I found an albino.

[frostyftw]

I saw my first snake of 2012 around a week ago.
I've been telling myself that this is going to be a good year and I am going to find some 'special' snakes.
I might have been right, because shortly after the first snake of the year, I found an albino garter...
Here are some pictures of it..
Sorry if it is hard to see..
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/williamfweller/Albino001.jpg
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/williamfweller/Albino002.jpg
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/williamfweller/Albino003.jpg
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/williamfweller/Albino004.jpg
Has anyone ever found an albino?

[guidofatherof5]

Spots on the back make me think Thamnophis elegans vagrans(Western terrestrial)
possibly. Check out the last photo on this link.
http://www.bentler.us/eastern-washington/animals/reptiles/snakes/western-terrestrial-garter-snake.aspx
Don't think it's T.s.sirtalis(Eastern) of T.ordinoides(Northwestern)

Will be interesting finding out. Yet another albino found in WA.
Very cool there William. Take good care it.

[BUSHSNAKE]

its got to be ordinoides...glossy head scales must be ordinoides

[frostyftw]

Here are some pictures taken with a better camera..
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/williamfweller/Albino005.jpg
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/williamfweller/Albino006.jpg
I hope it can be identified.

[ssssnakeluvr]

where was it found?

[guidofatherof5]

Kent,WA.

[BUSHSNAKE]

wow..nice

[guidofatherof5]

I'll stay with my first impression.
Body structure looks thin though.
I know it's not a radix.:D

Knock out looking snake.;)

[BUSHSNAKE]

could be male...what species of garter snake are commonly found in the area where you found this snake?

[EasternGirl]

Gorgeous! Great find, William. And to answer your question...we have had a few members that have found albinos in the wild. Mostly checkereds from what I remember. I have never seen one like that before. We have a member that just joined that found an albino...Dan is it? What kind of albino is Dan's?

[guidofatherof5]

T+ T.radix

[EasternGirl]

Cool...well I for one know that I would be very excited if I found an albino in the wild around here. Take care of that little one, William! Very awesome looking snake.

[mikem]

It's like winning the lottery! Very lucky find! :cool:

[frostyftw]

Thanks everyone. So any idea what it is?

[katach]

The head looks NW. Can we get a side shot of the head with the second camera? Looks like a t+ to me. Are the eyes completely red?

[EasternGirl]

What does T+ mean?

[EasternGirl]

Oh...and Steve said he thought vagrans and Joe said he thought ordinoides....

[Stefan-A]

Get a close-up of the face. Both sides. Good enough to count labial scales.

[Chondro788]

Awesome find!!! Good luck with him/her, I hope it does really well and you can create some hets!!

[snakehill]

WOW! Gorgeous!!! :eek:

[RicMartin]

Good luck with him. Very nice looking!

[ssssnakeluvr]

T+ T.radix

I am going with ordinoides, small rows of spots along the stripes. there's no radix in Washington

[guidofatherof5]

I am going with ordinoides, small rows of spots along the stripes. there's no radix in Washington

You misunderstood Don.
She was asking about a different snake from a different member in a different thread. ;)
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/welcome-lounge/10275-officially-saying-hello-everyone.html

[ssssnakeluvr]

oooops..... not the first time :o

[EasternGirl]

So are we saying William's albino is an ordinoides then? Or a vagrans? Inquiring minds would like to to know....:D.

[katach]

First impression is NW. Would need some good photos of the head to know for sure.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I'm leaning towards ordinoides.... they have rows of spots along the stripes...not a full checker pattern like vagrans

[EasternGirl]

Just for the record...I have no idea what it is...I'm just waiting to see what other members say. Lol. Btw...what does T+ mean?

