Another snake ID

[EasternGirl]

Remember when we were all trying to ID Chris's snake Nobby? The parietalis without the red? Well...this is a pic of our new member Mark's son's snake. I think it looks just like Nobby. We are trying to ID it.... Another U.K. Northern Garter...probably Nobby's sibling...lol.

4614

[BUSHSNAKE]

i wanna say sirtalis sirtalis but you know how thats goes Marnie

[EasternGirl]

Yes...I am changing my username to "wouldn'tknowaneasternifitbitmeonthenosegirl". I did think that it looked like some of the pics that I have seen of easterns up north from here. But I thought that about Chris's snake too and that snake looks exactly like Chris's and everyone decided it was a parietalis.

[BUSHSNAKE]

i think sirtalis and paritalis are sold as Northern Garters but without knowing where they are actually from then its just a guessing game

[EasternGirl]

Flippin' northern garters! Next they are going to start selling southern garters over there.

[Natrix]

Need clear pics? ;)

[EasternGirl]

There are more pics on his other thread...last page: http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/10226-what-snake-5.html

[gregmonsta]

Parietalis is my vote.

[Eight]

I found an online reptile shop based in the uk selling WC northern garters lol, and it made me wonder if this is where they are coming from. The site provides no scientific name or even an area of which they were caught.

[Natrix]

I found an online reptile shop based in the uk selling WC northern garters lol, and it made me wonder if this is where they are coming from. The site provides no scientific name or even an area of which they were caught. Is this the AD ?
Northern Garter Snake
(Thamnophis sirtalis) WC Not seen so often in the pet trade nowadays, these make excellent pets. 4629 !!! ;)

[ConcinusMan]

Is this the AD ?
Northern Garter Snake
(Thamnophis sirtalis) WC Not seen so often in the pet trade nowadays, these make excellent pets. 4629 !!! ;)


There is no "the" ad. Those "northern" ads have been going for years and I've seen the label applied to red sided with little or no red, radixes, and obvious easterns.


i think sirtalis and paritalis are sold as northern garters but without knowing where they are actually from then its just a guessing game

bingo!

I'm pretty sure that "northern" is applied because they're coming from Canada. (WC) Obviously Canada has easterns, red sided, and radix.

I'm going to stick to my guns here and say it's T. s. parietalis. (red sided)

[Eight]

Is this the AD ? Northern Garter Snake (Thamnophis sirtalis) WC Not seen so often in the pet trade nowadays, these make excellent pets. 4629 !!! ;)lol it most certainly is.

[EasternGirl]

That pic in the ad looks like Cee Cee...my eastern. I'm telling you...these people are coming over here and stealing all of the easterns from my backyard and selling them as northern garters! :D I just woke up...I better go check and make sure my easterns are still in their enclosures...

[mark cope]

Is this the AD ?
Northern Garter Snake
(Thamnophis sirtalis) WC Not seen so often in the pet trade nowadays, these make excellent pets. 4629 !!! ;)

Thamnophis sirtalis??? so is eastern northern ?

[guidofatherof5]

The word "northern" does not belong with any Thamnophis species. It doesn't exist.

[Natrix]

Mark it is either Eastern or North Western... The shops over here haven't got a clue! They just label everything 'Northern' unless they have a positive ID, Which isn't very often.

[Didymus20X6]

Maybe it's a Yankee garter snake, as opposed to a Confederate one. Usually you can tell by the tiny blue hats, versus the tiny gray ones.

[ssssnakeluvr]

if the snake owner lives in the UK and got the snake there, its an eastern...I don't know if they have northwesterns over there yet.

[chris-uk]

The picture looks identical to our Nobby.
Nobby does have a fee tiny flecks of red between the scales, only to really visible when she's curled in a tight loop with scale spread on the outside edge of the coil.

Nobby is turning out to be a great little snakes, a good eater, active, and likes to be handled. Despvthe doubt about what she is. My guess would be that if the snake in the pic was bought in the UK as a "Northern Garter" the chances are it's come from wherever Nobby did.

[chris-uk]

Mark it is either Eastern or North Western... The shops over here haven't got a clue! They just label everything 'Northern' unless they have a positive ID, Which isn't very often.

There's aren't any Northwestern Garters over here yet. Certainly our Nobby (sold as a Northern) is too large already to be a Northwestern.

[Natrix]

There's aren't any Northwestern Garters over here yet. Certainly our Nobby (sold as a Northern) is too large already to be a Northwestern. Sorry Chris, I was just saying that it is either Eastern or North Western because there is no such thing as a Northern. Should have made it a bit clearer:o

[ConcinusMan]

They're not northwesterns. Those "northern garter" people are getting WC snakes from (mostly eastern) Canada so they are T. s. parietalis', T. s. sirtalis', and occasionally, T. radix. They don't really care what species they are. If they're from Canada, to them, they are "northern" :rolleyes:

The only northwesterns in Canada are in the extreme SW part, like B.C. They aren't going that far to get their snakes since they're shipping out of the east coast.

[EasternGirl]

Well then, like I was saying before...I would go with T.s.parietalis since it looks exactly like Chris's Nobby. Although I would still like to believe they are stealing all the snakes out of my backyard and shipping them over there to be sold...lol...but it doesn't look like any of the easterns around the east coast area. I am on the east coast...the easterns around here tend to look like my easterns...with the checkering and the light tan or green color like Cee Cee...or the brown like Seeley. There are easterns that look like that, but they tend to be located farther north in the U.S.

[d_virginiana]

My first guess was that it was an eastern, but I'm worse than normal at IDing them when they're from up north. Most of the easterns around here are either blue (always finding them in wetlands for some reason...) or red (toward the coast). Easterns from the south seem to have a more bug-eyed look, even in wc adults for some reason. Makes them really obvious :)

Looking at Nobby though, it's probably a parietalis lol They're so alike.