slim them down is there?

[jwolfe152]

i think they look great they look the same as my WC female i got about a week ago. they look healthy and natural

[jwolfe152]

also i was wondering what kind of substrate is being used in the first pic? can they or do they like to burrow into it? i know the white stuff is care fresh i have not seen any wood substrates that are that small

[kueluck]

Don't you think the scale spread is a bit much for a healthy snake? I know overweight anything life span is shorter, just trying to keep the girls around as long as possible.
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And I use Sani-Chips on one side & Carefresh on the water dish side. Yes they can burrow in the sani-chips, but it can get packed down, I fluff it up now and then. It clumps kinda like cat litter which makes cleaning easy. I need the carefresh on water dish side, othewise they drag the chips into the water and I'm afraid they might suck it up when drinking.
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[jwolfe152]

now im no expert but i dont think that it is that bad but i would like another opinion. none of sime have any scale spread unless im handling and they are breathing heavy or wrapped around a finger, but if that spread is bad/unhealthy i would like to know so i can keep an eye on them to make sure they dont get to big.

[chris-uk]

The scale spread I see in the photos is opened up by the curve, it's far from the worst I've seen in non-gravid snakes. Maybe a couple of lengths of the bath each week would be good, exercise can't be bad for them can it?

[jwolfe152]

i dont think it would be bad unless they are stressed in the water swimming around fast

[kueluck]

Maybe I'll just pick up a snake treadmill (satin sheet) and dangle a pinkie in front of them while they cruise around on it. ;)

[kueluck]

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Jewels left me this today. A perfect 38" shed. Going to send this to a friend who told me that in Japan if you keep a piece of snake skin in your wallet it will bring you good luck financially. I don't believe in luck, but I think it's kinda cool associating a snake part with goodness of any kind.

[kueluck]

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This is HER grapevine and not gonna share. I think I woke her up and startled her in the process. She hissed at me, never heard any of mine do that before.

[guidofatherof5]

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Jewels left me this today. A perfect 38" shed. Going to send this to a friend who told me that in Japan if you keep a piece of snake skin in your wallet it will bring you good luck financially. I don't believe in luck, but I think it's kinda cool associating a snake part with goodness of any kind.


Superstition and Money: The Way We Think About Money (http://moneyning.com/money-beliefs/superstition-and-money-the-way-we-think-about-money/)

The Symbolism of Money

Many superstitions focus on symbols of wealth. In Japan, snakes are a symbol of wealth, which has lead, in turn, to a belief that if you place a piece of snake skin in your wallet, you will become rich. Killing snakes is considered extremely bad luck, however, which means you’ll have to get your snake skin some other way. There are superstitions like this in almost every culture, associating money with different animals or other symbols.

[kueluck]

Steve you are a plethora of information, aren't you. ;) :D
Superstition and Money: The Way We Think About Money (http://moneyning.com/money-beliefs/superstition-and-money-the-way-we-think-about-money/)

The Symbolism of Money

Many superstitions focus on symbols of wealth. In Japan, snakes are a symbol of wealth, which has lead, in turn, to a belief that if you place a piece of snake skin in your wallet, you will become rich. Killing snakes is considered extremely bad luck, however, which means you’ll have to get your snake skin some other way. There are superstitions like this in almost every culture, associating money with different animals or other symbols.

[guidofatherof5]

Steve you are a plethora of information, aren't you. ;) :D

Nope, just retired with a lot of time on my hands.:D

[jwolfe152]

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This is HER grapevine and not gonna share. I think I woke her up and startled her in the process. She hissed at me, never heard any of mine do that before.

thats cool to hear someone else say because i have never heard any of mine hiss either

[ConcinusMan]

Oh, I have. Very large females often produce an audible hiss although not as loud as say, a gopher snake.


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Jewels left me this today. A perfect 38" shed. Going to send this to a friend who told me that in Japan if you keep a piece of snake skin in your wallet it will bring you good luck financially. I don't believe in luck, but I think it's kinda cool associating a snake part with goodness of any kind.

It's most certainly uncool because whether it be luck, fertility, anti-aging, whatever, it usually involves killing the snake. When they say "snake's skin" I'm sure they mean skin that has been cut off the snake scales and all.

Funny you should mention big, perfect skin. I'm not usually impressed with shed skins (they just go in the trash) but a few days ago I ended up with a perfect one from one of my biggest girls. It hadn't even dried yet so I laid it out flat with the stripe perfectly down the middle until it dried. Then I got a perfect one from a 2 month old neonate to go with it. The small one is about the length of just the tail part of the big one. Wow.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7090-concinnusmans-garters-101.html#post250475

[the_edsta]

Speaking of hissing... Do you guys have any larger female garters that make noise when they breathe? I've had a big corn do it... and now this new hefty checkered does it... I'm hoping its not obesity!

(To clarify -- its not a wheesing, just loud puffs of air through her nose.)

[ConcinusMan]

Probably just the glottis opening and closing. sometimes it makes a clicking noise but you might just be hearing air flowing through the nostrils? But if I piss off/scare my bigger girls they do something with their mouth where it opens just a crack on the side and they intentionally expel air quickly through that and produces a hiss.