[guidofatherof5]

I took this from Jeff B. website. Hope it helps.
Garter Snake Morph (http://gartersnakemorph.com/Snake-Genetics.php)

Albinos generally have a complete lack of melanin, yet still can produce xanthin and erythrin, which is why they will still have varying amounts of reds, yellows, and orange. That is why the combination of erythristic morph types with albino has enormous appeal and designer morph potential. The reptile world often classifies albinism into two main types of albinos: Tyrosinase positive (T+) and Tyrosinase negative (T-). Tyrosinase is an enzyme that is involved in one of the first steps to melanin production, it converts the amino acid tyrosine into the compound dopaquinone. Ablino snakes are often lumped into one of the two groups T+ or T- based on the idea that the T+ albinos have a darker more caramel/purple look, however this is a guess at best and a gross oversimplification of what causes the different albinos in snakes, due to a lack of knowledge and research being done at the biochemical and genetic level of snakes, and/or public knowledge of such studies. Having many different possibilities or mechanisms that can cause albinism is the reason that even though two types of albinos in a species may or may not be genetically compatible, so when 2 albinos from different parentage are crossed might not produce albinos but rather double hets for the two different albino types. For example it is well know that the Iowa albino and Nebraska albino types in the plains garter are not compatible, and recently it was discovered that the Bluegrass albino and Shuett albino in the eastern garter are not compatible.

[EasternGirl]

Thanks Steve...that is very interesting and helpful info on albinos. I am guessing then, that looking at my albinos...that Hermes and Possum are both T- albinos...because they are very pale and look to be lacking in melanin completely...or almost completely. And then, like you said, I can see where Dan's albino..has a darker caramel/yellow color...making it a T+ albino. Would I be correct in that observation?

[BUSHSNAKE]

yes...the eyes are different as well, t+ will be ruby red eyes and t- will have pink eyes....some people think a T+ albino can also be called hypomelanistic

[EasternGirl]

Hmmm...I thought Possum's eyes looked ruby red to me. Do you have any pics of T+ albinos with the ruby red eyes?

[BUSHSNAKE]

here..can you tell the difference:)

[charles parenteau]

Awesome catch very interresting!

[Natrix]

[QUOTE=EasternGirl;207255]Hmmm...I thought Possum's eyes looked ruby red to me. Do you have any pics of T+ albinos with the ruby red eyes?[/QUOTE
When it comes to white specimens of any animal there are three combinations of Albinism:

1) True Albino = Extreme White with pink eyes
2) White / Creamy White with Dark pink/Ruby Red eyes = Dark eyed white
3) White / Creamy White with Black eyes = Black eyed white

[EasternGirl]

Joe...what kind of snakes are those in the pics you posted for me? The first one is a marcianus, yes? But the second? Yes, I see the difference now. I never would have thought the snake in the second pic was an albino. I mean, once you look at the eyes, you know. But at first glance...looking at the coloring on that snake...I would never think albino.

Rod...I did know that there were albinos with black eyes...but I didn't know about the T+ and the T-. I didn't know that there were darker and lighter albinos, and the darker and lighter eyes. That is very interesting. I guess this all has to do with breeding...

[BUSHSNAKE]

both sirtalis sirtalis...first one is Florida strain(T-) and the red one is Schuett strain(T+)

[EasternGirl]

Hmmm...I thought for sure that first one was a checkered. Looks a lot like Hermes...but I see now where the checkering is less defined and limited to the upper dorsal area. Lovely little snakes.

[Dan72]

Awesome looking snake! Love it. I am (fingers crossed, knock wood) having great luck with mine so far. Eating well, just had FIRST SHED!! Good luck with yours. We love our Butterscotch.

[ConcinusMan]

The snake is definitely a T positive. If it's a native from Kent, WA there's only one of three snakes it could be. T. ordinoides, T. sirtalis pickeringi or T. elegans vagrans. Scale counts should clear it up.

A T positive albino ordinoides has never been found (they've all been T negative) so it's not very likely a northwestern. An albino (of any type) T. sirtalis (concinnus or pickeringi) has never been confirmed in the northwest so it's also not likely a Puget sound garter. If it was, it would be the first albino ever found. However, numerous T positive wandering garters have been found so that's where I would put my money. It's probably a wandering. Again, scale counts and head scale shapes would tell you which of the three it is. They are all three different on their scaling but I'm betting on T. elegans vagrans since many T positive ones have been found.

I can't really tell from those pictures. The only head shots are too blurry and the ones that aren't blurry, cut off the head. If it's a T. ordinoides, you have the first and only T positive one ever found, that I'm aware of.

No matter what it is, it's spectacular and finding it goes way beyond lucky. You'd have better luck hitting a 2 inch target with a snub nose .38 from a mile away. Finding a single needle in an entire field full of haystacks perhaps? Well, you get the point. The odds aren't good at all.

[ConcinusMan]

T positive albino wandering garter: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkidDxT2soEEK6kPOTEt9fLRtMFVLBb y-7YdwBtlGLjAghaxrp9GHpstQErQ

[katach]

What a lovely little fella!!

[ssssnakeluvr]

Hey Richard.... I saw years ago on the original thamnophis.com a pic of an albino concinnus.... it was a long time ago and no one knows what happened to it. was a cool looking snake. as far as this one...I am leaning towards ordinoides due to the pattern...haven't seen patterns like that on wanderings...

[ConcinusMan]

Well, I'm looking at the rows of dots on the snake in question and keep thinking "wandering" but that small head, not offset from the body... that's a northwestern trait. Hard to tell at this point. If someone would just do the scale count we could confirm or rule out northwestern.

If that's a T positive northwestern, that's one of a kind. Never before found that I'm aware of.

[ssssnakeluvr]

yea...just waiting.... =) would be cool to be a t+ albino.... these types of things have to show up every now and then =) just wish something like that would pop up where I am!!! :cool:

[ConcinusMan]

Hey Richard.... I saw years ago on the original thamnophis.com a pic of an albino concinnus.... it was a long time ago and no one knows what happened to it.

Yeah, I know. You told me that before but I'm extremely skeptical. I still don't believe that albino concinnus' have ever been found in the wild, and you're probably already aware of the mislabeling problem in the hobby. I've seen plenty of snakes called concinnus' that were anything but. I've talked to Dr. Robert Mason (professor of zoology, OSU) about that and there are no records of any ever being found for concinnus or pickeringi. Plenty of records for T negative northwesterns and T. e. vagrans though, both confirmed and recorded and well, we have plenty of pics of those available.


haven't seen patterns like that on wanderings...

They're a bit different here in WA compared to UT snakes. The pattern wouldn't be all that unusual for a WA wandering. Some have nothing more than rows of tiny specks, or no rows of spots at all. The pattern isn't a very compelling argument for me, but that small head...

We need scale counts! We need clear, closeups of the head showing scale patterning and detail.

[kibakiba]

Wanderings look a lot like northwesterns here. I had one that was tan with little black spots, the way NWs look.

[Invisible Snake]

Hey which albinos are sensitive to light.. t+ or t- or both?

[ssssnakeluvr]

hopefully we can get some scale counts. wanderings do have a good variation in patterns.... I did see the pic of the albino concinnus.... but the website was blocked so I couldn't copy the pic and save it. definitely looked like a concinnus to me...unfortunately since this is now a forum and the old site and all info is forever lost... guess I won't be able to find it again...

[guidofatherof5]

hopefully we can get some scale counts. wanderings do have a good variation in patterns.... I did see the pic of the albino concinnus.... but the website was blocked so I couldn't copy the pic and save it. definitely looked like a concinnus to me...unfortunately since this is now a forum and the old site and all info is forever lost... guess I won't be able to find it again...


If you find it again you can do a "screen print" and crop the wanted image. Just a thought.

[katach]

Hey William, we want pics and an update please. :D

[EasternGirl]

Aren't all albinos sensitive to light? I would think all of them would be. But I would guess that the less melanin they have to protect their skin, the more sensitive they would be...so I would guess that the T- albinos would be more sensitive than the T+. Right?

[guidofatherof5]

Aren't all albinos sensitive to light? I would think all of them would be. But I would guess that the less melanin they have to protect their skin, the more sensitive they would be...so I would guess that the T- albinos would be more sensitive than the T+. Right?

I believe that is true.

[ConcinusMan]

Aren't all albinos sensitive to light? I would think all of them would be. But I would guess that the less melanin they have to protect their skin, the more sensitive they would be...so I would guess that the T- albinos would be more sensitive than the T+. Right?

I've noticed that T + and T - albinos I've kept avoid bright light. Some more than others and as to the reason, I can only speculate. Regardless of the individual preferences of the snakes themselves, exposure to UV without the melanin can eventually cause blindness and/or cancer so an albino in the wild wouldn't be expected to live to a ripe old age I would imagine.

I wouldn't say that a T- would be more sensitive than a T +. Some albinos absolutely hate the bright light,(even if there's no UV) others just don't spend a lot of time basking in it. I would say that UV exposure would be dangerous to both types. Perhaps not in the short term, but in the long term, it is radiation after all and all the dangers that come with radiation would apply.

BTW, the "T" stands for tyrosinase, an enzyme needed for the production of melanin. In T- albinos, the gene responsible fails to function properly and so they cannot produce tyrosinase at all, and therefore cannot produce melanin. With T+ albinos a different gene is mutated. They can produce tyrosinase like a normal snake, which gives them the appearance of having at least some pigment, but for some other reason, still cannot produce the end product; melanin.

For the rest of you guys with the high degree of education on the matter, when I say mutated "gene" I really mean a matching pair of mutated alleles.;)

[brain]

There are no T. marcianus in Washington State. Only the following:
· Thamnophis elegans, Western Terrestrial
· Thamnophis ordinoides, Northwestern
· Thamnophis sirtalis, common garter snake
· T. s. concinnus, Red-spotted
· T. s. fitchi, Valley
· T. s. pickeringi, Puget Sound
I agree with Richard and Steve looks like T. ordinoides, we call them “Wonderer’s” here on the island. I have not heard of an albino but great find.

[Steveo]

I've noticed that T + and T - albinos I've kept avoid bright light. Some more than others and as to the reason, I can only speculate. Regardless of the individual preferences of the snakes themselves, exposure to UV without the melanin can eventually cause blindness and/or cancer so an albino in the wild wouldn't be expected to live to a ripe old age I would imagine.


On the behavioral side, a snake doesn't know that it's albino or what being an albino means. Hiding from bright lights (more than non-albinos) is either a genetically-driven behavior that evolved over time in carriers of the albino gene, or a physical response to stimulus (light) that is only elicited in snakes that lack dark pigments.

And on the matter of T+/T-, it's very similar to the difference between diabetes types 1 and 2 - one type can produce insulin but won't respond to it properly, whereas the other cannot produce insulin in sufficient quantities (or at all).

[i_heart_sneakie_snakes]

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[i_heart_sneakie_snakes]

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Hey Richard.... I saw years ago on the original thamnophis.com a pic of an albino concinnus.... it was a long time ago and no one knows what happened to it. was a cool looking snake. as far as this one...I am leaning towards ordinoides due to the pattern...haven't seen patterns like that on wanderings...

That is the same pattern my little wandering girl has. She is not albino though, just regular :)

[kibakiba]

I still say the head looks too weird to be a northwestern garter snake. I've had a lot of babies, and I've seen a lot of adults. I, personally, think that it's a western terrestrial (thamnophis elegans). They can have the same pattern around here. I had an elegans baby maybe 6 years ago... It looked like that snake without the albinism.

[i_heart_sneakie_snakes]

Here is my girl... 5085 She is on the left :) Pretty cute right??

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful.

[EasternGirl]

Well...I would imagine that the reaction to light for an albino snake would be similar to that of a person who is albino....the snake would hide from the light because he is reacting to the sensitivity of his skin and eyes.

[Jeff B]

I took this from Jeff B. website. Hope it helps.
Garter Snake Morph (http://gartersnakemorph.com/Snake-Genetics.php)

Albinos generally have a complete lack of melanin, yet still can produce xanthin and erythrin, which is why they will still have varying amounts of reds, yellows, and orange. That is why the combination of erythristic morph types with albino has enormous appeal and designer morph potential. The reptile world often classifies albinism into two main types of albinos: Tyrosinase positive (T+) and Tyrosinase negative (T-). Tyrosinase is an enzyme that is involved in one of the first steps to melanin production, it converts the amino acid tyrosine into the compound dopaquinone. Ablino snakes are often lumped into one of the two groups T+ or T- based on the idea that the T+ albinos have a darker more caramel/purple look, however this is a guess at best and a gross oversimplification of what causes the different albinos in snakes, due to a lack of knowledge and research being done at the biochemical and genetic level of snakes, and/or public knowledge of such studies. Having many different possibilities or mechanisms that can cause albinism is the reason that even though two types of albinos in a species may or may not be genetically compatible, so when 2 albinos from different parentage are crossed might not produce albinos but rather double hets for the two different albino types. For example it is well know that the Iowa albino and Nebraska albino types in the plains garter are not compatible, and recently it was discovered that the Bluegrass albino and Shuett albino in the eastern garter are not compatible.

Jeez, looks like I need to review and update my website. I see some spelling errors and run on sentences that do not read well.
Very cool looking snake that was found, and I would agree that it looks T+. What species is it? I would have no idea with the snakes out west since I have not seen them in the wild no even kept them.

[ConcinusMan]

I still say the head looks too weird to be a northwestern garter snake. I've had a lot of babies, and I've seen a lot of adults. I, personally, think that it's a western terrestrial (thamnophis elegans). They can have the same pattern around here. I had an elegans baby maybe 6 years ago... It looked like that snake without the albinism.


Here is my girl... 5085 She is on the left http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif Pretty cute right??

That comes back to what I was saying before. That pattern is typical, or at least, not unusual at all for wanderings in WA, and the color does look like T+ albino wanderings I've seen on the web. They are reported and photographed fairly regularly whereas a T+ albino northwestern has never been reported.

Jeff, there are only two possible conclusions found in Kent, WA. It is either a wandering or it is the first T+ northwestern ever reported (not likely) It's obviously not a Puget, which also is found in Kent, and as far as I know, no albino pugets have ever been reported.

Probably a wandering.


the snake would hide from the light because he is reacting to the sensitivity of his skin and eyes.

Or at least, the eyes. I have to agree. I think the behavior is due to albinism causing sensitivity. I think it just hurts their eyes, or blinds them temporarily. My Amy seemed to see OK in low light. In daylight, he acted as though he was blind and that seemed to frighten him.

[EasternGirl]

Again...the weird thing...and this may be of interest to you Richard...is that my snow, Possum seems to like light...whereas my albino checkered, Hermes, reacts like most albinos....he hides from it and acts as though it bothers his eyes. I am wondering why it doesn't bother Possum. Now, of course...I am not shining UV light in Possum's eyes or taking him out into direct sunlight...but Hermes will hide from most light if it is too bright. Possum seems to like a certain amount of light...he seems to require it in order to be active.

[ConcinusMan]

Possum and two of his siblings didn't seem to be bothered by it when I had them either and they could see very well even in bright light. They still seemed to spend more time being active after lights out, but even wild normals tend to become crepuscular in late summer or very warm weather. Perhaps being bothered or blinded by it just happens with more frequency in albinos, rather than being the rule.

[chris-uk]

Binky (albino checkered) is happy in daylight and after her viv lights have gone off. I don't really see any increase in behaviour after lights off, but being in the living room her viv still gets light from the room lights when we're still in there.
In my experience there's no difference between the times our albino and normal checkereds are active.

[frostyftw]

Sorry everyone for not giving an update.
My home computer is not working at the moment.

The albino has not started eating.
I'm doing everything I can to get it to eat but I haven't had any luck, so far.
Does anyone know any tricks or new foods I can try?
So far, Tilapia, Worms, and Thawed Mice have been used without luck.

[Invisible Snake]

Is it possible the snake is about to shed? You should try live guppies, garter snakes love them.

[guidofatherof5]

Have you tried earthworms. The small pale looking worms found in the topsoil?

[frostyftw]

That's a possibility.
Although, I haven't seen any signs of it like cloudy eyes or temporary fading colors on the snake.

Thanks, I forgot about guppies.
The thing is.. I've never had success with guppies.
One time, I bought some and not one of the snakes that I wanted to eat the guppies ate them.
(I even tried multiple times.)
In fear that they would die if I didn't use them, I was forced to feed them to one of my snakes that would eat the largest variety of the bunch.

They aren't really cheap here, about 2.50$ each here. (If I remember right..)
Which may make it hard to feed it if that is all it ends up wanting.

[frostyftw]

I've tried Nightcrawlers, I'm not sure if that is the same..

[guidofatherof5]

Not the same. Night crawlers are large, these are small and lightly colored. Looks under boards, rocks and leaf litter.

[frostyftw]

Crap, those worms will be hard to obtain.

Wont they be all the same to the snakes, scent and all that..?

[guidofatherof5]

Different scent. Sometimes when night crawlers fail, earthworms succeed. Here's what they look like.
Rosy-tipped worm (Aporrectodea rosea) | OPAL (http://www.opalexplorenature.org/Rosytippedworm)
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/8569-earthworm-credit.html

[guidofatherof5]

Crap, those worms will be hard to obtain.

Wont they be all the same to the snakes, scent and all that..?

You've got to have things in the area to turnover.

[frostyftw]

Thanks for that extra information.

Here's an amazing update. I just got the albino to eat a nightcrawler piece!

[guidofatherof5]

That is great. See if you can get a few more pieces in. Any updated photos?

[guidofatherof5]

You should still try to get some of those worms.

[frostyftw]

My last feeding attempt was yesterday. It might have been ready then, but I might have scared it.

It seems to really like the nightcrawlers. (It ate more pieces..)

Thanks Steve, I will go looking for those different worms soon. It might spark some interest in some of my non eaters.

[frostyftw]

I tried to take a picture of the albino when it ate..

It saw me and got out of there as fast as it could, it is still very shy.

At least I got 1 big nightcrawler in it..

Next time, I will try to be more sneaky. Then maybe I will have a picture..

[guidofatherof5]

It's very good that you have it eating. Nice job.;)

[frostyftw]

Thank you.

[ConcinusMan]

Very glad to hear the snake is still doing well!:D

Now, what's it going to take to bribe you into giving me that snake, or at least doing a breeding loan? I do realize it's probably not old enough, just thought I would start grooming you now.:p

[frostyftw]

Not sure if it is old enough.
Someone has beat you to it, though.. Sorry.
I will eventually be loaning it to someone for breeding.
I guess you can borrow it later on, as well.

[frostyftw]

I need it back sometime later though. :)

[EasternGirl]

William...my albino checkered is very shy and will only eat if I put his food on a little dish and then stick the dish under a hide and leave him under there. I actually have to stick him in the hide with the food. I also have to feed him in the evening since he sleeps during the day and is only active at night. Maybe get some of the worm pieces your albino likes and try that...it always works with Hermes.

Richard...Possum has been coming out more and more since I have been putting light on near his enclosure in the evening...weird! Hermes seems to come out a little bit more too...Chris, you said that Binky seems to like the light. I thought Hermes hated it...but he has been coming out in it a little. Very interesting...these albinos!

[ConcinusMan]

Not sure if it is old enough.
Someone has beat you to it, though.. Sorry.
I will eventually be loaning it to someone for breeding.
I guess you can borrow it later on, as well.

So long as it breeds and eventually has offspring. Dammit Joe!

Just kidding. Actually, I confused this thread with a different one. i want to see a T- northwestern have CB offspring but as usual, there they are, then you never hear from them again.:(

[frostyftw]

Finally got it!

A video of it eating.. :D

Tell me if the link works or not, please..

(Edited to remove link)

[guidofatherof5]

That link isn't working for me. Seems to be ad.

[kibakiba]

Why not just use youtube? I'm not messing around with google.

[frostyftw]

Alright. I have the video.. I'm having a hard time getting it on here.. I'm on a very restricted computer..
(It's not mine, hard to explain.. You can just say it is a friends computer.)
Any ideas on how to get the video on here?

[guidofatherof5]

Come on William. You're killing me here. I want to see this video.

Youtube seem to be your best bet. If it's not too big(?) you could email it to me and I'll post it for you on youtube.
guidofatherof5@cox.net

[frostyftw]

Can't use Youtube. Along with most things on this computer - It is blocked..
Yes, I know it can be undone. I wish to be respectful and not unblock it, sorry.

[frostyftw]

This is a short-time thing though. My home computer is not running at the moment, sadly.

[kibakiba]

Then don't use youtube, you can compress it and send it to Steve if it isn't blocked too. Compressing usually makes it small enough, unless your videos are giant

[frostyftw]

Nah, it's like 5 or 6 MBs.
Hold on, I'm trying to email it.

[frostyftw]

Alright, Steve..
I sent you an email with the video as an attachment. :)

[guidofatherof5]

Big file. Trying to download it now.

[frostyftw]

Alright, thanks.

[guidofatherof5]

William, how long was this video? Minutes? Seconds?

[frostyftw]

Like 10 or 11 seconds.

[frostyftw]

It had to be short, I was lucky to get even that much. It is a really shy snake.

[guidofatherof5]

Not a problem. Heading to the airport to ship some snakes now but will work on it when I return.
Going to try an lighten it up before I post it. Thanks for sending it to me.

[frostyftw]

Okay, thank you.

[EasternGirl]

Looking forward to the video!

[frostyftw]

Yeah, it will be nice when everyone can see it.

[guidofatherof5]

Won't be happening tonight, sorry. Have to work tomorrow morning so I need to get some sleep.
I have it and will work on it when I get home at noon.

[frostyftw]

That's fine. :)

[ConcinusMan]

Why not just use youtube? I'm not messing around with google.

Google video was the first I ever uploaded to and now google owns youtube, BTW.;)

If you can't beat 'em, offer billions and buy them out.:cool:

Looking forward to seeing the vid

[kibakiba]

I know google owns youtube, but I'm not screwing around with google docs or what ever.

[ConcinusMan]

"To itch his own" Chantel.

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2010/06/man-scratching-butt.jpg

[kibakiba]

Yes, I like itching my butt, thanks. Lol

[ConcinusMan]

Tmi

[kibakiba]

Take my posts with a little pinch of sarcasm. That's how I am in real life. Ones with "lol" tend to be more sarcastic than others.

[ConcinusMan]

You and I would get along just fine I think.;)

[Invisible Snake]

Is that love I smell in the air?

[ConcinusMan]

Is that love I smell in the air?

I think perhaps you just need a shower.

[kibakiba]

He's my dad's age. No way. Besides, I have a nice canadian boyfriend. Way off topic though.

[ConcinusMan]

Garter snake people... so easily distracted and thrown off topic. I wouldn't want it any other way. :D

[kibakiba]

Stefan probably would like it happening less often ;)

[ConcinusMan]

Blah, blah..:p

[Stefan-A]

Stefan probably would like it happening less often ;)
95% of all threads deserve to be deleted outright.

[EasternGirl]

You guys crack me up...I enjoy the off topic banter...gives me a little pick-me-up just when I need it! :D

Itch my butt...rofl....

[chris-uk]

95% of all threads deserve to be deleted outright.

Not 95% of the threads, surely you mean 95% of the posts within 95% of threads should be deleted. Most threads have a good, relevant purpose and have long spells where they stay on-topic, before drifting.....

[Stefan-A]

Not 95% of the threads, surely you mean 95% of the posts within 95% of threads should be deleted. Most threads have a good, relevant purpose and have long spells where they stay on-topic, before drifting.....
95% of the threads and 95% of the posts in the remaining 5%.

[guidofatherof5]

The video is cooking on YouTube. Should be done shortly.

[guidofatherof5]

cmoTlIqN9PA

[frostyftw]

Since that post seems blank... (To me, because of this computer)
I am going to guess that the post was the video, it's blocked here so it wont even show up. (At least, for me.)

Thank you Steve for posting it.

[guidofatherof5]

Seems to working fine here. Anyone else having problems with it?

It has 14 views and 3 likes so far. Must be working.

[frostyftw]

Alright, good to know. :)

[EasternGirl]

I can see it...chomp chomp...nom nom nom!

[frostyftw]

I have an update for the albino, not a good one though..
It has gone missing...

I'm very worried since it has been gone for about a week.
Which is an accurate time period estimation since I always look into my aquariums and check up on the snakes, I haven't seen it and though it was hiding and decided not to desturb it. When I finally started looking for it.. It wasn't there... I've looked in all my aquariums without sucess finding it.

Can anyone tell me how to setup a trap for it? I'd perfer to bait it with food and use something it can get into and not get out so my cat doesn't kill it when it comes into sight and so it doesn't get too scared (and possibly not want to come out again.. IF it escapes my cat..)

[guidofatherof5]

That's terrible news. Probably best to leave some things out for it to hide under.
They like to travel along walls so that's where to put the hide items(clothes, piece of paper or cardboard.
Hopes and prayers headed your way.
Keep us posted.

[ConcinusMan]

oh please find it!

[frostyftw]

Still no luck.

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for the update. Fingers crossed on a recovery.

[frostyftw]

I don't think I will be finding it anytime soon. I'm sure it wont be coming out of where ever it is hiding. This has happened once before, one snake got out and went into hiding and was never found. The albino is probably dead by now.

[guidofatherof5]

Let's just hold out some hope that it will be found.

[frostyftw]

Alright. Sounds good.